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Tom Cat won’t breed with in-season queen!??



 
 
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Old July 8th 08, 06:41 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

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"CatNipped" wrote:


Yes, indeed, there are so many reasons to keep breeding "pure-bred" cats
until, like over-bred dogs, every single breed has its concommitant (usually
painful, often deadly) defects - while perfectly healthy moggies are
euthanized for want of a home.


To believe that mixed breed dogs and cats are without health issues is
to be wearing blinders. I've never owned a purebred cat, but my first
cat died from cardiomyopathy at barely 10. Apparently she hadn't heard
about "hybrid vigor".

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Old July 8th 08, 06:43 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

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Well, how wonderful
would it be if the people who only want pure-bred status symbols


Do you really believe that "status" is the reason to get a certain pet?

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Old July 8th 08, 06:46 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won’t breed with in-season queen!??

Perhaps he has already done the deed when you aren't present. Perhaps
you are emitting distracting vibes with your intense and anxious
interest. Anyway, he's probably done it by now. But if this is his
first opportunity to mate at the age of three, he has missed out on
two and a half years experience, so maybe he's just not habituated to
jump on top of a female right off the bat.

On Jun 18, 11:22*pm, dontcountstars wrote:
I recently got a Queen to breed with my 3 year old tom cat. He is an
exceptional little guy in great health and I have guarenteed homes for
up to 7 kittens (just so you know im responsible!)

He often calls for a mate...howls etc whatever you like to call it,
yet now the queen is in season he is showing no interest at all. He is
very placid and seems almost worried or frightened when she squats in
front of him *waggling her tail and growling excitedly. She has hissed
and smacked him in the past, could this have frightened him off?

I cant understand his complete lack of interest in mating, is it just
because he is inexperienced, or does this suggest it is a lost cause?

Also is there anything at all I can do?

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Old July 8th 08, 06:46 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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In article Z%Cck.350$rb1.46@trndny08, "Phil P."
wrote:


As long as you're breeding cats while cats are dying in shelters because
there aren't enough homes- you can bet your "irresponsible,
morally bankrupt" ass you're doing something wrong.



Not if the OP is contributing to that shelter population with
responsible breeding practices. Sorry - I don't think there is the
slightest thing wrong with wanting a responsibly bred animal. Go after
the folks who aren't. They're the ones filling shelters.

...and every top quality home you find for your intentionally bred cats, is
one home less for a cat languishing in a shelter where she'll be eventually
killed.

A fallacy,
snip a bunch of other extremist views

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Old July 8th 08, 06:50 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

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Not if the OP is contributing


UGH - that should have read ISN'T.

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Old July 8th 08, 06:52 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

Well, how wonderful
would it be if the people who only want pure-bred status symbols


Do you really believe that "status" is the reason to get a certain pet?


For people who purchase a pure-bred cat? Yes! Why else get a cat that very
probably will have severe health problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a
healthy moggie to die in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows
are just a chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
then display their prizes to other snobs.

And before you claim that pure-breds have certain personality traits - I
call BS. Any personality trait found in a pure-bred cat can be found in a
moggie as well. And people who adopt a moggie from a shelter are certainly
*not* looking for just a status symbol - it's a hundred times more likely
that they're just looking for a addition to their family instead to love and
not a prize to show off.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old July 8th 08, 06:58 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

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"CatNipped" wrote:


For people who purchase a pure-bred cat? Yes! Why else get a cat that very
probably will have severe health problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a
healthy moggie to die in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows
are just a chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
then display their prizes to other snobs.

And before you claim that pure-breds have certain personality traits - I
call BS.


Very probably? What are your statistics on likelihood of severe health
problems in purebred cats vs mixed breed cats? I've only had mixed
breed cats. They've all had health problems. 2 of them had severe
health problems. I'm pretty sure I've spent many times more on their
health than I would have paid for purebred cat.

Who said anything about cat shows? There may be many reasons to own a
purebred cat. How about allergy issues (for the human)? I know several
people who have Siberians due to allergy issues. They love being able
to have a cat and still breathe (a little issue maybe, but.....).

Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it does
for dogs.

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Old July 8th 08, 07:01 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:


Yes, indeed, there are so many reasons to keep breeding "pure-bred" cats
until, like over-bred dogs, every single breed has its concommitant
(usually
painful, often deadly) defects - while perfectly healthy moggies are
euthanized for want of a home.


To believe that mixed breed dogs and cats are without health issues is
to be wearing blinders. I've never owned a purebred cat, but my first
cat died from cardiomyopathy at barely 10. Apparently she hadn't heard
about "hybrid vigor".

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*SIGH* I see you conveniently snipped my list of breed defects - that's ok,
I'll just add it back in for you...

Abyssinians? Renal amyloidosis, retinal atrophy, psychogenic alopecia,
patellarluxation.

American Shorthair? Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, polycystic kidney disease,
mucopolysaccharosidosis.

Bengal? Entropion.

Birman? Hip dysplasia, epibulbar dermoids

British Shorthair? Hemophilia

Burmese? Ocular dermoids, primary endocaridal fibroelastosis,
meningoencephalocele, keratoconjunctivitis sicca, erosion of cartilage of
third eyelid, lethal midfacial malformation.

Chartreux? Patellar luxation, hip dysplasia.

Cornish Rex? Hypothyroidism, hypotrichosis.

Devon Rex? Hypothyroidism, patellar luxation, hip dysplasia, hypotrichosis,
spasticity (prevents swallowing).

Himalayan? Cataracts, psychogenic alopecia, cutaneous asthenia, polycystic
kidneydisease.

Korat? Gangliosidosis.

Maine Coon? Pectus excavatum, patellar luxation, hip dysplasia,
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

Manx? Spina bifida, atresia ani, rectal prolapse, corneal dystrophy.

Persian? Chediak-Higashi syndrome, congenital ankyloblepharon, entropion,
congenital epiphora, primary glaucoma, mannosidosis, seborrhea,
polycystic kidney disease, peripheral pseudocysts, patellar luxation, hip
dysplasia.

Ragdoll? Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

Scottish Fold? Severe vertebral abnormalities, prognathis, incapacitating
joint diseasewith fold to fold breeding, polycystic kidney disease.

Siamese? Feline hyperesthesia syndrome, feline endocrine alopecia,
adenocarcinomasof the small intestine, mucopolysaccharidosis,
gangliosidosis, malignant mammary tumors, numerous congenital heart defects
(PDA, aortic stenosis, AV valve malformation, pyloric stenosis, etc),
primary endocardial fibroelastosis, strabismus, nystagmus,
sphingomyelinosis, hydrocephalus, asthma, mast cell tumors,
cutaneousasthenia, esophageal hypomotility, cutaneous mastocytomas,
hypotrichosis, glaucoma, cervical neck lesions, hip dysplasia

Somali? Gingivitis.

Sphinx? Spasticity, alopecia universalis.

Tonkinese? Susceptible to upper respiratory infection, sensitivity to
vaccines.

Do moggies sometimes have health problems - DUH! Do moggies have the number
and severity of health problems as pure-breds? NO! Is there any other
reason to breed these defects into companion animals except vanity? *NO*
*NO* *NO*. Even dog breeding has more of an excuse to exist because there
*are* breeds of dogs that serve useful, practical purposes (herding dogs,
rat terriers, etc.). But pure-bred cats have one purpose and one purpose
only - an expensive possession to show off to other snobs.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old July 8th 08, 07:06 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Tom Cat won't breed with in-season queen!??

In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:


Do moggies sometimes have health problems - DUH! Do moggies have the number
and severity of health problems as pure-breds? NO!


Where is the data?

Is there any other
reason to breed these defects into companion animals except vanity? *NO*
*NO* *NO*.


What are the odds of any given cat having those health problems?
Purebred vs mixed. Just because a health problem may be more likely in
some breeds doesn't make it a given, nor does it exclude mixed breeds.

But pure-bred cats have one purpose and one purpose
only - an expensive possession to show off to other snobs.


I disagree. *If* I were ever to get another cat (not planning on that
now, but my one is not quite 7, so hopefully he'll be around for many
years), it would probably be a Siberian. With my allergies, it
wouldn't be wise to continue to get mixed breed cats.

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Old July 8th 08, 07:12 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:


Do moggies sometimes have health problems - DUH! Do moggies have the
number
and severity of health problems as pure-breds? NO!


Where is the data?


You cannot be serious.

Do your own ****ing research.

You have to be a complete idiot not to know that reducing the gene pool
the way so many breeders have results in genetic abnormalities and
predilections to disease and deformity.


 




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