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In article ,
"Phil P." wrote:

Any canned diet *will not* do! No maintenience canned diet will dissolve
an *already existing* urolith that's large enough to obstruct the urethra of
a male cat...

Your logic really *is* detached from reality!

All this talk of uroliths...it IS still true, isn't it, that
urolithiasis is RARE in cats? And that obstructive feline lower urinary
tract disease results from mucus plugs of which only part of the
composition is crystalline matter? And that the jury is still out on the
chicken-or-egg issue of whether the crystals cause the irritation that
cause the mucus, or whether the irritation causes the proper environment
for crystal formation AND mucus formation, and the crystals just get
caught up in a plug that would have blocked the cat anyway? And that
crystalluria and urolithiasis may or may NOT be connected, particularly
that the crystalline composition of "sand" in the bladder is NOT
diagnostic of the crystalline composition of any bladder stone that
might be present?

That was certainly the common knowledge in texts and journals a little
over a year ago.

Sure, calcium oxalate crystal formations can't easily be dissolved but
as a matter of prevention, a dilute urine doesn't form crystals easily
and a cat with frequent urination of high volume is at far less risk of
blockage than a cat that pees little and seldom. Which I know you know
since you tout the importance of a moist diet all the time.

-Alison in OH

"Liz" wrote in message
om...

Yet *another* reply! You *really* do have poor impulse control! In
addition to being obsessed fanatic, you're also an egomanaic, I see! LOL!
What a mess!



So you recognized yourself, huh? That´s good. Recognizing your faults
is the first step towards improvement.

Not really, Liz the wanna be wiz.... Those were all things you usually
accuse me of when you can't refute what I say and can't slither out being
caught red-handed in a manipulation or deliberate misinterpretation of a
study. LOL!

Come on - let me see that poor impulse control again! I love it!

"Liz" wrote in message
om...

Yet *another* reply! You *really* do have poor impulse control! In
addition to being obsessed fanatic, you're also an egomanaic, I see! LOL!
What a mess!



So you recognized yourself, huh? That´s good. Recognizing your faults
is the first step towards improvement.

Not really, Liz the wanna be wiz.... Those were all things you usually
accuse me of when you can't refute what I say and can't slither out being
caught red-handed in a manipulation or deliberate misinterpretation of a
study. LOL!

Come on - let me see that poor impulse control again! I love it!

"Alison Perera" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Phil P." wrote:

Any canned diet *will not* do! No maintenience canned diet will
dissolve
an *already existing* urolith that's large enough to obstruct the
urethra of
a male cat...

Your logic really *is* detached from reality!

All this talk of uroliths...it IS still true, isn't it, that
urolithiasis is RARE in cats?

There seems to be quite a few posts about cats with "stones" (yes, I know
the difference between plugs and uroliths). I guess they're not that
rare... But it is true that urethral plugs are more common in cats than
uroliths. One theory suggests that plug matrix follows urinary tract
infections... but true urinary infections in cats isn't that common.



That was certainly the common knowledge in texts and journals a little
over a year ago.

Sure, calcium oxalate crystal formations can't easily be dissolved

Can't be easily dissolved? Calcium oxalate can't be dissolved in cats.


but
as a matter of prevention,

I absolutely agree with you.

a dilute urine doesn't form crystals easily
and a cat with frequent urination of high volume is at far less risk of
blockage than a cat that pees little and seldom. Which I know you know
since you tout the importance of a moist diet all the time.

I was pushing canned diets years before their importance was finally
accepted I had some red hot flame wars with dry food proponets over canned
food! LOL! Most of them have since switched to canned food.

Phil.

"Alison Perera" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Phil P." wrote:

Any canned diet *will not* do! No maintenience canned diet will
dissolve
an *already existing* urolith that's large enough to obstruct the
urethra of
a male cat...

Your logic really *is* detached from reality!

All this talk of uroliths...it IS still true, isn't it, that
urolithiasis is RARE in cats?

There seems to be quite a few posts about cats with "stones" (yes, I know
the difference between plugs and uroliths). I guess they're not that
rare... But it is true that urethral plugs are more common in cats than
uroliths. One theory suggests that plug matrix follows urinary tract
infections... but true urinary infections in cats isn't that common.



That was certainly the common knowledge in texts and journals a little
over a year ago.

Sure, calcium oxalate crystal formations can't easily be dissolved

Can't be easily dissolved? Calcium oxalate can't be dissolved in cats.


but
as a matter of prevention,

I absolutely agree with you.

a dilute urine doesn't form crystals easily
and a cat with frequent urination of high volume is at far less risk of
blockage than a cat that pees little and seldom. Which I know you know
since you tout the importance of a moist diet all the time.

I was pushing canned diets years before their importance was finally
accepted I had some red hot flame wars with dry food proponets over canned
food! LOL! Most of them have since switched to canned food.

Phil.

(Liz) wrote in message . com...
Well hello Steve! I thought you were ignoring me. Where are all the
references I requested of you?

References for what? Renal failure? I figured after Phil posted half a
dozen or more and made you look pretty silly you might prefer to leave
it alone.

(Liz) wrote in message . com...
Well hello Steve! I thought you were ignoring me. Where are all the
references I requested of you?

References for what? Renal failure? I figured after Phil posted half a
dozen or more and made you look pretty silly you might prefer to leave
it alone.

Well hello Steve! I thought you were ignoring me. Where are all the
references I requested of you?

References for what? Renal failure? I figured after Phil posted half a
dozen or more and made you look pretty silly you might prefer to leave
it alone.

No, absolutely not. I don´t waste my time with Phil´s limited
understanding, the most I try to do is open his eyes but I guess you
pulled them out already. I asked you a whole lot of questions and
requested a whole lot of references to all the statements you always
make to sell your junk food and you still haven´t given me one
reference that I requested. You have no idea of how much it bothers me
to see people buying into your crap and see their animals sick because
of that food. What drives me is the animal´s health. What drives you
is money. And this bothers me way too much.

Well hello Steve! I thought you were ignoring me. Where are all the
references I requested of you?

References for what? Renal failure? I figured after Phil posted half a
dozen or more and made you look pretty silly you might prefer to leave
it alone.

No, absolutely not. I don´t waste my time with Phil´s limited
understanding, the most I try to do is open his eyes but I guess you
pulled them out already. I asked you a whole lot of questions and
requested a whole lot of references to all the statements you always
make to sell your junk food and you still haven´t given me one
reference that I requested. You have no idea of how much it bothers me
to see people buying into your crap and see their animals sick because
of that food. What drives me is the animal´s health. What drives you
is money. And this bothers me way too much.

References for what? Renal failure? I figured after Phil posted half a
dozen or more and made you look pretty silly you might prefer to leave
it alone.

No, absolutely not.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good lie, huh, Liz? LOL

I don´t waste my time with Phil´s limited
understanding, the most I try to do is open his eyes but I guess you
pulled them out already.

Why do you respond to him then?

you always
make to sell your junk food

Hill's products are hardly junk food, but I suppose you think if you repeat
this over and over, someone will actually believe it?

You have no idea of how much it bothers me
to see people buying into your crap and see their animals sick because
of that food.

Oh, give it up, Liz. Hill's producst have saved more animals lives than you'll
ever admit. Why are you so crazy? Get dropped on your head as a child? Do
too many drugs?

What drives me is the animal´s health. What drives you
is money. And this bothers me way too much.


Steve Crane seems to know way more than you do when it comes to nutrition
judging by his posts vs. yours.