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"The pet food linked to the deaths of 16 animals has shown no signs of contamination, the manufacturer says, and the company cannot explain why the cats and dog developed acute kidney failure and died." So... is it that the company "can't" explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths, or that the company WON'T explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths of these animals (illnesses deaths, I might add, that have been linked to this company's FOOD!)?? CheesenCrackers... gimme a friggin' break. --- (Unca) Cory |
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Cory wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17724565/ "The pet food linked to the deaths of 16 animals has shown no signs of contamination, the manufacturer says, and the company cannot explain why the cats and dog developed acute kidney failure and died." So... is it that the company "can't" explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths, or that the company WON'T explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths of these animals (illnesses deaths, I might add, that have been linked to this company's FOOD!)?? CheesenCrackers... gimme a friggin' break. It looks bad. I guess we can't totally rule out the possibility of sabotage from a competitor, but we may never know what happened without an independent investigation and there has been more than enough time to cover any tracks there might have been. No company should be left to investigate itself in these matters. When a murderer kills someone, do they have the murderer investigate the crime? I think there might be trouble getting a conviction in such a case, just as we see here. They have also been talking about tracing the trouble back to wheat gluten or some other supplied product like that. What if it were simply unsanitary conditions in their own factory? You would think they'd investigate that, but did they? If they did, did they do it properly and with thoroughness? What might be their motivation for doing so? There's not much to credit this company. -- Regards, Fred |
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On 21 Mar 2007 14:25:56 -0700, "Cory" wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17724565/ "The pet food linked to the deaths of 16 animals has shown no signs of contamination, the manufacturer says, and the company cannot explain why the cats and dog developed acute kidney failure and died." So... is it that the company "can't" explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths, or that the company WON'T explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths of these animals (illnesses deaths, I might add, that have been linked to this company's FOOD!)?? CheesenCrackers... gimme a friggin' break. --- (Unca) Cory There is a class action lawsuit on file, now. That's good news. This company knew about the problem back in DECEMBER. But they CHOSE to cover it up, and delay the expensive recall, resulting in an unknown number of cat and dog deaths. I hope an animal loving judge throws the book, and printing press it was made on, at these cat and dog murderers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Life without cats would be only marginally worth living." -TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie. How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven. - Robert Heinlein Life is very difficult. Once you understand that, life becomes easier. -Buddha |
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On Mar 21, 8:00 pm, Fred wrote:
Cory wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17724565/ "The pet food linked to the deaths of 16 animals has shown no signs of contamination, the manufacturer says, and the company cannot explain why the cats and dog developed acute kidney failure and died." So... is it that the company "can't" explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths, or that the company WON'T explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths of these animals (illnesses deaths, I might add, that have been linked to this company's FOOD!)?? CheesenCrackers... gimme a friggin' break. It looks bad. Uh-huh... I guess we can't totally rule out the possibility of sabotage from a competitor, That's something I hadn't thought about, frankly. However, I think you can still announce a recall in a TIMELY fashion and investigate behind the scenes whether sabotage was involved while the recall is happening. This company CHOSE not to do that. Instead, they chose to SIT on what they knew and let all hell break loose. The problem even killed something like 9 animals in company taste testing and the company DIDN'T SAY A WORD about it. I personally find that kind of behavior criminal, and absolutely abhorrent. Anyway, by sitting on the problem as long as they apparently did, they, in effect, "extended" their liability for the deaths and illnesses that the contaminated food sitting on store shelves had caused BEFORE they announced the recall. If you ask me, THAT is an astronomical legal mistake to make. This whole fiasco may end up costing the company more than they realize right now, if all of the class action lawsuits that are looming out there are certified and go to trial. but we may never know what happened without an independent investigation and there has been more than enough time to cover any tracks there might have been. No company should be left to investigate itself in these matters. When a murderer kills someone, do they have the murderer investigate the crime? I think there might be trouble getting a conviction in such a case, just as we see here. ICAM, Fred. They have also been talking about tracing the trouble back to wheat gluten or some other supplied product like that. What if it were simply unsanitary conditions in their own factory? You would think they'd investigate that, but did they? Regardless of whether they did or didn't take into account sanitary conditions at their own factory as the cause of the problem, it would be too late to do anything about it now. I'm sure that as soon as word got out, that factory was sanitized top to bottom, and no one was ever the wiser about any unsanitary conditions in that company's plant. The way this whole thing was handled was blown from start to where we are now (and we are by NO means at the finish line here). If they did, did they do it properly and with thoroughness? What might be their motivation for doing so? There's not much to credit this company. -- Regards, Fred --- Cory |
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On Mar 22, 1:44 am, (Gandalf) wrote:
I hope an animal loving judge throws the book, and printing press it was made on, at these cat and dog murderers. The sad thing is, because these are animals and not human beings, there are very few laws on the books to protect them. Heck, even the laws that ARE on the books have very flimsy penalties. All you would have to do to confirm that is look at the penalties handed out in such cases as Olivia's case http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-5246285.html (is there a better link to her story somewhere?), or the Noah's Ark shelter case http:// www.noahsark.org/about/ourstory.htm. In the Noah's Ark case, two men were found guilty of killing 18 cats and injuring many more. "They were sentenced (on December 19, 1997) to four years in prison, then suspended to be four years on the youthful offender program, three years probation, 23 days in county jail and $5-6000 in fines plus prosecution's court costs, including mandatory psychological counseling." (Courtesy of http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/41/IA/US/ ) I can't even find the name(s) of the person(s) who set Olivia on fire and killed her, much less any information about what punishment THEY were given for THEIR heinous crime. IIRC, the punishment certainly did not fit the crime committed. It's disgusting in this day and age that our animals are still viewed as pieces of property instead of loving, valuable members of our families. --- Cory |
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On Mar 22, 9:04 am, "Cory" wrote:
Olivia, a black cat who was set afire in 1997 by two Indiana University students... I can't even find the name(s) of the person(s) who set Olivia on fire and killed her, much less any information about what punishment THEY were given for THEIR heinous crime. IIRC, the punishment certainly did not fit the crime committed. It's disgusting in this day and age that our animals are still viewed as pieces of property instead of loving, valuable members of our families. --- Cory Er... I found out about 'em... and about the disposition of the case... "Blake Case and Errett Rouch, both 19 and both freshmen, are accused of luring Olivia and 3 other cats into a fenced-in yard, dousing them with an accelerant and setting them on fire. At his trial, Case told the court he and 3 others, doused 2 opossums, a raccoon and 2 cats with lighter fluid after catching them in a trap and set them on fire. He denied any involvement in the torture of Olivia. Judge James Harris of Morgan County Circuit Court sentenced Case to a $100 fine, plus court costs in addition to his indeterminate jail term. Case could spend up to a year in jail. Case's jail term was listed as indeterminate because he continued to have loud obnoxious parties, litter in the street and completely ignored the Bloomington Police when they were investigating according Trumpy's owner. Errett Rouch was also sentenced to 1 year in jail on 5/21/1998." Courtesy of... http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/21/IN/US/1 --- Cory |
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Tthe thing we can do is not buy any of their products. There are still many
out there that were not affected. Like all of us in business, if the bottom line hurts, they hurt. "Cory" wrote in message ps.com... On Mar 21, 8:00 pm, Fred wrote: Cory wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17724565/ "The pet food linked to the deaths of 16 animals has shown no signs of contamination, the manufacturer says, and the company cannot explain why the cats and dog developed acute kidney failure and died." So... is it that the company "can't" explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths, or that the company WON'T explain what caused the acute kidney failure and deaths of these animals (illnesses deaths, I might add, that have been linked to this company's FOOD!)?? CheesenCrackers... gimme a friggin' break. It looks bad. Uh-huh... I guess we can't totally rule out the possibility of sabotage from a competitor, That's something I hadn't thought about, frankly. However, I think you can still announce a recall in a TIMELY fashion and investigate behind the scenes whether sabotage was involved while the recall is happening. This company CHOSE not to do that. Instead, they chose to SIT on what they knew and let all hell break loose. The problem even killed something like 9 animals in company taste testing and the company DIDN'T SAY A WORD about it. I personally find that kind of behavior criminal, and absolutely abhorrent. Anyway, by sitting on the problem as long as they apparently did, they, in effect, "extended" their liability for the deaths and illnesses that the contaminated food sitting on store shelves had caused BEFORE they announced the recall. If you ask me, THAT is an astronomical legal mistake to make. This whole fiasco may end up costing the company more than they realize right now, if all of the class action lawsuits that are looming out there are certified and go to trial. but we may never know what happened without an independent investigation and there has been more than enough time to cover any tracks there might have been. No company should be left to investigate itself in these matters. When a murderer kills someone, do they have the murderer investigate the crime? I think there might be trouble getting a conviction in such a case, just as we see here. ICAM, Fred. They have also been talking about tracing the trouble back to wheat gluten or some other supplied product like that. What if it were simply unsanitary conditions in their own factory? You would think they'd investigate that, but did they? Regardless of whether they did or didn't take into account sanitary conditions at their own factory as the cause of the problem, it would be too late to do anything about it now. I'm sure that as soon as word got out, that factory was sanitized top to bottom, and no one was ever the wiser about any unsanitary conditions in that company's plant. The way this whole thing was handled was blown from start to where we are now (and we are by NO means at the finish line here). If they did, did they do it properly and with thoroughness? What might be their motivation for doing so? There's not much to credit this company. -- Regards, Fred --- Cory |
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Per the ABC evening news ...Charlie Gibson...Wednesday night a report
from a vet who consults a website (sorry, I didn't catch the name) whch reported 250 animal deaths so far. Tonite, a report from the largest animal hospital in New York, with 200 in just their facility; the vet said the numbers could be in the thousands. A number of laboratories around the country are testing for the source...possibly heavy metals, or even some insecticide residue on the wheat. Two very good reports, but no answers yet. And how many people looked up the recalled foods? The media should have shown the list every day, rather than just give the website...which was not up to date the first day. |
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Many of the people I know are older, past 60 and don't have computers.
There should be a printing. I have printed and copied for everyone I know and the others who hear and ask. My vets office also has lists for people to check. "Paulette" wrote in message ... Per the ABC evening news ...Charlie Gibson...Wednesday night a report from a vet who consults a website (sorry, I didn't catch the name) whch reported 250 animal deaths so far. Tonite, a report from the largest animal hospital in New York, with 200 in just their facility; the vet said the numbers could be in the thousands. A number of laboratories around the country are testing for the source...possibly heavy metals, or even some insecticide residue on the wheat. Two very good reports, but no answers yet. And how many people looked up the recalled foods? The media should have shown the list every day, rather than just give the website...which was not up to date the first day. |
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I would at least like to see Iams, Hills, some of the others that had
contracts with Menu Foods announce that they're going to start using a different contract supplier. Julie Anyway, by sitting on the problem as long as they apparently did, they, in effect, "extended" their liability for the deaths and illnesses that the contaminated food sitting on store shelves had caused BEFORE they announced the recall. If you ask me, THAT is an astronomical legal mistake to make. This whole fiasco may end up costing the company more than they realize right now, if all of the class action lawsuits that are looming out there are certified and go to trial. |
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