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#21
October 15th 03, 07:34 PM
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Brandy Alexandre wrote:
...nothing of importance deleted here... I see you are trolling again. Poor Kami stuck with the likes of you. 
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#22
October 15th 03, 07:34 PM
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Brandy Alexandre wrote:
...nothing of importance deleted here... I see you are trolling again. Poor Kami stuck with the likes of you.
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#24
October 15th 03, 08:13 PM
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In article ,
enlightened us with... I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Only a relatively few people had to die from Phen-fen (sp?) before they banned that. Same for that herb that caused heart problems. Same for silicone breast implants. How many people have to have problems before a procedure or drug is banned? Not too many, really. Same for cats - just because the majority of cats don't have massive problems with declawing doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do. We don't even have reliable stats for complications - people only report really bad problems (usually from botched surgery). How many cats had behavior problems or complications years after the procedure that no one ever found out about? Inappropriate urination, aggressive behavior, back problems, leg problems, arthritis, or other joint pain late in life? We might never know - no one has done extensive studies with large samples. There's a few studies out there, but most have only a couple hundred subjects at most and don't follow them throughout life to see if, say, declawing causes joint degeneration after age 8. We have no idea what the effects REALLY are. And honestly - is there ANY justifiable reason to cut off an animal's toes?? Even if it didn't harm a single cat, could you really justify that as perfectly fine? We don't go around thinking the removal of a dog's vocal chords is perfectly fine (well, most of us, anyway). ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace -------------------------------------------------
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#25
October 15th 03, 09:55 PM
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kaeli wrote: In article , enlightened us with... I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Only a relatively few people had to die from Phen-fen (sp?) before they banned that. Same for that herb that caused heart problems. Same for silicone breast implants. How many people have to have problems before a procedure or drug is banned? Not too many, really. Same for cats - just because the majority of cats don't have massive problems with declawing doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do. We don't even have reliable stats for complications - people only report really bad problems (usually from botched surgery). How many cats had behavior problems or complications years after the procedure that no one ever found out about? Inappropriate urination, aggressive behavior, back problems, leg problems, arthritis, or other joint pain late in life? We might never know - no one has done extensive studies with large samples. There's a few studies out there, but most have only a couple hundred subjects at most and don't follow them throughout life to see if, say, declawing causes joint degeneration after age 8. We have no idea what the effects REALLY are. And honestly - is there ANY justifiable reason to cut off an animal's toes?? Even if it didn't harm a single cat, could you really justify that as perfectly fine? We don't go around thinking the removal of a dog's vocal chords is perfectly fine (well, most of us, anyway). Just go to the AKC website, and get ready to gag... ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace -------------------------------------------------
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#26
October 15th 03, 09:55 PM
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kaeli wrote: In article , enlightened us with... I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Only a relatively few people had to die from Phen-fen (sp?) before they banned that. Same for that herb that caused heart problems. Same for silicone breast implants. How many people have to have problems before a procedure or drug is banned? Not too many, really. Same for cats - just because the majority of cats don't have massive problems with declawing doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do. We don't even have reliable stats for complications - people only report really bad problems (usually from botched surgery). How many cats had behavior problems or complications years after the procedure that no one ever found out about? Inappropriate urination, aggressive behavior, back problems, leg problems, arthritis, or other joint pain late in life? We might never know - no one has done extensive studies with large samples. There's a few studies out there, but most have only a couple hundred subjects at most and don't follow them throughout life to see if, say, declawing causes joint degeneration after age 8. We have no idea what the effects REALLY are. And honestly - is there ANY justifiable reason to cut off an animal's toes?? Even if it didn't harm a single cat, could you really justify that as perfectly fine? We don't go around thinking the removal of a dog's vocal chords is perfectly fine (well, most of us, anyway). Just go to the AKC website, and get ready to gag... ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Jesus saves, Allah protects, and Cthulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace -------------------------------------------------
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#27
October 15th 03, 09:58 PM
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From: (---MIKE---)
I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Hardly. Studies have shown 1 in 5 cats will have problems from declawing. My question is why would someone play Russian roulette with their cat's health and well being? Keep in mind, many problems from declawing don't show up until the cat ages. Also, cats are stoic by their very nature as predators and a lot of people wouldn't even know it if their cat were in pain or had nerve damage. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#28
October 15th 03, 09:58 PM
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From: (---MIKE---)
I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Hardly. Studies have shown 1 in 5 cats will have problems from declawing. My question is why would someone play Russian roulette with their cat's health and well being? Keep in mind, many problems from declawing don't show up until the cat ages. Also, cats are stoic by their very nature as predators and a lot of people wouldn't even know it if their cat were in pain or had nerve damage. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#29
October 15th 03, 09:59 PM
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From: kaeli
5.public.lawson.webtv.net, enlightened us with... I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Only a relatively few people had to die from Phen-fen (sp?) before they banned that. Same for that herb that caused heart problems. Same for silicone breast implants. How many people have to have problems before a procedure or drug is banned? Not too many, really. Vets are not going to admit when a problem is declaw related either. That would be like shooting themselves in the foot (or amputating the ends of their fingers). Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#30
October 15th 03, 09:59 PM
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From: kaeli
5.public.lawson.webtv.net, enlightened us with... I would NEVER declaw my cats and in general I am against the procedure. I have some good friends who have two declawed cats. The cats seem completely normal and have no behavior problems so it would seem that a lot of the comments about problems are overstated. Only a relatively few people had to die from Phen-fen (sp?) before they banned that. Same for that herb that caused heart problems. Same for silicone breast implants. How many people have to have problems before a procedure or drug is banned? Not too many, really. Vets are not going to admit when a problem is declaw related either. That would be like shooting themselves in the foot (or amputating the ends of their fingers). Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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