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Ginger-lyn Summer wrote:
Last night, a guy walked into a crowded nightclub in my city, and opened fire. Five are dead, two others wounded seriously, possibly others wounded less seriously. The shooter was killed by a police officer, or else more might be dead. He apparently shot the guitarist of the band first. Last night was also the anniversary of the assassination of John Lennon. When will this sort of madness stop? It was also the 10th anniversary of my beloved Circe's crossing to the Bridge. I am really starting to dislike December 8th. Ginger-lyn Purrs all round. I don't know what else to say. |
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... Stormin Mormon wrote: The madness will stop when we accept personal responsibility (as a society) *As a society*, yes - I agree. I agree that we all, as a society, have to take responsibility, *together*, *for each other* and for our community. CY: Would be nice if we had strong families, instead of divorce. Each individual needs to contribute to that overall whole, which is why the responsibility is "personal" as well as societal. But really, it's a matter of everyone working out together which policies, laws, cultural attitudes, and ways to raise children we want to create in our culture, that will best promote peaceful interactions and end violence... ....which is so vague it probably says nothing - but I'm not going to solve the world's problems tonight! CY: How about strong families, teaching values, and law enforcement that works? It would help if we'd repeal some of the anti-gun-ownership laws that only disarm the honest. Oh, sure, that'll help. Let's end gun violence by letting everyone have guns. Where do I sign up for my AK-47? CY: Want to borrow one of mine? (OK, those of you who're grumbling because that freaky queer pinko from the Left Coast is flapping her jaw again - I didn't start this one!) CY: Have you noticed that crime goes up where gun laws are enacted? Joyce |
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The usual would be like the columbine shootings. Kids raised in daycare with
violent video games, and no parental supervision. And no church and values. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Seanette Blaylock" wrote in message ... (Ginger-lyn Summer) had some very interesting things to say about OT-Shooting: Last night, a guy walked into a crowded nightclub in my city, and opened fire. Five are dead, two others wounded seriously, possibly others wounded less seriously. The shooter was killed by a police officer, or else more might be dead. He apparently shot the guitarist of the band first. I saw something about that in my local paper. Any idea what the guy's malfunction is? -- "The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL |
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Would you like an AKat-47?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Howard Berkowitz" wrote in message news:hcb-B3B29F.23143809122004@news- I have my views onthe matter, but this group isn't the place for them. If this was only rec.pets.bears.anecdotes, the right to arm bears would be on topic. |
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I personally know many people who own guns. And of the folks I know, none
are dangerous. I also know folks who own knives, daggers, and swords and kirpans. Folks who own kirpans (religious dagger) tend to be very peaceful and kind. At least the ones I know. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Takayuki" wrote in message ... I have my views onthe matter, but this group isn't the place for them. My personal view on this type of debate is that if you own a gun, it's probably safest for me to agree with 100% of what you have to say. |
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I think he meant NYC (with prohibition) and Washington DC (also
prohibition). Cause guns are more easily available there. Now, everyone be careful. Some of us RPCA folks might be carrying a gun. Kirpan. Litterbox. Etc. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "ScratchMonkey" wrote in message . .. omcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote in : it seems that in all the places where people have easy access to firearms is where lots of innocent people get killed year after year after year... Switzerland? Vermont? Texas? Arizona? Violence is a social phenomenon, not a technological one. Fix the underlying social problem and you don't have to band-aid over it with a superficial and ineffective feel-good law that just punishes the innocent. I don't want to carry a weapon. But I want the bad guys to think that anyone around them might be carrying, so they don't know who to worry about. |
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You can always come and stay with this odd Brit who cannot for the life of
her understand why any ordinary member of the public thinks the "right" to bear arms is somehow essential to a civilised society, as it seems that in all the places where people have easy access to firearms is where lots of innocent people get killed year after year after year... Cheers, helen s OK Helen. This isn't a debate, just a plea for you to enlighten this poor ignorant Yank who has done zero world travel. I'm having a hard time visualizing a police force without weapons. I'm guessing they carry night sticks, or mace or something, right? Or are your criminals just by nature more docile, and never armed themselves? Do your policemen ever get shot by armed criminals? I know this sounds dumb. :-( It's just so commonplace here. The little security guard in the bank is armed. Heck, there's even a jeweler in south OKC that's packing a .45 on his hip, in view, in the store. Okla. passed the "conceal and carry" law several years ago so that *anyone* can carry a gun legally. There are signs in banks, schools, etc., "No Guns On Premises", I bet you find that odd. It *is* odd when you think about it. I hate all hunting, I don't like guns. We have one, however. IMO it is a necessary evil when you live rural like us, with no animal control, or no city police protection. I don't want to find a rabid skunk in the front yard and have to club it to death with a baseball bat. Sherry |
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OK Helen. This isn't a debate, just a plea for you to enlighten this poor
ignorant Yank who has done zero world travel. I'm having a hard time visualizing a police force without weapons. I'm guessing they carry night sticks, or mace or something, right? Or are your criminals just by nature more docile, and never armed themselves? Do your policemen ever get shot by armed criminals? I know this sounds dumb. :-( Just different, not dumb :-) Our police are not routinely armed with firearms. There are specialist squads that can be seen such as at airports, that carry firearms, but the average policeman doesn't. Our police have trucheons (batons) as normal defence weapon. Plus there's been trials of stuff such as stun guns & sprays. Indeed our police have rightly been proud to *not* carry guns. Indeed, it's been put forward that if our polcie carried firearms routinely, then more criminals would be prepared to arm themselves, so violence would increase, not decrease, as a result. Yes, there is gun crime over here, but it's at a much lower level than on the other side of the pond, as we have remarkably strict gun control. It's not perfect, but it's not bad either :-) People just don't pack guns as a matter of course for the most part. Some people have a legitimate use for firearms, eg famers, but it's not common over here for people to be packing a piece ;-) Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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Stormin Mormon wrote in message ... The usual would be like the columbine shootings. Kids raised in daycare with violent video games, and no parental supervision. And no church and values. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com It's probably fairer to say 'no church OR values'. The two don't have to go hand in hand, I have no god, but I do have strong principles. Jeanette |
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Ginger-lyn Summer wrote:
Last night, a guy walked into a crowded nightclub in my city, and opened fire. Five are dead, two others wounded seriously, possibly others wounded less seriously. The shooter was killed by a police officer, or else more might be dead. He apparently shot the guitarist of the band first. Last night was also the anniversary of the assassination of John Lennon. When will this sort of madness stop? It was also the 10th anniversary of my beloved Circe's crossing to the Bridge. I am really starting to dislike December 8th. Ginger-lyn Purrs and prayers to the victim's family and loved ones as well as to all his fans. And purrs and prayers also to the police officer that had to shoot the suspect. Bob |
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