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In article , Bob Cain
wrote: Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the wisdom to establish something after himself on a more practical level that could have avoided the splits and bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day. Bob First of all, you are assuming what you read today as his words are accurate. A preeeetty big assumption from my pov. Second, he was speaking to those of his day. He coulda given two ****s about people who've yet existed. And as far as building a better sand castle for "something after himself", I would think that he'd also not have given two ****s about that either. David Correia Celebration Sound Warren, Rhode Island www.CelebrationSound.com |
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In article , Bob Cain
wrote: Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the wisdom to establish something after himself on a more practical level that could have avoided the splits and bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day. Bob First of all, you are assuming what you read today as his words are accurate. A preeeetty big assumption from my pov. Second, he was speaking to those of his day. He coulda given two ****s about people who've yet existed. And as far as building a better sand castle for "something after himself", I would think that he'd also not have given two ****s about that either. David Correia Celebration Sound Warren, Rhode Island www.CelebrationSound.com |
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david wrote:
Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the wisdom to establish something after himself on a more practical level that could have avoided the splits and bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day. First of all, you are assuming what you read today as his words are accurate. A preeeetty big assumption from my pov. True enough and the history of the Quaran is certainly open to debate. I've read some interesting points of view that claim it to be no better authenticated or replicated than the Christian writings and coopted for later goals just as ruthlessly. Not, unfortunately, from Islamic scholars. Second, he was speaking to those of his day. He coulda given two ****s about people who've yet existed. And as far as building a better sand castle for "something after himself", I would think that he'd also not have given two ****s about that either. That was sorta my point. How could a guy that thought he was so plugged in have failed to look ahead in such important ways. That just doesn't compute. Contrary to your second statement, are you suggesting in the first one that perhaps he did and it didn't make it through the ensuing fight for succession? That's all together possible. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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david wrote:
Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the wisdom to establish something after himself on a more practical level that could have avoided the splits and bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day. First of all, you are assuming what you read today as his words are accurate. A preeeetty big assumption from my pov. True enough and the history of the Quaran is certainly open to debate. I've read some interesting points of view that claim it to be no better authenticated or replicated than the Christian writings and coopted for later goals just as ruthlessly. Not, unfortunately, from Islamic scholars. Second, he was speaking to those of his day. He coulda given two ****s about people who've yet existed. And as far as building a better sand castle for "something after himself", I would think that he'd also not have given two ****s about that either. That was sorta my point. How could a guy that thought he was so plugged in have failed to look ahead in such important ways. That just doesn't compute. Contrary to your second statement, are you suggesting in the first one that perhaps he did and it didn't make it through the ensuing fight for succession? That's all together possible. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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I always say: "There's a universal DOG and we all have a little piece. Then
again I'm dyslexic." Tom "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:06O5c.27648$wg.11789@okepread01... Whom or what do you consider the higher power? -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... OK, time for TorahUpdate 2004. Download it now! Wouldn't it be great if everyone had full time connection to his/her higher power so there wouldn't be any need for Religion. When Jesus said "Be Like Me" &" "The Kingdom of God is here at hand", I think that's what he ment. If one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing" Tom "West Wing Audio" wrote in message ... Norma wrote: 2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings that he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in general but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided, indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the author's of the aforementioned Law. Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about this. So who is doing what? Norma It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit. Good day. |
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I always say: "There's a universal DOG and we all have a little piece. Then
again I'm dyslexic." Tom "Cat Protector" wrote in message news:06O5c.27648$wg.11789@okepread01... Whom or what do you consider the higher power? -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... OK, time for TorahUpdate 2004. Download it now! Wouldn't it be great if everyone had full time connection to his/her higher power so there wouldn't be any need for Religion. When Jesus said "Be Like Me" &" "The Kingdom of God is here at hand", I think that's what he ment. If one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing" Tom "West Wing Audio" wrote in message ... Norma wrote: 2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings that he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in general but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided, indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the author's of the aforementioned Law. Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about this. So who is doing what? Norma It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit. Good day. |
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"Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... The Creator is within and without. What does this mean? How does it actually translate into everyday living? If one has a conscious contact with the Creator, then is not everything one does inspired by that connection? What is consciousness? Maintaining it, is the hard part. So said the iMac repairman. YS "ys" wrote in message hlink.net... "Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing" The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants. Not what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. It is Right because Hashem wants it to be done. Technically, Love is all inclusive of 10 different light energies which stream from the Creator. How to receive it, maintain it and generate it - is precisely what the Torah is here to teach us. Torah is the blueprint for all of creation and the manuscript for life for all humanity. It teaches us to distinguish between right and wrong and how to live according to the laws set out for us by the Creator. 613 for the Jews, 7 spiritual laws for non-Jews. One can't guess at what love is and certainly the brand of *love* exhibited by idol worshippers in the name of *brotherhood*, *peace* and *love* are blasphemous to the Creator. So? Live and learn. Sooner or later the world will *get it*. You can't go against the Creator for this is going against nature which spells only death, loving Hashem's laws is choosing life. "I set before you this day a blessing and a curse." Deuteronomy 11.26 YS "West Wing Audio" wrote in message ... Norma wrote: 2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings that he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in general but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided, indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the author's of the aforementioned Law. Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about this. So who is doing what? Norma It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit. Good day. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/04 |
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"Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... The Creator is within and without. What does this mean? How does it actually translate into everyday living? If one has a conscious contact with the Creator, then is not everything one does inspired by that connection? What is consciousness? Maintaining it, is the hard part. So said the iMac repairman. YS "ys" wrote in message hlink.net... "Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing" The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants. Not what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. It is Right because Hashem wants it to be done. Technically, Love is all inclusive of 10 different light energies which stream from the Creator. How to receive it, maintain it and generate it - is precisely what the Torah is here to teach us. Torah is the blueprint for all of creation and the manuscript for life for all humanity. It teaches us to distinguish between right and wrong and how to live according to the laws set out for us by the Creator. 613 for the Jews, 7 spiritual laws for non-Jews. One can't guess at what love is and certainly the brand of *love* exhibited by idol worshippers in the name of *brotherhood*, *peace* and *love* are blasphemous to the Creator. So? Live and learn. Sooner or later the world will *get it*. You can't go against the Creator for this is going against nature which spells only death, loving Hashem's laws is choosing life. "I set before you this day a blessing and a curse." Deuteronomy 11.26 YS "West Wing Audio" wrote in message ... Norma wrote: 2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings that he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in general but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided, indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the author's of the aforementioned Law. Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about this. So who is doing what? Norma It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit. Good day. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/04 |
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ys wrote:
"Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing" The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants. Not what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. The problem being that there is disagreement - often violent disagreement - about "what the Creator wants." And whose version of the Creator is to hold sway? Witness the myriad splinter sects within every major world religion. Which one follows the "true" Creator? And within that subset, which one has the "true" understanding of what the Creator wants? |
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ys wrote:
"Tommy B" wrote in message hlink.net... one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing" The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants. Not what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. The problem being that there is disagreement - often violent disagreement - about "what the Creator wants." And whose version of the Creator is to hold sway? Witness the myriad splinter sects within every major world religion. Which one follows the "true" Creator? And within that subset, which one has the "true" understanding of what the Creator wants? |
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