eosinophilic granuloma complex, heat and me venting

hi
here's the back ground. in july i got a kitten from a house with at least
30 other cats. she was fairly thin when we got her but she put on weight
and was healthy. then i took her to get fixed and was informed that she had
an infection in her mouth and they put her on clavamox 2 times daily for 10
days and tested for viral infections which came back negative. on saturday
i brought her back to the vet for a check up and the vet said she had really
bad gingiviti so i asked what could be done for that and they ran blood
tests on the kedneys, liver. well today i phoned the vet and they said she
had some complex thing, i'm not sure the name but the white blood cell count
was high and that something else was high it think it started with an eth
or something like that, i may be wrong anyway what they think she has is
normally seen in cat's skin not there mouth's. they said when they spay
here they would want to do a biopsy on her mouth, i think send a sample to a
patholigist and then grow the bacteria or do a swab or something i wasn't
really sure since i was starting to cry. i know this is fairly vague but i
was wondering if anyone could tell me what it might be called, i'd call the
vet again but i'm crying to much since my parent think i should put her down
since it's going to cost another 400 to fix her and then treatment. i
refuse to put her down though since i have a job, and sure i will only be
able to do a bit at a time i can still treat her. i had to put a cat down 3
years ago because i couldn't afford treatment and i will NOT do that again.
she's the best cat ever and i wouldn't even had known she was sick if it
weren't for the blood tests.

also i was wondering if it is really that bad if she goes into one heat? i
mean she is probably ready to go at anytime now but i don't get paid for
another 2 weeks and that's when i can afford to have all the other stuff
done.
so if anyone can give info that would be great, if not then i'll phone the
vet tomorrow and research, research, research.

i posted on the vet fourm and someone suggested it may be eosinophilic
granuloma complex and i think that's what she has. So i was wondering if
anyone had a cat with it and if so what tests did you run to see if they
acctually had it if any. i would like to do the tests but my parents don't
want me to spend 1000 on tests, hey they don't want me to spend 400 on
tests. they acctually had the nerve to phone the vet tonight to see what
exactly she has and what the prognosis is and all of that, even though i
have stated that i am not putting her down. and they have stated that they
don't want me spending much money on her if she's sick, my mom didn't even
really want me to do the blood work. i mean she's acting normal and she's
so young, you wouldn't even know anything was wrong with a her. in fact the
vet didn't really suggest blood tests until i asked if there was something
that we could do to make sure she was ok for the spay.

Are there any low-cost spay/neuter programs in your area? Here's a list of
some resources: http://www.savesamoa.org/html/spay_neuter.html#USCan

You ask: Is going into heat that bad? Yes, it is. Your cat will be
miserable, you will miserable listening to your cat yowl and carry on. She
may escape and a) never come back or b) come back with a litter of kittens.
It would be ideal if you could get the spaying and biopsy all taken care of
at once, but if your parents are being so hard on you about this, and the
mouth issue is not extremely time sensitive, I would get the spaying done
ASAP.
Also, talk to the vet's office and explain the situation with your parents,
and find out if they will take a payment plan. Are you over 18? Maybe you
could get a credit card with a low credit limit (like $500 or so) and just
use it for the kitty's vet bill and pay it off.
Congratulations on being a responsible pet owner. I guess you learned it on
your own, and not from your parents.

--
-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
Check out www.snittens.com

"Lauralai" wrote in message
...
hi
here's the back ground. in july i got a kitten from a house with at least
30 other cats. she was fairly thin when we got her but she put on weight
and was healthy. then i took her to get fixed and was informed that she
had
an infection in her mouth and they put her on clavamox 2 times daily for
10
days and tested for viral infections which came back negative. on
saturday
i brought her back to the vet for a check up and the vet said she had
really
bad gingiviti so i asked what could be done for that and they ran blood
tests on the kedneys, liver. well today i phoned the vet and they said
she
had some complex thing, i'm not sure the name but the white blood cell
count
was high and that something else was high it think it started with an eth
or something like that, i may be wrong anyway what they think she has is
normally seen in cat's skin not there mouth's. they said when they spay
here they would want to do a biopsy on her mouth, i think send a sample to
a
patholigist and then grow the bacteria or do a swab or something i wasn't
really sure since i was starting to cry. i know this is fairly vague but
i
was wondering if anyone could tell me what it might be called, i'd call
the
vet again but i'm crying to much since my parent think i should put her
down
since it's going to cost another 400 to fix her and then treatment. i
refuse to put her down though since i have a job, and sure i will only be
able to do a bit at a time i can still treat her. i had to put a cat down
3
years ago because i couldn't afford treatment and i will NOT do that
again.
she's the best cat ever and i wouldn't even had known she was sick if it
weren't for the blood tests.

also i was wondering if it is really that bad if she goes into one heat?
i
mean she is probably ready to go at anytime now but i don't get paid for
another 2 weeks and that's when i can afford to have all the other stuff
done.
so if anyone can give info that would be great, if not then i'll phone the
vet tomorrow and research, research, research.

i posted on the vet fourm and someone suggested it may be eosinophilic
granuloma complex and i think that's what she has. So i was wondering if
anyone had a cat with it and if so what tests did you run to see if they
acctually had it if any. i would like to do the tests but my parents
don't
want me to spend 1000 on tests, hey they don't want me to spend 400 on
tests. they acctually had the nerve to phone the vet tonight to see what
exactly she has and what the prognosis is and all of that, even though i
have stated that i am not putting her down. and they have stated that
they
don't want me spending much money on her if she's sick, my mom didn't even
really want me to do the blood work. i mean she's acting normal and she's
so young, you wouldn't even know anything was wrong with a her. in fact
the
vet didn't really suggest blood tests until i asked if there was something
that we could do to make sure she was ok for the spay.

Here's more info, he
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body...granuloma.html

My cat often gets the pink lower lip in about the 4th photo on that
page. Diagnosed by the vet visually, pretty classic, looked just like
the photo in his book. Soemtimes you will see sores on the backs of
the legs. We were told it was probably an allergic reaction (possibly
flea allergy), and was also associated with stress. We've
successfully kept it under control (for 1 year) by supplementing his
diet with 500mg of the amino acid L-Lysine daily. L-Lysine is used to
prevent eruption or shorten appearance of oral herpes (cold sores).
I'm not sure why it works. It's also interesting to note that Herpe
outbreaks are more likely to occur when an individual is particularly
stressed.

Lauralai wrote:

hi
here's the back ground. in july i got a kitten from a house with at least
30 other cats. she was fairly thin when we got her but she put on weight
and was healthy. then i took her to get fixed and was informed that she had
an infection in her mouth and they put her on clavamox 2 times daily for 10
days and tested for viral infections which came back negative. on saturday
i brought her back to the vet for a check up and the vet said she had really
bad gingiviti so i asked what could be done for that and they ran blood
tests on the kedneys, liver. well today i phoned the vet and they said she
had some complex thing, i'm not sure the name but the white blood cell count
was high and that something else was high it think it started with an eth
or something like that, i may be wrong anyway what they think she has is
normally seen in cat's skin not there mouth's. they said when they spay
here they would want to do a biopsy on her mouth, i think send a sample to a
patholigist and then grow the bacteria or do a swab or something i wasn't
really sure since i was starting to cry. i know this is fairly vague but i
was wondering if anyone could tell me what it might be called, i'd call the
vet again but i'm crying to much since my parent think i should put her down
since it's going to cost another 400 to fix her and then treatment. i
refuse to put her down though since i have a job, and sure i will only be
able to do a bit at a time i can still treat her. i had to put a cat down 3
years ago because i couldn't afford treatment and i will NOT do that again.
she's the best cat ever and i wouldn't even had known she was sick if it
weren't for the blood tests.

also i was wondering if it is really that bad if she goes into one heat? i
mean she is probably ready to go at anytime now but i don't get paid for
another 2 weeks and that's when i can afford to have all the other stuff
done.
so if anyone can give info that would be great, if not then i'll phone the
vet tomorrow and research, research, research.

i posted on the vet fourm and someone suggested it may be eosinophilic
granuloma complex and i think that's what she has. So i was wondering if
anyone had a cat with it and if so what tests did you run to see if they
acctually had it if any. i would like to do the tests but my parents don't
want me to spend 1000 on tests, hey they don't want me to spend 400 on
tests. they acctually had the nerve to phone the vet tonight to see what
exactly she has and what the prognosis is and all of that, even though i
have stated that i am not putting her down. and they have stated that they
don't want me spending much money on her if she's sick, my mom didn't even
really want me to do the blood work. i mean she's acting normal and she's
so young, you wouldn't even know anything was wrong with a her. in fact the
vet didn't really suggest blood tests until i asked if there was something
that we could do to make sure she was ok for the spay.

From: Kevin Krell

My cat often gets the pink lower lip in about the 4th photo on that
page. Diagnosed by the vet visually, pretty classic, looked just like
the photo in his book. Soemtimes you will see sores on the backs of
the legs. We were told it was probably an allergic reaction (possibly
flea allergy), and was also associated with stress. We've
successfully kept it under control (for 1 year) by supplementing his
diet with 500mg of the amino acid L-Lysine daily. L-Lysine is used to
prevent eruption or shorten appearance of oral herpes (cold sores).
I'm not sure why it works. It's also interesting to note that Herpe
outbreaks are more likely to occur when an individual is particularly
stressed.

Hi Kevin,
I'm glad to hear the lysine works for your cat. I'm just curious, do you empty
the capsule into his food to give it to him? He doesn't mind the taste?

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Ours eats both canned & dry food. So we use a canned food with gravy,
and mix in the contents of the capsule (yes, emptied out), along with
a probiotic. The problem was originally pretty bad when first
observed, with the swollen lip interfering with the teeth, etc., so he
had a cortisone shot only that first time. While we have some
prednisone tablets in case of an outbreak outside convenient vet
hours, we have never had to resort to them. If for some reason he
focusses on the dry food for a while, and is not eating the
supplemented canned food, we'll see a little bit of swollen lip and/or
chin. However, it is never severe, and is always controlled when he
gets his L-Lysine in.

Kevin

PawsForThought wrote:

From: Kevin Krell

My cat often gets the pink lower lip in about the 4th photo on that
page. Diagnosed by the vet visually, pretty classic, looked just like
the photo in his book. Soemtimes you will see sores on the backs of
the legs. We were told it was probably an allergic reaction (possibly
flea allergy), and was also associated with stress. We've
successfully kept it under control (for 1 year) by supplementing his
diet with 500mg of the amino acid L-Lysine daily. L-Lysine is used to
prevent eruption or shorten appearance of oral herpes (cold sores).
I'm not sure why it works. It's also interesting to note that Herpe
outbreaks are more likely to occur when an individual is particularly
stressed.

Hi Kevin,
I'm glad to hear the lysine works for your cat. I'm just curious, do you empty
the capsule into his food to give it to him? He doesn't mind the taste?

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: Kevin Krell

Ours eats both canned & dry food. So we use a canned food with gravy,
and mix in the contents of the capsule (yes, emptied out), along with
a probiotic. The problem was originally pretty bad when first
observed, with the swollen lip interfering with the teeth, etc., so he
had a cortisone shot only that first time. While we have some
prednisone tablets in case of an outbreak outside convenient vet
hours, we have never had to resort to them. If for some reason he
focusses on the dry food for a while, and is not eating the
supplemented canned food, we'll see a little bit of swollen lip and/or
chin. However, it is never severe, and is always controlled when he
gets his L-Lysine in.

That's great to hear, Kevin. I know I've heard about other cats being helped
by Lysine too. I just heard that it tasted pretty bitter so wondered how a cat
would tolerate it.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
That's great to hear, Kevin. I know I've heard about other cats
being helped
by Lysine too. I just heard that it tasted pretty bitter so
wondered how a cat
would tolerate it.


Laur, when I picked up Cheeks from the shelter the owner gave me a
small packet of Lysine and instructed me to add about half a teaspoon
to her wet food every day until it ran out. At that point we did not
know about her EGC or her asthma. The shelter owner explained that
many shelter cats have the rhinovirus and that stress can bring it out
of remission and bring on colds. Since relocating is stressful she
always gave out Lysine. Pretty sweet.

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
That's great to hear, Kevin. I know I've heard about other cats
being helped
by Lysine too. I just heard that it tasted pretty bitter so
wondered how a cat
would tolerate it.


Laur, when I picked up Cheeks from the shelter the owner gave me a
small packet of Lysine and instructed me to add about half a teaspoon
to her wet food every day until it ran out. At that point we did not
know about her EGC or her asthma. The shelter owner explained that
many shelter cats have the rhinovirus and that stress can bring it out
of remission and bring on colds. Since relocating is stressful she
always gave out Lysine. Pretty sweet.

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
That's great to hear, Kevin. I know I've heard about other cats
being helped
by Lysine too. I just heard that it tasted pretty bitter so
wondered how a cat
would tolerate it.


Laur, when I picked up Cheeks from the shelter the owner gave me a
small packet of Lysine and instructed me to add about half a teaspoon
to her wet food every day until it ran out. At that point we did not
know about her EGC or her asthma. The shelter owner explained that
many shelter cats have the rhinovirus and that stress can bring it out
of remission and bring on colds. Since relocating is stressful she
always gave out Lysine. Pretty sweet.

"Kevin Krell" wrote in message
...
Ours eats both canned & dry food. So we use a canned food with
gravy,
and mix in the contents of the capsule (yes, emptied out), along
with
a probiotic. The problem was originally pretty bad when first
observed, with the swollen lip interfering with the teeth, etc., so
he
had a cortisone shot only that first time. While we have some
prednisone tablets in case of an outbreak outside convenient vet
hours, we have never had to resort to them. If for some reason he
focusses on the dry food for a while, and is not eating the
supplemented canned food, we'll see a little bit of swollen lip
and/or
chin. However, it is never severe, and is always controlled when he
gets his L-Lysine in.

Kevin


Hmm. Could be that I need to get some Lysine for Cheeks. It would be
great if it meant fewer Depo shots per year.