Hill's Feline S/D, Hill's Feline CD-S

From: "Cheryl"


From "Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic"
by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM
and
Martin Zucker

"Wheat and corn

"In a sensitive animal, wheat and corn products can induce vomiting and
itchy, scratchy skin. Wheat of course, is a major allergen among humans,
ranking it right up there with milk. Corn is also problematic, but less so.

"In pet foods, these grains are used as cheap fillers and sources of
carbohydrate. Often they are the single largest ingredients in the product.

"Many breeders are aware of the highly allergenic effect of wheat and will
feed a corn product instead. In formulations that contain both grains, a
sensitive animal is getting a double dose of trouble.

"It is interesting to note that corn is the number one ingredient in many
cat food products. What's curious about this is that the cat was
domesticated about 3,000 years ago as a protector of grainaries precisely
because it refused to eat grains. Only within the last 20 years or so has
the cat been eating grain. This latter-day development has absolutely
nothing to do with feline evolution or dietary preference, but rather with
the discovery by food manufacturers that if you mask corn with animal fat, a
cat will eat it. The cheap price and plentiful supply of corn is most "

Great information, Cheryl. I've been wanting to read that book.

Lauren
________
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

"Cheryl" wrote in message
...

I hope your Mom's sensitivity is under control by cutting it out.


She was told to eliminate it for two weeks (along with oats, soy, lettuce,
tomatoes, peanuts, mushrooms, milk and potatoes which all provided bad
reactions) and then the doctor will start adding foods back one-by-one to
determine which are the worst culprits. Because she had so many reactions
with one testing, the doctor thinks she may be able to add some of those
foods back in. With the exception of lettuce and mushrooms, these are all
foods she loves (and we really love food in our family) so this is a real
hardship for her. She can't even use corn oil!!


From "Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic"
by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM
and
Martin Zucker

snip

"It is interesting to note that corn is the number one ingredient in many
cat food products. What's curious about this is that the cat was
domesticated about 3,000 years ago as a protector of grainaries precisely
because it refused to eat grains. Only within the last 20 years or so has
the cat been eating grain. This latter-day development has absolutely
nothing to do with feline evolution or dietary preference, but rather with
the discovery by food manufacturers that if you mask corn with animal fat,
a
cat will eat it. The cheap price and plentiful supply of corn is most "



Interesting. I wonder if cats' digestive systems have changed in the last
20 years to reflect the digestion of grains. If not, it seems to me that
digesting any food that one is not designed to digest can only result in
problems at some point down the line. But if introduced to grains slowly
and in small amounts, a cat's system would have time to adapt and might be
more accepting of it. Hmm, sounds like a parallel to the ingestion of cow's
milk by humans (some are lactose intolerant but some are not, and those
cultures which do not traditionally consume large amounts of cow's milk tend
to have the highest incidence of lactose intolerance).

rona

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"Cheryl" wrote in message
...

I hope your Mom's sensitivity is under control by cutting it out.


She was told to eliminate it for two weeks (along with oats, soy, lettuce,
tomatoes, peanuts, mushrooms, milk and potatoes which all provided bad
reactions) and then the doctor will start adding foods back one-by-one to
determine which are the worst culprits. Because she had so many reactions
with one testing, the doctor thinks she may be able to add some of those
foods back in. With the exception of lettuce and mushrooms, these are all
foods she loves (and we really love food in our family) so this is a real
hardship for her. She can't even use corn oil!!


From "Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic"
by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM
and
Martin Zucker

snip

"It is interesting to note that corn is the number one ingredient in many
cat food products. What's curious about this is that the cat was
domesticated about 3,000 years ago as a protector of grainaries precisely
because it refused to eat grains. Only within the last 20 years or so has
the cat been eating grain. This latter-day development has absolutely
nothing to do with feline evolution or dietary preference, but rather with
the discovery by food manufacturers that if you mask corn with animal fat,
a
cat will eat it. The cheap price and plentiful supply of corn is most "



Interesting. I wonder if cats' digestive systems have changed in the last
20 years to reflect the digestion of grains. If not, it seems to me that
digesting any food that one is not designed to digest can only result in
problems at some point down the line. But if introduced to grains slowly
and in small amounts, a cat's system would have time to adapt and might be
more accepting of it. Hmm, sounds like a parallel to the ingestion of cow's
milk by humans (some are lactose intolerant but some are not, and those
cultures which do not traditionally consume large amounts of cow's milk tend
to have the highest incidence of lactose intolerance).

rona

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"Cheryl" wrote in message ...
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" wrote in message
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"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...

3) Corn is one of the least allergenic grains out there.

From "Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic"
by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM
and
Martin Zucker

"Wheat and corn

"In a sensitive animal, wheat and corn products can induce vomiting and
itchy, scratchy skin. Wheat of course, is a major allergen among humans,
ranking it right up there with milk. Corn is also problematic, but less so.

"In pet foods, these grains are used as cheap fillers and sources of
carbohydrate. Often they are the single largest ingredients in the product.

"Many breeders are aware of the highly allergenic effect of wheat and will
feed a corn product instead. In formulations that contain both grains, a
sensitive animal is getting a double dose of trouble.

"It is interesting to note that corn is the number one ingredient in many
cat food products.

Perhaps that is because there is no data anywhere in the literature
that shows corn having been even a minimally likely cause of adverse
reactions in cats.

Perhaps it has to do with essential fatty acids which are higher in
corn than any other grain.

Perhaps it has to do with the cats ability to make very good use of
the energy provided.

"Cheryl" wrote in message ...
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" wrote in message
...
"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...

3) Corn is one of the least allergenic grains out there.

From "Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic"
by Alfred J. Plechner, DVM
and
Martin Zucker

"Wheat and corn

"In a sensitive animal, wheat and corn products can induce vomiting and
itchy, scratchy skin. Wheat of course, is a major allergen among humans,
ranking it right up there with milk. Corn is also problematic, but less so.

"In pet foods, these grains are used as cheap fillers and sources of
carbohydrate. Often they are the single largest ingredients in the product.

"Many breeders are aware of the highly allergenic effect of wheat and will
feed a corn product instead. In formulations that contain both grains, a
sensitive animal is getting a double dose of trouble.

"It is interesting to note that corn is the number one ingredient in many
cat food products.

Perhaps that is because there is no data anywhere in the literature
that shows corn having been even a minimally likely cause of adverse
reactions in cats.

Perhaps it has to do with essential fatty acids which are higher in
corn than any other grain.

Perhaps it has to do with the cats ability to make very good use of
the energy provided.

SACN IV. I've already posted this info before (and so has Steve Crane).
Care
to apologize? "didn't think so"


For what? All you did was quote a book that Steve posted, Small Animal
Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. is published by the Mark Morris Institute also
known as Hill's Science Diet. I want YOU to tell me, including references,
exactly how corn is appropriate for a carnivore, and references from Hill's
don't count.

We already have. The Mark Morris Institute is independent of Hill's. But you
apparently don't really want to know, do you? It goes against your Hill's
hating agenda. Lauren, if I thought you were sincere, I would go to more
lengths to educate you (like I've done in the past). I have no reason to keep
wasting time on you since you don't really want to know. It goes back to the
whole character thing that Phil directs at you--you're not honest. You don't
really want to know. Not to mention that you are changing the question above.
Care to prove anything I said wrong w/ your OWN references? I'll bet you come
up empty handed! HA!

SACN IV. I've already posted this info before (and so has Steve Crane).
Care
to apologize? "didn't think so"


For what? All you did was quote a book that Steve posted, Small Animal
Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. is published by the Mark Morris Institute also
known as Hill's Science Diet. I want YOU to tell me, including references,
exactly how corn is appropriate for a carnivore, and references from Hill's
don't count.

We already have. The Mark Morris Institute is independent of Hill's. But you
apparently don't really want to know, do you? It goes against your Hill's
hating agenda. Lauren, if I thought you were sincere, I would go to more
lengths to educate you (like I've done in the past). I have no reason to keep
wasting time on you since you don't really want to know. It goes back to the
whole character thing that Phil directs at you--you're not honest. You don't
really want to know. Not to mention that you are changing the question above.
Care to prove anything I said wrong w/ your OWN references? I'll bet you come
up empty handed! HA!

From: (GAUBSTER2)


SACN IV. I've already posted this info before (and so has Steve Crane).
Care
to apologize? "didn't think so"


For what? All you did was quote a book that Steve posted, Small Animal
Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. is published by the Mark Morris Institute also
known as Hill's Science Diet. I want YOU to tell me, including references,
exactly how corn is appropriate for a carnivore, and references from Hill's
don't count.

We already have.

"we"??? I asked YOU.

The Mark Morris Institute is independent of Hill's. But
you
apparently don't really want to know, do you? It goes against your Hill's
hating agenda. Lauren, if I thought you were sincere, I would go to more
lengths to educate you (like I've done in the past).

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Let's see, your typical answers to me have been "call the
company yourself" "because I say so" "I called Hill's and they told me"

I have no reason to
keep
wasting time on you since you don't really want to know. It goes back to the
whole character thing that Phil directs at you--you're not honest.

I asked YOU, what exactly am I not being honest about? You don't believe my
aniimals did poorly on Hill's Science Diet? I wish it weren't true, but
unfortunately, they did do poorly with dry coats and smelly poops. Now stop
brown nosing Phil and answer the question yourself, not what Phil, who hates
people who don't feed commercial petfood, says.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: (GAUBSTER2)


SACN IV. I've already posted this info before (and so has Steve Crane).
Care
to apologize? "didn't think so"


For what? All you did was quote a book that Steve posted, Small Animal
Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. is published by the Mark Morris Institute also
known as Hill's Science Diet. I want YOU to tell me, including references,
exactly how corn is appropriate for a carnivore, and references from Hill's
don't count.

We already have.

"we"??? I asked YOU.

The Mark Morris Institute is independent of Hill's. But
you
apparently don't really want to know, do you? It goes against your Hill's
hating agenda. Lauren, if I thought you were sincere, I would go to more
lengths to educate you (like I've done in the past).

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Let's see, your typical answers to me have been "call the
company yourself" "because I say so" "I called Hill's and they told me"

I have no reason to
keep
wasting time on you since you don't really want to know. It goes back to the
whole character thing that Phil directs at you--you're not honest.

I asked YOU, what exactly am I not being honest about? You don't believe my
aniimals did poorly on Hill's Science Diet? I wish it weren't true, but
unfortunately, they did do poorly with dry coats and smelly poops. Now stop
brown nosing Phil and answer the question yourself, not what Phil, who hates
people who don't feed commercial petfood, says.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...

Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic

Great information, Cheryl. I've been wanting to read that book.

Why? Aren't you ignorant enough? I think you're *afraid* to read *real*
veterinary nutrition texts because they might shock you into reality...

Don't forget to read the foreword by William Shatner.... Now there's a real
"authority" on veterinary nutrition! He studied veterinary nutrition at
Star Fleet Academy!!! LOL!