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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
Yowie wrote:
"Debbie Wilson" wrote in message ... Yowie wrote: Tonight, sadly, will be her last night here. Where is she going after that? As others have said - please don't dump her as she isn't a feral cat, and she will die, and please hold out for a home for her, either via the Cat Protection Society, or in a farm or stables environment, which would be ideal for her. No doubt the CPS would take her as soon as they can but being in a similar group here, foster spaces don't appear at the drop of a hat. Can you borrow the crate again or give IBK a room to live in as a temporary measure? If I wasn't halfway round the world, I would certainly take her. *Something* must have triggered her to go for your thumb, she surely didn't just leap out of nowhere and go for you? Thats *exactly* what she did. I reached down to pick up a book to read, and she launched herself at me. I know about overstiulated cats, I can read the signs in Shmogg well. I didn' scare here, wasn't roughhousing with her, wasn't doing anythign with or to her. But you did set him off even if you don't realize it. If you made a sudden unexpected move it can set a fearful cat or other cat off. It has happened with my male cat at times in the past before I trained him out of it - and he was NEVER a feral cat or lived out on his own. I rescued him when he was seven weeks old in the out before he had been there for long. I still say you are jumping the gun here and should TRY and work with IBK. Also the recommendation to take him to the vet for a checkup is a good one. Perhaps he is in pain that it not apparent to you. Especially if he has never attacked this viciously in the past. Please exhaust other options before you give IBK up - especially the vet checkup! |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2006-05-21, rrb penned: Did he just come up and attack or were you petting him? If you were petting him he probably did it because you didn't notice the warning signs that he had too much so he attacked. If this is the case it is possibly to learn to avoid this in the future. Now as for Cary I and this happening I have no advise if he is too young to explain this to. I don't know. Oscar can go from purring to hissing with no middle ground. She's bitten me, but never drawn blood. Perhaps since I did not see the incident you are referring to. But I bet there was at least some sign even if you didn't notice it. Sometimes it can be almost unnoticeable if you aren't looking for it. My male cat was like that but by paying attention to small signs he gave I soon was able to avoid these situations and stop them before they started 99 % of the time. |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
Yowie wrote:
"rrb" wrote in message news:gy4cg.3306$rS6.337@fed1read11... Yowie wrote: Please purr she finds a home more suitable to her wild nature (if you know of one around Wollongong, Australia, please let me know). Every extra hour here increases the risk she might severely hurt and/or maim Cary, so she's got to go ASAP. Tonight, sadly, will be her last night here. Why the rush - can't you segregate IBK away from Cary for a while - at least until you find a proper home for IBK? There is no place to segregate them. All rooms are used. I won't lock her in a bedroom because she pees on fabric, regarless of whether there's a litterbox there or not (she prefers fabric than the litterbox). Locking her in the garage for he rest of her life doesn't sound like a good solution either. I can probably keep her inthe garage for a day or two, but she needs to go to a better home than this one. :-( Yowie As I and others have said I think a vet visit is in order before you give him up as he could be in pain that is not apparent to you. Especially if he has never done this before. |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
On 2006-05-21, rrb penned:
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: I don't know. Oscar can go from purring to hissing with no middle ground. She's bitten me, but never drawn blood. Perhaps since I did not see the incident you are referring to. But I bet there was at least some sign even if you didn't notice it. Sometimes it can be almost unnoticeable if you aren't looking for it. My male cat was like that but by paying attention to small signs he gave I soon was able to avoid these situations and stop them before they started 99 % of the time. Well, if I stopped petting Oscar as soon as her tail started twitching, I would never get to pet Oscar. So I could probably avoid them 100% by never petting her, but that's no fun. It might be better to say, it's not that she never exhibits nervous symptoms in advance, it's that she always exhibits them, but they don't always result in trouble. So in that way it's hard to predict. It may be possible to tell by her eyes, but she likes to be pet facing away from me, so I can't go by that. She *has* gotten much better in the last two years. -- monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
I'm not sure why everyone has amnesia about this, but people:
IBKFergus is a girl. And Yowie has referred to her as "she." So please stop with the "he/him" references. -- monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
Yowie wrote:
"rrb" wrote in message news:gy4cg.3306$rS6.337@fed1read11... Yowie wrote: Please purr she finds a home more suitable to her wild nature (if you know of one around Wollongong, Australia, please let me know). Every extra hour here increases the risk she might severely hurt and/or maim Cary, so she's got to go ASAP. Tonight, sadly, will be her last night here. Why the rush - can't you segregate IBK away from Cary for a while - at least until you find a proper home for IBK? There is no place to segregate them. All rooms are used. I won't lock her in a bedroom because she pees on fabric, regarless of whether there's a litterbox there or not (she prefers fabric than the litterbox). Locking her in the garage for he rest of her life doesn't sound like a good solution either. I can probably keep her inthe garage for a day or two, but she needs to go to a better home than this one. :-( Yowie Another thing I think you need to segregate IBK and give it a few days - sleep on it for a while. You seem to be reacting to the injury and panicking. Give it a few days and see how you feel then. But I recommend not re homing him without getting him checking by a vet as there is probably something wrong health wise with him. I have given my thoughts and recommendations, and will not post further on this subject. You seem to have made up your mind already, and will not listen to reason unless it fits in with your preconceived notions. Which is most unusual for you as normally you are the voice of reason in this group and give good advice to others in similar situations - or situations where it is hard to decide what to do. I hope IBK gets a good home if it somehow ends up being with you or otherwise. |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message
... On 2006-05-21, rrb penned: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: I don't know. Oscar can go from purring to hissing with no middle ground. She's bitten me, but never drawn blood. Perhaps since I did not see the incident you are referring to. But I bet there was at least some sign even if you didn't notice it. Sometimes it can be almost unnoticeable if you aren't looking for it. My male cat was like that but by paying attention to small signs he gave I soon was able to avoid these situations and stop them before they started 99 % of the time. Well, if I stopped petting Oscar as soon as her tail started twitching, I would never get to pet Oscar. So I could probably avoid them 100% by never petting her, but that's no fun. It might be better to say, it's not that she never exhibits nervous symptoms in advance, it's that she always exhibits them, but they don't always result in trouble. So in that way it's hard to predict. It may be possible to tell by her eyes, but she likes to be pet facing away from me, so I can't go by that. She *has* gotten much better in the last two years. As everyone knows, Sammy used to be a little holy terror and left me bloody almost every day when she was little. The way I finally got her to "hold back" when she played with me was to, EVERY SINGLE TIME, give a high-pitched, loud "MEW" as soon as she started biting or scratching. That's how kittens tell each other when they're getting too rough in their play. Sammy now thinks I'm a big wussy kitten, but at least she's become very, very gentle with me. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ -- monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
"Rhonda" wrote in message
... Yowie, What is IBK"s history? How long have you had him? IBKFergus has been with us since Christmas, 2004. She's from the feral cat colony here at work andI brough her home when she was approximatley 6 weeks old. SHe's always been agressive and skittish. Anytime Joel or I walk past, she screams and swipes at our ankles. I think she was kicked at somepoint in he rlife, it would make sense. She doesn't go well with human signs of affection like patting or scritching, she has never asked for it, and rarely accepts it. She will bite and scratch if you try to give it when she doesn't want it, and any scritching session is always ended with a swipe from her. I have my suspicions, judging by the feral cats here at work, that she is probably grossly inbred, althoug I don't know for sure. She is really small for a cat. I agree about not dumping him outside. He will be ripped to shreds by the other cats in the colony, or maybe just isolated enough to be kept away from any food. The thought of returning her to her feral family was a thought of a desperately upset person. DOn't worry, she won't be dumped. Is there anywhere, like a basement or a garage, you can keep him for the time being until you find him a home? She's been confined ot the Garage during Cary's waking hours (Cary sleeps with the bedroom door shut - he has to otherwise IBKFergus gets in and wraps herself around his head) If he was a former feral, the Humane Society will probably not take him, at least they don't around here. And if you say why you are turning him in, that he attacked you or that he is a former feral (which you really have to) he won't really have a chance there. I would think the best options are finding some kind soul on your own, which can take some time, or finding a cat sanctuary, which can also take time to find an opening. I hope you can keep him somewhere safe from your son in your home until then. The Animal Welfare League can take her. They'll get a substantial donation to help with her adoption costs. The lady I spoke to is familiar with the CRM ferals, where IBKFergus came from. They are truly Feral, not just pets that have been abandoned. Perhaps I was too ambitious to take on a feral cat. I dunno. I'll miss her alot, even though she was never affectionate, and a PITA most of the time. I still loved her bawling Yowie Good luck, what a tough situation for you. I hope everyone calms down a bit and takes some time to find the right solution for all of you. Rhonda Yowie wrote: I don't want to do this, but don't have much choice. For no reason i or Joel can fathom, IBKFergus just ripped my thumb to shreds. Its that bad, i can't use my right thumb to type. Now I've wrestled with Shmogg all his life and I've had my fair share of scratches and bites, but never this deep, and never without severe provocation first. The deepest cut extends right from the base of my thumb all the way around to the thumb to the knuckle - about two inches of deep cut, with other scratches parrellel to it. This *cannot* happen to Cary, who, being a 2 year old boy, does provoke her. If it was Cary's thumb, he'd behaving reconstructive surgery to have it reattached about now. the clawing is *that* severe. I'd like her to go to a home with people used to ex feral and feral cats. A home that doens't have children, a home that won't make her the nervous skitty cat she is here. She is an *excellent* hunter and would be most suited to barn life rather than a house cat or pet, She has never been intered in receiving any affection from us, althogh will occasionally discover how much she likes it if we 'force' it on her. She does, however, answer to her name. The Cat Protection Society might take her - theres a lady here in my suburb that lean me a crate when IBKFergus first got here. If not, I'll try the Humane Society. Failing that, I'll take her back to work where the rest of her family is. I don't like the idea of dumping cats, but she'll have a better chance there than at the RSPCA. The RSPCA do a great job in many ways, but if I say that she's vicious, and I feel duty bound to mention it, they'll deem her 'unadoptable' and just euthanise her because they can't home her forever. And I don't want her euthanised. Please purr she finds a home more suitable to her wild nature (if you know of one around Wollongong, Australia, please let me know). Every extra hour here increases the risk she might severely hurt and/or maim Cary, so she's got to go ASAP. Tonight, sadly, will be her last night here. Even though my thumb is throbbing, and I know that this is what we have to do for Cary's sake, I am *heartbroken*. I just hope she can find a home that will be able to provide her with whatever it is she needs to become a lap fungus. I feell like *such* a traitor, a failure, a bad parent etc etc. And then I have to explain to Cary why his fursister and Evil Overlord is no longer around. in tears, Yowie |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
"Rhonda" wrote in message
... Jo Firey wrote: My aunt has a rescued Persian cat, Blue, that cannot be trusted. She even wanted to have her put down after she put my uncle in the hospital with a nasty bite. Their vet refused to euthanise an otherwise healthy cat so they reconsidered and kept her. When she bit, she was being petted at her request and just turned and sunk in her teeth. Now she pretty much lives under my aunts bed. She does not come out for strangers and friends know not to touch her even if she seems to ask. No one is really happy with the situation, but she is doing as well as she would anywhere. They have a second Persian they rescued at the same time, Sunshine. He is a lover and he is company for Blue There is no way Blue could be trusted around children, and she is a risk around frail adults. What I don't understand is -- is this a crazy, vicious cat with no hope of redemption like it seems is your aunt's, or is this a cat with a behavior that can be treated with love and understanding? I guess I thought this was a random attack after living with a child that may have been too aggressive with her. If so, can't that be rectified without sending her somewhere with a label that will keep others from wanting her? I dont think it can rectifed without alot of attention and time. We don'thave either to give (as much as I'd like to), and I can't risk Cary's safety in the mean time. If it was just Joel and me (and Shmogg & Fluff) here, IBKFergus would have another chance. But not with Cary around. Even the best behaved two year olds can do silly, stupid, cat-provoking things without ever meaning to annoy the cat. And Cary *is* a really well behaved two year old that has been *excellent* with the cats. Butif she can attack me for reaching down to pcik up a book, what could she do to Cary? If Yowie doesn't think she and her family can handle this situation, I hope she can personally find a new home for her. The Animal Welfare League does not put down healthy animals. Thats why I picked them. They'll find a suitable fosterer until she finds a forever home. I wish that foreverhome was with us... but it can't be. Yowie |
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IBKFergus is leaving ;-(
"Christina Websell" wrote in message
... "rrb" wrote in message news:gy4cg.3306$rS6.337@fed1read11... Yowie wrote: Please purr she finds a home more suitable to her wild nature (if you know of one around Wollongong, Australia, please let me know). Every extra hour here increases the risk she might severely hurt and/or maim Cary, so she's got to go ASAP. Tonight, sadly, will be her last night here. Why the rush - can't you segregate IBK away from Cary for a while - at least until you find a proper home for IBK? I understand the panic of an apparently unprovoked attack but in my (limited) experience there is no such thing, unless of course IBK Fergus has a brain tumour. It's unfair, IMHO, to let a toddler continually provoke a cat, she's probably fed up with it all and let rip at you instead of him. Cary does *not* "continually provoke" IBKFergus. Usualy Cary is doing his thing and IBKFergus is doinghers, somewhere else. And when they do interact, Cary is usually perfectly well behaved in cat behaviour. *But* he is a two year old with a two year old's understanding and patience, and can just grab for things he wants without thinking things through. At two years old, children can be taught not to do this, in the same way as you teach him not to put his hand on a hot stove or in a flame. It's just as dangerous for him keep provoking a cat and he needs to learn not to do it, fairly swiftly. If IBKFergus can attack me for no reason, then she can attack Cary for no reason. Its not a matter of 'provoking'. I'mn all for cats bopping an over enthusiastic toddler if things get out of hand. Shmogg is great with Cary, Cary's had a few light scratches from Shmogg and has learnt not to poke ears & eyes or pull tails. If thats all it was, there wouldn'tbe a problem. Again, it was, as far as I can see, an attack totally out of proportion to what I was doing. If I had been movingmy hand in an 'interesting' way, I'd forgive her for thinking it was a chasy game. If I had accidnelty stepped on her, I'd understand that she was just sayin "OW!". But even when we have been playing chasey or I've got my big feet in her way, she has not savaged me like this. I don't know what et her off, or how her kitty brain interpretted me picking up a book as a reason for attacking, but its such a common thing to do that I cannot trust IBKFergus not to react the same way if Cary picked up a book. Like Debbie said, if I was not over the other side of the world, I would take her myself. If you weren't over the other side of the world, I'd gladly let you have her. At least I'd know she was going to a good home. Yowie |
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