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  #21  
Old December 10th 04, 03:41 PM
Helen Wheels
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Ginger-lyn Summer wrote:

Last night, a guy walked into a crowded nightclub in my city, and
opened fire. Five are dead, two others wounded seriously, possibly
others wounded less seriously. The shooter was killed by a police
officer, or else more might be dead. He apparently shot the guitarist
of the band first.

Last night was also the anniversary of the assassination of John
Lennon.

When will this sort of madness stop?

It was also the 10th anniversary of my beloved Circe's crossing to the
Bridge.

I am really starting to dislike December 8th.

Ginger-lyn


Purrs all round. I don't know what else to say.
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Old December 10th 04, 04:06 PM
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wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

The madness will stop when we accept personal responsibility (as a
society)


*As a society*, yes - I agree. I agree that we all, as a society, have
to take responsibility, *together*, *for each other* and for our community.
CY: Would be nice if we had strong families, instead of divorce.


Each individual needs to contribute to that overall whole, which is why
the responsibility is "personal" as well as societal. But really, it's
a matter of everyone working out together which policies, laws, cultural
attitudes, and ways to raise children we want to create in our culture,
that will best promote peaceful interactions and end violence...

....which is so vague it probably says nothing - but I'm not going to
solve the world's problems tonight!
CY: How about strong families, teaching values, and law enforcement that
works?


It would help if we'd repeal some of the anti-gun-ownership laws that
only disarm the honest.


Oh, sure, that'll help. Let's end gun violence by letting everyone have
guns. Where do I sign up for my AK-47?
CY: Want to borrow one of mine?


(OK, those of you who're grumbling because that freaky queer pinko from
the Left Coast is flapping her jaw again - I didn't start this one!)
CY: Have you noticed that crime goes up where gun laws are enacted?


Joyce


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Old December 10th 04, 04:08 PM
Stormin Mormon
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Would you like an AKat-47?

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"Howard Berkowitz" wrote in message
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I have my views onthe matter, but this group isn't the place for them.


If this was only rec.pets.bears.anecdotes, the right to arm bears would
be on topic.


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Old December 10th 04, 04:10 PM
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I personally know many people who own guns. And of the folks I know, none
are dangerous. I also know folks who own knives, daggers, and swords and
kirpans.

Folks who own kirpans (religious dagger) tend to be very peaceful and kind.
At least the ones I know.

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"Takayuki" wrote in message
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I have my views onthe matter, but this group isn't the place for them.


My personal view on this type of debate is that if you own a gun, it's
probably safest for me to agree with 100% of what you have to say.


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Old December 10th 04, 04:16 PM
Sherry
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You can always come and stay with this odd Brit who cannot for the life of
her
understand why any ordinary member of the public thinks the "right" to bear
arms is somehow essential to a civilised society, as it seems that in all the
places where people have easy access to firearms is where lots of innocent
people get killed year after year after year...

Cheers, helen s


OK Helen. This isn't a debate, just a plea for you to enlighten this poor
ignorant Yank who has done zero world travel. I'm having a hard time
visualizing a police force without weapons. I'm guessing they carry night
sticks, or mace or something, right? Or are your criminals just by nature more
docile, and never armed themselves? Do your policemen ever get shot by armed
criminals? I know this sounds dumb. :-(
It's just so commonplace here. The little security guard in the bank is armed.
Heck, there's even a jeweler in south OKC that's packing a .45 on his hip, in
view, in the store. Okla. passed the "conceal and carry" law several years ago
so that *anyone* can carry a gun legally. There are signs in banks, schools,
etc., "No Guns On Premises", I bet you find that odd. It *is* odd when you
think about it.
I hate all hunting, I don't like guns. We have one, however. IMO it is a
necessary evil when you live rural like us, with no animal control, or no city
police protection. I don't want to find a rabid skunk in the front yard and
have to club it to death with a baseball bat.
Sherry
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Old December 10th 04, 05:32 PM
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
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OK Helen. This isn't a debate, just a plea for you to enlighten this poor
ignorant Yank who has done zero world travel. I'm having a hard time
visualizing a police force without weapons. I'm guessing they carry night
sticks, or mace or something, right? Or are your criminals just by nature
more
docile, and never armed themselves? Do your policemen ever get shot by armed
criminals? I know this sounds dumb. :-(


Just different, not dumb :-) Our police are not routinely armed with firearms.
There are specialist squads that can be seen such as at airports, that carry
firearms, but the average policeman doesn't. Our police have trucheons (batons)
as normal defence weapon. Plus there's been trials of stuff such as stun guns &
sprays. Indeed our police have rightly been proud to *not* carry guns. Indeed,
it's been put forward that if our polcie carried firearms routinely, then more
criminals would be prepared to arm themselves, so violence would increase, not
decrease, as a result.

Yes, there is gun crime over here, but it's at a much lower level than on the
other side of the pond, as we have remarkably strict gun control. It's not
perfect, but it's not bad either :-) People just don't pack guns as a matter of
course for the most part. Some people have a legitimate use for firearms, eg
famers, but it's not common over here for people to be packing a piece ;-)

Cheers, helen s





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Old December 10th 04, 07:19 PM
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Stormin Mormon wrote in message
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The usual would be like the columbine shootings. Kids raised in daycare

with
violent video games, and no parental supervision. And no church and

values.

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It's probably fairer to say 'no church OR values'. The two don't have to go
hand in hand, I have no god, but I do have strong principles.

Jeanette


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Old December 10th 04, 08:36 PM
Bob M
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Ginger-lyn Summer wrote:

Last night, a guy walked into a crowded nightclub in my city, and
opened fire. Five are dead, two others wounded seriously, possibly
others wounded less seriously. The shooter was killed by a police
officer, or else more might be dead. He apparently shot the guitarist
of the band first.

Last night was also the anniversary of the assassination of John
Lennon.

When will this sort of madness stop?

It was also the 10th anniversary of my beloved Circe's crossing to the
Bridge.

I am really starting to dislike December 8th.

Ginger-lyn


Purrs and prayers to the victim's family and loved ones as well as to
all his fans. And purrs and prayers also to the police officer that had
to shoot the suspect.

Bob
 




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