Feline Bladder Inflamation

On Apr 9, 11:12*am, "Phil P." wrote:
"Rene S." wrote in message

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Wellness uses garlic in most of their diets. That doesn't seem to bother
the
diehard Wellness fans. Wellness also doesn't make their own food. So
quality control is, at the very least, difficult or nonexistant. That
doesn't seem to bother the diehard Wellness fans either. Wellness is made
by
a generic petfood manufacturer- Menu Foods. I'm sure we all heard of Menu
Foods and their lack of quality control.

I don't trust Wellness- and I never will. They lied to me several times
about making their own food and their ingredients.
Phil,
This is not true. I did a quick search of the ingredient lists of the
Wellness dry and canned foods for cats and garlic is not listed.
http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_w...can_index.html

.http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_w...dry_index.html

Oh yes it certainly is true! Try reading the label on the can.....

http://maxshouse.com/wellnesschickenlable.jpg

Wellness probably took garlic off the ingredients list on their website
because they probably received numerous emails from people who are
knowledgeable about feline nutrition, but left in the food because they know
most people don't read the labels.

I told you Wellness is sleazy company. Still trust them?

Wellness has stated that, as of December 2007, they no longer adding
garlic to their cat foods. There still may be some product from the
last manufacturing run on the shelves, but all product with an
expiration date of Dec. 2010 and forward does not have garlic in it.
Garlic is not listed on the label.

The link you posted clearly stated that curcumin is a
polyphenol. According to the definitions I found (of which there are
many,) phenols and polyphenols are two entirely different things.

Did you not read the Merck chemical analysis of Curcumin???.

"2744. Curcumin.
(EE)-1,7-Bis(4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenyl)-1,6*heptadiene-3,5-dione, turmeric
yellow; diferuloylmethane; C.I. 75300; C.I. Natural Yellow 3. C21H2006; mol
wt 368.39." The Merck Index, 12th ed, p.450

If you can provide specific cites that say *specifically* that
curcumin is toxic to cats, I'll be happy to look at them. If not,
then*there is really*nothing more to discuss.

"Rene S." wrote in message
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The link you posted clearly stated that curcumin is a
polyphenol. According to the definitions I found (of which there are
many,) phenols and polyphenols are two entirely different things.

Did you not read the Merck chemical analysis of Curcumin???.

"2744. Curcumin.
(EE)-1,7-Bis(4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenyl)-1,6*heptadiene-3,5-dione, turmeric
yellow; diferuloylmethane; C.I. 75300; C.I. Natural Yellow 3. C21H2006;
mol
wt 368.39." The Merck Index, 12th ed, p.450

If you can provide specific cites that say *specifically* that
curcumin is toxic to cats, I'll be happy to look at them.

Mind boggling! lol


If not,
then there is really nothing more to discuss.

...obviously not with your head in the sand-- or should I say up your.. no, I
won't say that.

"Rene S." wrote in message
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On Apr 9, 11:12 am, "Phil P." wrote:
"Rene S." wrote in message

...

Wellness uses garlic in most of their diets. That doesn't seem to bother
the
diehard Wellness fans. Wellness also doesn't make their own food. So
quality control is, at the very least, difficult or nonexistant. That
doesn't seem to bother the diehard Wellness fans either. Wellness is
made
by
a generic petfood manufacturer- Menu Foods. I'm sure we all heard of
Menu
Foods and their lack of quality control.

I don't trust Wellness- and I never will. They lied to me several times
about making their own food and their ingredients.
Phil,
This is not true. I did a quick search of the ingredient lists of the
Wellness dry and canned foods for cats and garlic is not listed.
http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_w...can_index.html

.http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_w...dry_index.html

Oh yes it certainly is true! Try reading the label on the can.....

http://maxshouse.com/wellnesschickenlable.jpg

Wellness probably took garlic off the ingredients list on their website
because they probably received numerous emails from people who are
knowledgeable about feline nutrition, but left in the food because they
know
most people don't read the labels.

I told you Wellness is sleazy company. Still trust them?

Wellness has stated that, as of December 2007, they no longer adding
garlic to their cat foods. There still may be some product from the
last manufacturing run on the shelves, but all product with an
expiration date of Dec. 2010 and forward does not have garlic in it.
Garlic is not listed on the label.

I guess Wellness *did* receive a lot of complaints about the garlic.

Don't you think they should have stated that on their website since there
are still hundreds of tons of pre Dec 2010 product on the shelves? People
who rely on the ingredients lists on their website (like YOU! lol) will not
be getting the product they think they are. Kinda deceptive, don't you
think?

If that's true- which I won't believe until I see it- (I don't trust
anything Wellness says), just think, it took, what 10 years and probably
thousands of complaints for them to finally take the garlic out of their cat
foods. ---and you still trust the company? lol

"Rene S." wrote in message
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I refuse to believe they are using a compound to potentially help cats
that would be toxic to them,

Why wouldn't you? Vets, pharmaceutical companies and petfood manufacturers
have been doing it for years. Many drugs and compounds used to treat
illnesses have adverse effects that are worse than the disease they're
designed to treat.

and I would tend to believe someone with
the plethora of impressive credentials Dr. Wynn has over some dude on
the internet.

I hate to break your heart Darlin', but I didn't write the quotes I posted.
But since you think credentials guarantee credibility- which they don't-
I'll list the authors of the quotes for your drooling pleasu

The first one was written by Konnie H. Plumlee, DVM, MS, DipI ABVT, ACVIM
(Dipl ABVT stands for Diplomate, American Board of Veterinary Toxicologists,
Dipl ACVIM stands for Diplomate, American College of Veterinary
Internal Medicine- that's on the top shelf of veterinary credentials)

The second was written by Roger W. Gfeffer, DVM Diplomate, American College
of Veterinary Emergency and Critical Care,

and the third one was written by David C. Dorfman, DVM., Ph.D., Dipl. ABVT,
(another Diplomate, American Board of Veterinary Toxicologists).

Sorry, babe, but two double-boarded Veterinary Toxicologists and an ACVECC
Dipl trumps some chick on the internet with a Pet Owners Home Veterinary
Handbook.

You might want to upgrade your pet owner's paperbacks to a real veterinary
physiology text-- or two. Duke's and Cunningham's are pretty good. This way
you'll learn why many substances that are harmless to most species are toxic
to cats-- and we won't have to have this discussion again.