[OT] Poor baby birds!

"Cheryl Perkins" wrote

Pat wrote:

Tweed I think you missed your calling, you ought to be a consultant for
the
cockfighting industry!

Tweed didn't say a thing about cockfighting!

That's true, however since she appears to know all there is to know about
baby chicks, she certainly could perform a useful service for the "humans"
who are involved in that "sport".

"William Hamblen" wrote

Chicken farmers are not interested in buying dead chicks. It's hard
enough to make a living with chickens.

Right. And since they don't have to pay for any that arrive dead, it's none
of their concern how the birds make out.

"Jo Firey" wrote in message
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"Pat" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote

I would just like to point out here that chicks of the chicken variety
at
least do not need food or water for 48 hours or a bit more. The reason
being that the yolk sac that has been sustaining them inside the egg
has
only just been absorbed into the abdomen at the navel site shortly
before
hatching.

Day old chicks need temperatures of 104f (ish) which is the temperature
they would experience if they were tucked under a broody hen. That is
why they need to be under a heat lamp if they are hatched in a
incubator.

It is not inhumane to ship day old chicks without food or water. They
do
not need it. Nor in high temperatures, as they need these. I would
suggest that if countless chicks are dying it is more likely because
they are packed in too tightly in boxes that do not provide them with
enough oxygen. I would suggest a reduction in the number of chicks in a
box would go a long way to reducing deaths.

Animal protection groups are all very well if they know what they are
talking about.
I have been breeding poultry for many years and have reared hundreds of
chicks, some of which had to stay in the incubator for up to 3 days if
it
was a long drawn out hatch and there were still eggs pipping out. To
open the incubator would destroy the high humidity needed for these
eggs
to hatch. The older chicks were always absolutely fine, feeding on
their
yolk sacs for this period. I never lost one.


Tweed I think you missed your calling, you ought to be a consultant for
the cockfighting industry!


Uncalled for

Pat is the most ignorant bitch here, but then, you run a close second.

This is what you assholes get for tolerating *everything* except
intelligence.

Pat wrote:
Every year, millions of day-old baby chicks are mailed via the U.S. Postal
Service by commercial hatcheries and cockfighting breeders. The chicks are
literally packed in boxes and sent through the mail, without food or water,
and with no concern for temperature extremes. This inhumane practice results
in the deaths of countless baby birds every year.

After receiving complaints from various animal protection groups, the U.S.
Postal Service adopted policy changes to help protect birds shipped in the
mail. The new regulations require that the shipment of all live animals be
coordinated through central offices to ensure their arrival and limit the
length of time the animals can be in transit via ground transportation.

In response to the new regulations adopted by the U.S. Postal Service,
Senator Charles Grassley has introduced S. 2395, which would remove the
Postal Service's authority to implement the new regulations and force it to
accommodate the baby bird and cockfighting industries. S. 2395 would provide
that the Postal Service require certain airlines to transport birds, require
those airlines to transport the birds through connecting cities, not
necessarily direct flights, and require those airlines to transport birds in
any temperature conditions between 0 and 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

If passed, this bill will undoubtedly lead to unnecessary suffering for
millions of baby birds! Contact your Senators now and urge them to oppose S.
2395!

http://tinyurl.com/fej76

This is kind of bizarre legislation. I don't understand it. For one
thing, cockfighting is illegal in all but two states. (La. and NM I
believe). It is illegal to transport game chickens over state lines
which do not allow cockfighting. So I don't get the reference to
cockfighting.
Baby chicks have been received by mail by farmers forever. If you go to
the post office early here, you can hear them peeping in the back, the
ones that haven't been picked up yet. We used to order them back in the
60's-70's. We never did have a dead one in the lot. I just don't
beleive extreme heat would be an issue; I think they only ship them in
the spring.
But, if whomever is sponsoring this bill wants to protect baby chicks,
they need to look at the stores that carry them at Easter, and make
them STOP doing that. That's the cruelest thing you can do, IMO, to a
baby chick --market them, and sell them for EAster toys to families
that don't have a clue or a place to raise them.

Sherry

Jo Firey wrote:
OK I was ****ed off in general and more specifically that Tweed was being
accused of not caring about birds. Also bored.

I did some research, and as is often the case, money is the main concern in
this mess. At least that is how I read it.

Day old baby chicks have been shipped by mail and by other means for
decades. Nobody makes any money if the chicks don't arrive at their
destination healthy.

Northwest Airlines has or had the contract for airmail for the US Postal
Service. For a lot of reasons. many that do not make sense, it costs a
fraction to use the Postal Service to send the chicks compared to what it
costs to send the same chicks on the same flight by other means.

Northwest wanted to keep its postal contract but it didn't want to fly the
chicks for the postal service. (Which happened to boost their profits)
This caused financial hardship for the poultry industry. In particular for
small and more remote farms who didn't have other means of getting chicks at
a reasonable price.

Requiring the carrier to handle the chicks was necessary to protect the
industry. (OK and maybe to make nice with Tyson's lobbyists)

To put a different light on it, last month Northwest was responsible for the
death of over 9.000 turkey chicks that were being shipped from Canada to
California.

The producer took the chicks from their hatchery in Canada to Detroit in a
climate controlled truck where they were supposed to be put on two planes.
Northwest put them all one one plane. They suffocated before they got to
San Francisco where they were to be picked up by another climate controlled
truck. They then left some of the replacement chicks on the runway in Las
Vegas where they died from extreme heat. The airline is facing charges.

It isn't a matter of it being cruel or unsafe to ship day old chicks. They
are as Tweed stated uniquely able to handle being shipped at that age. It
really is very little different from still being packed into their little
eggs and that is hardly cruel.

It is a matter of people being required to do their jobs and to do them
responsibly.

Again, it isn't in anyone's interest to be cruel the chicks. Shipping them
isn't cruel. Being careless in the handling of the shipment is.

Jo

This whole thing just didn't make sense to me, and I also tried to get
more information. Where, oh, where, is the cockfighting, or game
industry, mentioned *anywhere*? Did the ASPCA just throw that in to
raise the ire of animal lovers, and thereby gain their support?
I'm still not clear about the logistics of the bill, but I learned one
thing that made me chuckle: Up until WWII, you could ship children
parcel post for the same rate as baby chicks.

Sherry

wrote:
Up until WWII, you could ship children
parcel post for the same rate as baby chicks.

Sherry

wrote:
Up until WWII, you could ship children
parcel post for the same rate as baby chicks.

Sherry

How much does it cost now to ship children parcel post? ;-)
--
Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
Cats leave pawprints on your heart.
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Pat wrote:
"Cheryl Perkins" wrote

Pat wrote:

Tweed I think you missed your calling, you ought to be a consultant
for the
cockfighting industry!

Tweed didn't say a thing about cockfighting!

That's true, however since she appears to know all there is to know
about baby chicks, she certainly could perform a useful service for
the "humans" who are involved in that "sport".

Thankfully cockfighting has been illegal where Tweed lives for many years.
You are being nasty to suggest Tweed would have anything to do with this
abhorrent practice.
--
Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
Cats leave pawprints on your heart.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:42:17 -0500, "Pat"
yodeled:


"Christina Websell" wrote

I would just like to point out here that chicks of the chicken variety at
least do not need food or water for 48 hours or a bit more. The reason
being that the yolk sac that has been sustaining them inside the egg has
only just been absorbed into the abdomen at the navel site shortly before
hatching.

Day old chicks need temperatures of 104f (ish) which is the temperature
they would experience if they were tucked under a broody hen. That is why
they need to be under a heat lamp if they are hatched in a incubator.

It is not inhumane to ship day old chicks without food or water. They do
not need it. Nor in high temperatures, as they need these. I would
suggest that if countless chicks are dying it is more likely because they
are packed in too tightly in boxes that do not provide them with enough
oxygen. I would suggest a reduction in the number of chicks in a box would
go a long way to reducing deaths.

Animal protection groups are all very well if they know what they are
talking about.
I have been breeding poultry for many years and have reared hundreds of
chicks, some of which had to stay in the incubator for up to 3 days if it
was a long drawn out hatch and there were still eggs pipping out. To open
the incubator would destroy the high humidity needed for these eggs to
hatch. The older chicks were always absolutely fine, feeding on their
yolk sacs for this period. I never lost one.


Tweed I think you missed your calling, you ought to be a consultant for the
cockfighting industry!



Hmm. Somehow I don't get the impression that Christina means her
birds to be ripped up by each other while a lot of ne'er do wells bet
on them.


Theresa
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:58:10 +0100, "Adrian A"
yodeled:

wrote:
Up until WWII, you could ship children
parcel post for the same rate as baby chicks.

Sherry

How much does it cost now to ship children parcel post? ;-)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



Theresa
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Make Levees, Not War