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dgk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let them roam. No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50 miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one). Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam, but that is not universal. Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post- script last night about urban versus rural living. If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are expendable anyway. Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places - any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and busy roads. To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next 150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live exactly like a colony of ants. Thank God I won't be around to see it I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing roaming cats: http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot, and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child. Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should we have laws that parents can't kill their own children? I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a liberal and not a libertarian. A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And, if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one either..... |
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"FragSinatra" NO it is finished you want to talk politics. Here is a answer to remember YOU ARE WRONG ALWAYS Politicians dont even know about politics and neither does anyone else except it is all lies and Bull****. This is a cat group remember that |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:10:17 -0400, "Matthew"
wrote: "FragSinatra" NO it is finished you want to talk politics. Here is a answer to remember YOU ARE WRONG ALWAYS Politicians dont even know about politics and neither does anyone else except it is all lies and Bull****. This is a cat group remember that I'm with you. -- |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:55:41 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote: dgk wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let them roam. No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50 miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one). Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam, but that is not universal. Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post- script last night about urban versus rural living. If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are expendable anyway. Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places - any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and busy roads. To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next 150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live exactly like a colony of ants. Thank God I won't be around to see it I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing roaming cats: http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot, and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child. Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should we have laws that parents can't kill their own children? I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a liberal and not a libertarian. A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And, if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one either..... I agree. |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:02:29 -0400, dgk wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:55:41 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let them roam. No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50 miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one). Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam, but that is not universal. Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post- script last night about urban versus rural living. If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are expendable anyway. Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places - any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and busy roads. To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next 150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live exactly like a colony of ants. Thank God I won't be around to see it I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing roaming cats: http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot, and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child. Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should we have laws that parents can't kill their own children? I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a liberal and not a libertarian. A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And, if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one either..... I agree. As I said, I don't want to turn this forum into a political bar room brawl, but if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will only transfer the issue to the states, and there will be plenty of them where abortion will be legal. Seems to me that I only see the craziness about abortion in the southern states - the ones where poverty and ignorance are the greatest. It doesn't happen in, say, California, New York or Massachusetts. Of course, it is up to the owner in the final analysis. Cats run wild. I see too many of them dead on the roads. I don't like that. I'm a puddy-tat lover. -- |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:23:47 -0700, Mack A. Damia
wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:02:29 -0400, dgk wrote: .... I agree. As I said, I don't want to turn this forum into a political bar room brawl, but if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will only transfer the issue to the states, and there will be plenty of them where abortion will be legal. Seems to me that I only see the craziness about abortion in the southern states - the ones where poverty and ignorance are the greatest. It doesn't happen in, say, California, New York or Massachusetts. Of course, it is up to the owner in the final analysis. Cats run wild. I see too many of them dead on the roads. I don't like that. I'm a puddy-tat lover. Yes, but most of them aren't pet cats roaming free, they're homeless. There are so many around where I live that I doubt there is a single mouse or rat to be found in the area. Still, it's sad and I wish I could do more but I try to do what I can. I'm facing a choice of taking in a nice cat that lives near me or leaving her on the street, where she's pretty streetwise, and getting one that is on death row at the local shelter. |
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Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:02:29 -0400, dgk wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:55:41 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk" wrote: Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let them roam. No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50 miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one). Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam, but that is not universal. Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post- script last night about urban versus rural living. If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are expendable anyway. Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places - any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and busy roads. To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next 150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live exactly like a colony of ants. Thank God I won't be around to see it I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing roaming cats: http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot, and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child. Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should we have laws that parents can't kill their own children? I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a liberal and not a libertarian. A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And, if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one either..... I agree. As I said, I don't want to turn this forum into a political bar room brawl, but if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will only transfer the issue to the states, and there will be plenty of them where abortion will be legal. Seems to me that I only see the craziness about abortion in the southern states - the ones where poverty and ignorance are the greatest. It doesn't happen in, say, California, New York or Massachusetts. Of course, it is up to the owner in the final analysis. Cats run wild. I see too many of them dead on the roads. I don't like that. I'm a puddy-tat lover. On this we agree... I don't like to swee them deaqd either. But there are things worse than death. We are all mortal, both cats and men. We all die. Of more importance than death is the way we live. Most cats are happy sleeping inside a warm house. But there are a few who are not happy doing that, and for theswe few, freedom is necessary. I had one for which this was true. I will never forget him. He was truly a "Cat for all seasons". |
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