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  #41  
Old October 17th 12, 11:55 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Bill Graham
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dgk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let
them roam.

No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50
miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The
dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one).

Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is
what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within
a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area
it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam,
but that is not universal.

Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post-
script last night about urban versus rural living.

If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm
cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are
expendable anyway.

Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from
inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places -
any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and
busy roads.


To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the
highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it
my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq
the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys
will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at
this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California
for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political
philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes
that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that
end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because
the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism
is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this
counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next
150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will
own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government
wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to
study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where
they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they
want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live
exactly like a colony of ants.
Thank God I won't be around to see it


I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add
an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law
by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing
roaming cats:

http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html

And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay
people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot,
and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child.

Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach
them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should
we have laws that parents can't kill their own children?

I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a
liberal and not a libertarian.


A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing
libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could
care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the
peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one
thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The
Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away
from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this
decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and
three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And,
if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your
cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one
either.....

  #42  
Old October 18th 12, 12:10 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Matthew[_3_]
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"FragSinatra"


NO it is finished you want to talk politics. Here is a answer to remember
YOU ARE WRONG ALWAYS

Politicians dont even know about politics and neither does anyone else
except it is all lies and Bull****.

This is a cat group remember that


  #43  
Old October 18th 12, 12:43 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Mack A. Damia
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:10:17 -0400, "Matthew"
wrote:


"FragSinatra"


NO it is finished you want to talk politics. Here is a answer to remember
YOU ARE WRONG ALWAYS

Politicians dont even know about politics and neither does anyone else
except it is all lies and Bull****.

This is a cat group remember that


I'm with you.

--

  #44  
Old October 18th 12, 06:02 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
dgk
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:55:41 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

dgk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let
them roam.

No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50
miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The
dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one).

Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is
what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within
a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area
it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam,
but that is not universal.

Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post-
script last night about urban versus rural living.

If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm
cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are
expendable anyway.

Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from
inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places -
any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and
busy roads.

To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the
highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it
my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq
the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys
will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at
this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California
for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political
philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes
that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that
end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because
the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism
is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this
counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next
150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will
own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government
wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to
study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where
they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they
want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live
exactly like a colony of ants.
Thank God I won't be around to see it


I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add
an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law
by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing
roaming cats:

http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html

And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay
people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot,
and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child.

Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach
them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should
we have laws that parents can't kill their own children?

I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a
liberal and not a libertarian.


A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing
libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could
care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the
peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one
thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The
Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away
from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this
decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and
three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And,
if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your
cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one
either.....



I agree.
  #45  
Old October 18th 12, 06:23 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Mack A. Damia
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Posts: 212
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:02:29 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:55:41 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

dgk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to let
them roam.

No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are 50
miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor. The
dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common for one).

Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is
what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways within
a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In *my* area
it would not be the most responsible of behavior to let them roam,
but that is not universal.

Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post-
script last night about urban versus rural living.

If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm
cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats are
expendable anyway.

Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from
inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places -
any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and
busy roads.

To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the
highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it
my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq
the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys
will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at
this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California
for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political
philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It believes
that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works toward that
end every moment of every day. It hates our constitution, because
the framers of that document were libertarians, and libertarianism
is the exact opposite of liberalism. In the last 150 years, this
counjtry has gove from libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next
150 years we will become completely socialized. The government will
own and control everything. We will go to the schools the government
wants us to go to, study the subjects the government wants us to
study (by their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where
they want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they
want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally live
exactly like a colony of ants.
Thank God I won't be around to see it

I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will add
an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto of a law
by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject of outlawing
roaming cats:

http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html

And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay
people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot,
and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child.

Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not teach
them science even though it may contradict religous teachings? Should
we have laws that parents can't kill their own children?

I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad I'm a
liberal and not a libertarian.


A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing
libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and I could
care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the rights given to the
peopole under the constitution have some limitations. Age limits for one
thing. A chuld cannot vote or do some other things that adults can do. The
Roe vs. Wade decision of the Supreme Court also took the right to life away
from human beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this
decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere, and
three months was a pretty good place. Please don't throw me into a bag. And,
if you admit that5 there could be circumstances where it is OK to allow your
cat to leave the house unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one
either.....



I agree.


As I said, I don't want to turn this forum into a political bar room
brawl, but if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will only transfer the
issue to the states, and there will be plenty of them where abortion
will be legal. Seems to me that I only see the craziness about
abortion in the southern states - the ones where poverty and ignorance
are the greatest. It doesn't happen in, say, California, New York or
Massachusetts.

Of course, it is up to the owner in the final analysis. Cats run
wild. I see too many of them dead on the roads. I don't like that.

I'm a puddy-tat lover.
--


  #46  
Old October 19th 12, 02:31 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
dgk
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Posts: 2,268
Default Adventurous cat

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:23:47 -0700, Mack A. Damia
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:02:29 -0400, dgk wrote:

....

I agree.


As I said, I don't want to turn this forum into a political bar room
brawl, but if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will only transfer the
issue to the states, and there will be plenty of them where abortion
will be legal. Seems to me that I only see the craziness about
abortion in the southern states - the ones where poverty and ignorance
are the greatest. It doesn't happen in, say, California, New York or
Massachusetts.

Of course, it is up to the owner in the final analysis. Cats run
wild. I see too many of them dead on the roads. I don't like that.

I'm a puddy-tat lover.


Yes, but most of them aren't pet cats roaming free, they're homeless.
There are so many around where I live that I doubt there is a single
mouse or rat to be found in the area. Still, it's sad and I wish I
could do more but I try to do what I can. I'm facing a choice of
taking in a nice cat that lives near me or leaving her on the street,
where she's pretty streetwise, and getting one that is on death row at
the local shelter.
  #47  
Old October 19th 12, 11:35 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Bill Graham
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Posts: 1,065
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Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:02:29 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:55:41 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

dgk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:51:50 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:29:01 -0500, "cshenk"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

Then you don't truly love your cats. It's animal cruelty to
let them roam.

No it isn't. Not all of us live in big cities. Some of us are
50 miles from an interstate and 3-20 from the nearest neighbor.
The dangers in rural area can vary (wild animals more common
for one).

Now I live in a big city and have only indoor cats, but that is
what works when you have 1 interstate and 3 55mph highways
within a mile of your house (one is less than 300 yards). In
*my* area it would not be the most responsible of behavior to
let them roam, but that is not universal.

Yeah; there are always exceptions, and I was going to add a post-
script last night about urban versus rural living.

If there are no heavily-traveled roads nearby - then maybe. Farm
cats keep down the rodent population. Well, I guess farm cats
are expendable anyway.

Never had the pleasure. I'm talking about all the way from
inner-city homes to semi-rural/next-to-a-suburb kinds of places -
any place where there are a lot of animals roaming the area and
busy roads.

To a true liberal, there are no exceptionws. It's "My way or the
highway", and I'm gonna make a law that says everyone has to do it
my way. I lived and worked with these people for 40 years. I knowq
the way they think and what a pain in the ass they are. You guys
will have to do an awful lot of hand waving to change my mind at
this point. I am 77 years old, and lived and worked in California
for about 40 years. Liberaliswm is a mindset, and not a political
philosophy. It loves regulation and hates individualism. It
believes that the perfect society is an ant colony, and it works
toward that end every moment of every day. It hates our
constitution, because the framers of that document were
libertarians, and libertarianism is the exact opposite of
liberalism. In the last 150 years, this counjtry has gove from
libertarianism to 50% socialism. In the next 150 years we will
become completely socialized. The government will own and control
everything. We will go to the schools the government wants us to
go to, study the subjects the government wants us to study (by
their tests and evaluations of our abilities) work where they
want us to work, live where they want us to live, eat what they
want us to eat, wear what they want us to wear, and generally
live exactly like a colony of ants.
Thank God I won't be around to see it

I disagree completely but that is the nature of newsgroups. I will
add an on topic link that was requested elsewhere, noting a veto
of a law by noted liberal governer Adlai Stephenson on the subject
of outlawing roaming cats:

http://www.bartleby.com/73/163.html

And it is conservatives who rule that marriage isn't meant for gay
people, and conservatives that make it illegal for me to smoke pot,
and conservatives who want a raped woman to bear the child.

Should society not force children to go to school? Should we not
teach them science even though it may contradict religous
teachings? Should we have laws that parents can't kill their own
children?

I suppose a true libertarian rejects all of these? Then I'm glad
I'm a liberal and not a libertarian.

A true libertarian does not reject these things. You are confusing
libertarians with religious nut conservatives. I am an atheist, and
I could care less about the marriage laws. I believe that the
rights given to the peopole under the constitution have some
limitations. Age limits for one thing. A chuld cannot vote or do
some other things that adults can do. The Roe vs. Wade decision of
the Supreme Court also took the right to life away from human
beings before the first trimester of pregnancy. I agree with this
decision. It is arbitrary, but the line needed to be drawn
somewhere, and three months was a pretty good place. Please don't
throw me into a bag. And, if you admit that5 there could be
circumstances where it is OK to allow your cat to leave the house
unjder his own power, I won't throw you into one either.....



I agree.


As I said, I don't want to turn this forum into a political bar room
brawl, but if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will only transfer the
issue to the states, and there will be plenty of them where abortion
will be legal. Seems to me that I only see the craziness about
abortion in the southern states - the ones where poverty and ignorance
are the greatest. It doesn't happen in, say, California, New York or
Massachusetts.

Of course, it is up to the owner in the final analysis. Cats run
wild. I see too many of them dead on the roads. I don't like that.

I'm a puddy-tat lover.


On this we agree... I don't like to swee them deaqd either.
But there are things worse than death.

We are all mortal, both cats and men. We all die. Of more importance than
death is the way we live. Most cats are happy sleeping inside a warm house.
But there are a few who are not happy doing that, and for theswe few,
freedom is necessary. I had one for which this was true. I will never forget
him. He was truly a "Cat for all seasons".

 




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