KFC latest

Christina Websell wrote:
"Yowie" wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:
I began to think it was time we gave up and wondered how long it was
fair to keep her without eating properly and with her horrible nose
infection that was not responding to treatment.
She's been very difficult to medicate with the liquid antibiotic,
she's discovered how to disappear behind the woodburner when she's
had it to vomit it and come out in an hour or so with white mucus
dangling from her mouth to say she's got rid of it. She knows I
cannot get her out from behind the woodburner.
However, child vet knows best. He has allowed for this vomiting
by giving her twice the dose for her size.
She ate her small breakfast of chicken, all of it. She ate her
evening meal, slightly bigger, too.
It's tempting to give her more and push her appetite. It's not a
good idea.

At the risk of sounding like a bitch:

*NO* Vet, young or old, experienced or with the absolute latest hot
off the press knowledge can ever know 'what is best' for your pet.
Only the pet and you, their guardian and advocate, can know that.

What is KFC telling you, Tweed? Is this procedure of force feeding
her - which is clearly traumatising her - worth it?

You have misunderstood. I am *not* force feeding her, it's her
liquid meds she's vomiting up.

*Force feeding her the meds.

I have never tried to force feed her
and would not. Yes, handling her for her meds traumatises her because
she is an ex-feral and that's why she always had a long-acting
antibiotic injection before. If that is not working I am prepared to
traumatise her a little to try something that might. Traumatise is a
strong word and probably does not apply to Kitty. It's more that it
makes her angry because she does not want me to poke a pipette full
of antibiotics in her mouth. I doubt if anything would actually
*traumatise* this cat after what she's been through.

Thats good. The way I read it, she sounded quite traumatised by being given
meds. I am not there, I cannot see, I can only go by what I'm reading. if
you say that giveing her her meds this way is not causing any serious
quality of life issues for her, then I a) believe you and b) am glad.

The child vet will be supervised heavily by one of the partners so
nothing will be done that doesn't have approval from a far more
experienced vet, and one that has seen KFC before.

I will give KFC every chance while my vet says it's worth it.

Thats my point, Tweed, its not up to the vet, its up to you. Do *you* think
its worth it? (and only for you to say)

And yes, no risk of perhaps sounding like a bitch, you just did.

Do you really think I would let her suffer against vet advice? If
so, you do not know me.

I want to give her a chance to live out her lifespan, the vet and
myself will decide when the time has come, not a guilt trip from you.

I was not trying to guilt trip you. Nor did I mean to imply its time to
'give up'. I meant that only you (and Kitty) know what is in her best
interest, not a vet. If you think she has plenty of good days left then even
if the vet disagrees, fight with him (or find another one) till she gets
what she gets the necessary treatment. If he thinks she can go on after this
but you don't think there would be quality of life left, then fight with him
so she dies comfortably rather than just 'surviving'. Don't let the vet make
this decision for you. This is what I feared, I am glad to be told I was
wrong on this one.

This post annoyed me so much that I am surprised I've been so polite.

I'm sorry its annoyed you. But it does reassure me that you will not be
letting a vet talk you into or out of a when only you know - in the end -
what best interest of KFC, whatever that best interest is. I would hate to
think of a vet talking you into or out of what is inherently a difficult
decision, and thats sorta what I got out of your post. This may have been a
porr interpreation on my part, but thats what I saw.

If I have to live with the 'bitch' label, then so be it. But I want *you* to
be making the decisions, not being unduly influenced by a vet that doesn't
know KFC like you do.

Yowie
--
"because its more fun to be evil" - Jarppi, _The Dudesons_

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:
"Yowie" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
I began to think it was time we gave up and wondered how long it
was fair to keep her without eating properly and with her horrible
nose infection that was not responding to treatment.
She's been very difficult to medicate with the liquid antibiotic,
she's discovered how to disappear behind the woodburner when she's
had it to vomit it and come out in an hour or so with white mucus
dangling from her mouth to say she's got rid of it. She knows I
cannot get her out from behind the woodburner.
However, child vet knows best. He has allowed for this vomiting
by giving her twice the dose for her size.
She ate her small breakfast of chicken, all of it. She ate her
evening meal, slightly bigger, too.
It's tempting to give her more and push her appetite. It's not a
good idea.
At the risk of sounding like a bitch:

*NO* Vet, young or old, experienced or with the absolute latest hot
off the press knowledge can ever know 'what is best' for your pet.
Only the pet and you, their guardian and advocate, can know that.

What is KFC telling you, Tweed? Is this procedure of force feeding
her - which is clearly traumatising her - worth it?

You have misunderstood. I am *not* force feeding her, it's her
liquid meds she's vomiting up. I have never tried to force feed her
and would not. Yes, handling her for her meds traumatises her
because she is an ex-feral and that's why she always had a
long-acting antibiotic injection before. If that is not working I
am prepared to traumatise her a little to try something that might.
Traumatise is a strong word and probably does not apply to Kitty.
It's more that it makes her angry because she does not want me to
poke a pipette full of antibiotics in her mouth. I doubt if
anything would actually *traumatise* this cat after what she's been
through. The child vet will be supervised heavily by one of the partners
so
nothing will be done that doesn't have approval from a far more
experienced vet, and one that has seen KFC before.
I will give KFC every chance while my vet says it's worth it.
And yes, no risk of perhaps sounding like a bitch, you just did.

Do you really think I would let her suffer against vet advice? If
so, you do not know me.
I want to give her a chance to live out her lifespan, the vet and
myself will decide when the time has come, not a guilt trip from you.
This post annoyed me so much that I am surprised I've been so polite.

Tweed

Simmer down, Christine! This just seems another example of how much
easier it is to speak with people face-to-face. Tone of voice and
facial expressions are a lot more important than we may realize, and
it's easy to misunderstand when we only see written words. Before you
judge Yowie too harshly, remember all her other posts here, when are
never insensitive or unkind. I didn't read her post as trying to lay
a "guilt trip" on you. (Actually, I thought she was encouraging you
not to be stampeded by advice from people who DON'T know you or your
cat.)

Yes, thats exactly what I meant. Listen to KFC and do what she wants. Not a
vet, not me, not RPCA (God & Bast I'll give a pass on).

Yowie
--
"because its more fun to be evil" - Jarppi, _The Dudesons_

Christina Websell kirjoitti:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
m...

Simmer down, Christine!

Aaargh. It's really bad to call me Christine, it's not my name Evelene.

Tweed


That caught my eye too, Christina.

Purrs for your nerves to hold with all that's going on, as well as purrs
for KFC to get better soon.

--
Christine in Finland
christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:45:56 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:

I began to think it was time we gave up and wondered how long it was fair to
keep her without eating properly and with her horrible nose infection that
was not responding to treatment.
She's been very difficult to medicate with the liquid antibiotic, she's
discovered how to disappear behind the woodburner when she's had it to vomit
it and come out in an hour or so with white mucus dangling from her mouth to
say she's got rid of it. She knows I cannot get her out from behind the
woodburner.
However, child vet knows best. He has allowed for this vomiting by giving
her twice the dose for her size.
She ate her small breakfast of chicken, all of it. She ate her evening
meal, slightly bigger, too.
It's tempting to give her more and push her appetite. It's not a good idea.

Tweed


It is a good sign that KFC is eating even a little; she must be getting
better.

I certainly hope so, anyway.

~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^..^

"Life without cats would be only marginally worth living."
-TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie.

Every day is a treasure with Kenzie; I try to treat them that way. There
will only be so many, and then there will never, ever, be any more.

How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven.
- Robert Heinlein

Christina Websell wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
m...

Christina Websell wrote:
"Yowie" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
I began to think it was time we gave up and wondered how long it was
fair to keep her without eating properly and with her horrible nose
infection that was not responding to treatment.
She's been very difficult to medicate with the liquid antibiotic,
she's discovered how to disappear behind the woodburner when she's
had it to vomit it and come out in an hour or so with white mucus
dangling from her mouth to say she's got rid of it. She knows I
cannot get her out from behind the woodburner.
However, child vet knows best. He has allowed for this vomiting by
giving her twice the dose for her size.
She ate her small breakfast of chicken, all of it. She ate her
evening meal, slightly bigger, too.
It's tempting to give her more and push her appetite. It's not a
good idea.
At the risk of sounding like a bitch:

*NO* Vet, young or old, experienced or with the absolute latest hot off
the press knowledge can ever know 'what is best' for your pet. Only the
pet and you, their guardian and advocate, can know that.

What is KFC telling you, Tweed? Is this procedure of force feeding her -
which is clearly traumatising her - worth it?
You have misunderstood. I am *not* force feeding her, it's her liquid
meds she's vomiting up. I have never tried to force feed her and would
not. Yes, handling her for her meds traumatises her because she is an
ex-feral and that's why she always had a long-acting antibiotic injection
before. If that is not working I am prepared to traumatise her a little
to try something that might. Traumatise is a strong word and probably
does not apply to Kitty. It's more that it makes her angry because she
does not want me to poke a pipette full of antibiotics in her mouth. I
doubt if anything would actually *traumatise* this cat after what she's
been through.
The child vet will be supervised heavily by one of the partners so
nothing will be done that doesn't have approval from a far more
experienced vet, and one that has seen KFC before.
I will give KFC every chance while my vet says it's worth it.
And yes, no risk of perhaps sounding like a bitch, you just did.

Do you really think I would let her suffer against vet advice? If so,
you do not know me.
I want to give her a chance to live out her lifespan, the vet and myself
will decide when the time has come, not a guilt trip from you.
This post annoyed me so much that I am surprised I've been so polite.

Tweed
Simmer down, Christine!

Aaargh. It's really bad to call me Christine, it's not my name Evelene.

Tweed

Sorry, I'm not good with names. (It took me years to realize my
sister-in-law spelled her name Charleene, not Charleen.)

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...
I began to think it was time we gave up and wondered how long it was fair
to keep her without eating properly and with her horrible nose infection
that was not responding to treatment.
She's been very difficult to medicate with the liquid antibiotic, she's
discovered how to disappear behind the woodburner when she's had it to
vomit it and come out in an hour or so with white mucus dangling from her
mouth to say she's got rid of it. She knows I cannot get her out from
behind the woodburner.
However, child vet knows best. He has allowed for this vomiting by
giving her twice the dose for her size.
She ate her small breakfast of chicken, all of it. She ate her evening
meal, slightly bigger, too.
It's tempting to give her more and push her appetite. It's not a good
idea.

Tweed

I'm so glad to hear she's eating again, even if it is only a little. As
tiny as she is, I'm sure she can't afford to lose too much weight. Are you
giving her the special mixture in her water that you were before?

Sending purrs that the grande olde dame pulls through this once again.

Hugs,

CatNipped

"Yowie" wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:
"Yowie" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
I began to think it was time we gave up and wondered how long it was
fair to keep her without eating properly and with her horrible nose
infection that was not responding to treatment.
She's been very difficult to medicate with the liquid antibiotic,
she's discovered how to disappear behind the woodburner when she's
had it to vomit it and come out in an hour or so with white mucus
dangling from her mouth to say she's got rid of it. She knows I
cannot get her out from behind the woodburner.
However, child vet knows best. He has allowed for this vomiting
by giving her twice the dose for her size.
She ate her small breakfast of chicken, all of it. She ate her
evening meal, slightly bigger, too.
It's tempting to give her more and push her appetite. It's not a
good idea.

At the risk of sounding like a bitch:

*NO* Vet, young or old, experienced or with the absolute latest hot
off the press knowledge can ever know 'what is best' for your pet.
Only the pet and you, their guardian and advocate, can know that.

What is KFC telling you, Tweed? Is this procedure of force feeding
her - which is clearly traumatising her - worth it?

You have misunderstood. I am *not* force feeding her, it's her
liquid meds she's vomiting up.

*Force feeding her the meds.

I have never tried to force feed her
and would not. Yes, handling her for her meds traumatises her because
she is an ex-feral and that's why she always had a long-acting
antibiotic injection before. If that is not working I am prepared to
traumatise her a little to try something that might. Traumatise is a
strong word and probably does not apply to Kitty. It's more that it
makes her angry because she does not want me to poke a pipette full
of antibiotics in her mouth. I doubt if anything would actually
*traumatise* this cat after what she's been through.

Thats good. The way I read it, she sounded quite traumatised by being
given meds. I am not there, I cannot see, I can only go by what I'm
reading. if you say that giveing her her meds this way is not causing any
serious quality of life issues for her, then I a) believe you and b) am
glad.

The child vet will be supervised heavily by one of the partners so
nothing will be done that doesn't have approval from a far more
experienced vet, and one that has seen KFC before.

I will give KFC every chance while my vet says it's worth it.

Thats my point, Tweed, its not up to the vet, its up to you. Do *you*
think its worth it? (and only for you to say)

And yes, no risk of perhaps sounding like a bitch, you just did.

Do you really think I would let her suffer against vet advice? If
so, you do not know me.

I want to give her a chance to live out her lifespan, the vet and
myself will decide when the time has come, not a guilt trip from you.

I was not trying to guilt trip you. Nor did I mean to imply its time to
'give up'. I meant that only you (and Kitty) know what is in her best
interest, not a vet. If you think she has plenty of good days left then
even if the vet disagrees, fight with him (or find another one) till she
gets what she gets the necessary treatment. If he thinks she can go on
after this but you don't think there would be quality of life left, then
fight with him so she dies comfortably rather than just 'surviving'. Don't
let the vet make this decision for you. This is what I feared, I am glad
to be told I was wrong on this one.

This post annoyed me so much that I am surprised I've been so polite.

I'm sorry its annoyed you. But it does reassure me that you will not be
letting a vet talk you into or out of a when only you know - in the end -
what best interest of KFC, whatever that best interest is. I would hate to
think of a vet talking you into or out of what is inherently a difficult
decision, and thats sorta what I got out of your post. This may have been
a porr interpreation on my part, but thats what I saw.

If I have to live with the 'bitch' label, then so be it. But I want *you*
to be making the decisions, not being unduly influenced by a vet that
doesn't know KFC like you do.



You will have excuse my bad temper. i don't know what to do with her and
it's doing my head in.

Tweed

"Christina Websell" wrote in
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You will have excuse my bad temper. i don't know what to do with
her and it's doing my head in.

Tweed

I can only imagine how tough it really is. If she were gravely ill
from some identifiable disease it would be awful, but something to
face and deal with.

As it is, I'm guessing you feel like no matter how old she is, you
refuse to let her die because of what amounts to a stuffy nose.

Yes a nasty sinus infection that is hard to treat and that she isn't
fighting too well on her own, but still its a stuffy nose.

And even then, the side effect is just that she doesn't want to eat.
Stuffy nose and bad appetite still don't sound so bad. (Yes I do know
that they are)

Sending purrs that you feel better, and that she feels better. And
that BF is doing great too.

May you all be cozy and warm.

Jo

"Jofirey" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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You will have excuse my bad temper. i don't know what to do with her and
it's doing my head in.

Tweed

I can only imagine how tough it really is. If she were gravely ill from
some identifiable disease it would be awful, but something to face and
deal with.

As it is, I'm guessing you feel like no matter how old she is, you refuse
to let her die because of what amounts to a stuffy nose.

Yes a nasty sinus infection that is hard to treat and that she isn't
fighting too well on her own, but still its a stuffy nose.

Exactly.

And even then, the side effect is just that she doesn't want to eat.
Stuffy nose and bad appetite still don't sound so bad. (Yes I do know
that they are)

She cannot afford not to eat, she has CRF.
..

Sending purrs that you feel better, and that she feels better. And that
BF is doing great too.

BF is doing great. He's a couch potato atm. It's cold so he doesn't want
to go out too much. He's getting a bit fluffy. He forces himself out for a
very quick rat patrol in the evening and helps me with the chickens in the
morning but otherwise, apart from outside toilet duties it's 18 hours
snoozing on the duvet. Lucky boy.

Tweed