Liz's Food recommendations

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GAUBSTER2 composed with style:

You ARE a jerk. I suppose there are worst adjectives I could use,
but I'll just stick w/ that. You've proven it time and time again.

WTF do I care what you think of me? Hmm? You opinion about
everything I've seen is crap.

I've refrained from labeling you so far because I'm trying to
exercise restraint rather than a knee-jerk reaction which you
"ladies" here a term used quite loosely can't seem to do.

No, you haven't refrained from anything. Why do you think this
continues not only with me but everyone else that you've butted heads
with? You're an obnoxious asshole and you seem to think the ideas
you've leached from some other people are fact and should hold true in
every situation.

From: "Cheryl"

GAUBSTER2 composed with style:

You ARE a jerk. I suppose there are worst adjectives I could use,
but I'll just stick w/ that. You've proven it time and time again.

WTF do I care what you think of me? Hmm? You opinion about
everything I've seen is crap.

I've refrained from labeling you so far because I'm trying to
exercise restraint rather than a knee-jerk reaction which you
"ladies" here can't seem to do.

No, you haven't refrained from anything. Why do you think this
continues not only with me but everyone else that you've butted heads
with? You're an obnoxious asshole and you seem to think the ideas
you've leached from some other people are fact and should hold true in
every situation.

I think you've described Gaubster2 to a T, Cheryl, although "obnoxious asshole"
is an understatement.
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See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: "Cheryl"

GAUBSTER2 composed with style:

You ARE a jerk. I suppose there are worst adjectives I could use,
but I'll just stick w/ that. You've proven it time and time again.

WTF do I care what you think of me? Hmm? You opinion about
everything I've seen is crap.

I've refrained from labeling you so far because I'm trying to
exercise restraint rather than a knee-jerk reaction which you
"ladies" here can't seem to do.

No, you haven't refrained from anything. Why do you think this
continues not only with me but everyone else that you've butted heads
with? You're an obnoxious asshole and you seem to think the ideas
you've leached from some other people are fact and should hold true in
every situation.

I think you've described Gaubster2 to a T, Cheryl, although "obnoxious asshole"
is an understatement.
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: (GAUBSTER2)

I've honestly never seen you post any links. So what links have you ever
provided?

You've claimed ignorance before when Steve Crane called you out. Do a google
search and find out for yourself. I'm not going to waste my time going
through
numerous posts to prove you wrong again. I have nothing to gain by wasting
more of my time w/ you.

Then stop replying to my posts, asshole. I'm not going to waste my time
looking for what I'm sure are non-existent links you claim to have posted. I
think the only link you may have ever posted is one about bacteria in feces,
which proved your post wrong, BTW.

Lauren
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See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: (GAUBSTER2)

I've honestly never seen you post any links. So what links have you ever
provided?

You've claimed ignorance before when Steve Crane called you out. Do a google
search and find out for yourself. I'm not going to waste my time going
through
numerous posts to prove you wrong again. I have nothing to gain by wasting
more of my time w/ you.

Then stop replying to my posts, asshole. I'm not going to waste my time
looking for what I'm sure are non-existent links you claim to have posted. I
think the only link you may have ever posted is one about bacteria in feces,
which proved your post wrong, BTW.

Lauren
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See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

The point is that's not true. Steve is saying that ALS foods are
re-labelled kitten foods.

If Science Diet called their kitten foods All Life Stages, which they
certainly can, would it make you feel better?

"Karen M." wrote in message
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Once again, comparing "all stages" to "kitten" food. While an ALS food
will be formulated to *meet* growth needs *and* accomodate maintenance,
a specifically *kitten* food will be formulated specifically for
*kittens*, and therefore contain higher protein. Once again, they are
*not* the same. So keep waiting for that apology. I stand by what I
stated previously.

Steve Crane wrote:

(Karen M.) wrote in message
. com...

(Steve Crane) wrote in message
. com...


No, it is *not*. Go back and read the information in your *own* post,
and re-read my reply. You obviously aren't reading it correctly. And
regardless of this entire argument,



Karen, here are the original numbers posted.
As you can see the Science Diet products are indeed lower in carbs.
I'll accept you apology anytime for not reading the numbers correctly.
Clearly the Felidae and Wellness products are HIGHER carbs than
equivalent Science Diet products and thus contain more of that dreaded
evil grain.

Felidae Dry: protein 32.0%, fat 20.0%, fiber 2.5%,
moisture 9.0%, ash 5.5% Total 69% 100-69 = 31% carbohydrates

Wellness Dry: Protein 33.0%, fat 19.0%, fiber 5.0%, Moisture 10.0%,
Ash 6.0% Total 73% 100-73 = 27% carbohydrates

Science Diet Feline Kitten Protein 33%, fat 23%, fiber 3%, moisture
10%, ash 7% Total = 76% thus this food is 24% carbs.

Science Diet Nature's Best Feline Kitten Protein 35%, fat 22%, fiber
2%, moisture 10%, ash 6% Total = 75% thus this food is 25% carbs.

The point is that's not true. Steve is saying that ALS foods are
re-labelled kitten foods.

If Science Diet called their kitten foods All Life Stages, which they
certainly can, would it make you feel better?

"Karen M." wrote in message
...
Once again, comparing "all stages" to "kitten" food. While an ALS food
will be formulated to *meet* growth needs *and* accomodate maintenance,
a specifically *kitten* food will be formulated specifically for
*kittens*, and therefore contain higher protein. Once again, they are
*not* the same. So keep waiting for that apology. I stand by what I
stated previously.

Steve Crane wrote:

(Karen M.) wrote in message
. com...

(Steve Crane) wrote in message
. com...


No, it is *not*. Go back and read the information in your *own* post,
and re-read my reply. You obviously aren't reading it correctly. And
regardless of this entire argument,



Karen, here are the original numbers posted.
As you can see the Science Diet products are indeed lower in carbs.
I'll accept you apology anytime for not reading the numbers correctly.
Clearly the Felidae and Wellness products are HIGHER carbs than
equivalent Science Diet products and thus contain more of that dreaded
evil grain.

Felidae Dry: protein 32.0%, fat 20.0%, fiber 2.5%,
moisture 9.0%, ash 5.5% Total 69% 100-69 = 31% carbohydrates

Wellness Dry: Protein 33.0%, fat 19.0%, fiber 5.0%, Moisture 10.0%,
Ash 6.0% Total 73% 100-73 = 27% carbohydrates

Science Diet Feline Kitten Protein 33%, fat 23%, fiber 3%, moisture
10%, ash 7% Total = 76% thus this food is 24% carbs.

Science Diet Nature's Best Feline Kitten Protein 35%, fat 22%, fiber
2%, moisture 10%, ash 6% Total = 75% thus this food is 25% carbs.

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
From: (Steve Crane)

Karen, here are the original numbers posted.
As you can see the Science Diet products are indeed lower in carbs.
I'll accept you apology anytime for not reading the numbers correctly.
Clearly the Felidae and Wellness products are HIGHER carbs than
equivalent Science Diet products and thus contain more of that dreaded
evil grain.

Felidae Dry: protein 32.0%, fat 20.0%, fiber 2.5%,
moisture 9.0%, ash 5.5% Total 69% 100-69 = 31% carbohydrates

Wellness Dry: Protein 33.0%, fat 19.0%, fiber 5.0%, Moisture 10.0%,
Ash 6.0% Total 73% 100-73 = 27% carbohydrates

Science Diet Feline Kitten Protein 33%, fat 23%, fiber 3%, moisture
10%, ash 7% Total = 76% thus this food is 24% carbs.

Science Diet Nature's Best Feline Kitten Protein 35%, fat 22%, fiber
2%, moisture 10%, ash 6% Total = 75% thus this food is 25% carbs.

Why are you comparing to Scie Diet kitten food?
________

Because those are "All Life Stages" foods, which means they've passed AAFCO
kitten food standards, not adult food.

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
From: (Steve Crane)

Karen, here are the original numbers posted.
As you can see the Science Diet products are indeed lower in carbs.
I'll accept you apology anytime for not reading the numbers correctly.
Clearly the Felidae and Wellness products are HIGHER carbs than
equivalent Science Diet products and thus contain more of that dreaded
evil grain.

Felidae Dry: protein 32.0%, fat 20.0%, fiber 2.5%,
moisture 9.0%, ash 5.5% Total 69% 100-69 = 31% carbohydrates

Wellness Dry: Protein 33.0%, fat 19.0%, fiber 5.0%, Moisture 10.0%,
Ash 6.0% Total 73% 100-73 = 27% carbohydrates

Science Diet Feline Kitten Protein 33%, fat 23%, fiber 3%, moisture
10%, ash 7% Total = 76% thus this food is 24% carbs.

Science Diet Nature's Best Feline Kitten Protein 35%, fat 22%, fiber
2%, moisture 10%, ash 6% Total = 75% thus this food is 25% carbs.

Why are you comparing to Scie Diet kitten food?
________

Because those are "All Life Stages" foods, which means they've passed AAFCO
kitten food standards, not adult food.

"Karen M." wrote in message
...
Go wank yourself. There's obviously a *big* difference of opinion here,
I don't consider "all life stages" to be kitten food, *exclusively*
kitten foods have more protein, therefore they are not comparable.
Period. Now, go back and re-read my first sentence.


Funny that the Felidae and Wellness have more protein than the Science Diet
then, right?