If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
On Nov 21, 3:40*am, Cheryl wrote:
If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless, of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds). Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in August....2007 Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
"hopitus" wrote in message ... On Nov 21, 10:44 am, Lesley wrote: On Nov 21, 3:40 am, Cheryl wrote: If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless, of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds). Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in August....2007 Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the warcry here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you. This thread now looks like "analyzing" to me...and you know how I feel about assuming what is in other people's heads. Or trying to. I know some cyber friends and a lot more RL ones who proudly have their membership in Mensa closely meshed with their self-esteem, and who don't have the common sense of my Snaggly, who knows to go hide when he has knocked my front drapes off their support by snatching at them as his 28# feline self slides down the sloped rear of my big old analog tv set. Snaggly, though a cat, *reeks* with common sense. Sorry, I can't go along with the notion you can *force* anyone to quit smoking. It's an addiction, just like other addictions and only the afflicted can stop it. An attempt to end the analyzing of i.q. influence - A.Hitler's reported as 140-141. I have refused, just from orneriness, at the urging of those Mensa friends, to find out what mine is or was. I had a possible employee interview once that was a mensa member. He proudly said he was a mensa member on his appilication. I thought to my self what a joke when I looked at his math part of the test for a cashier. I asked him why he failed the math part. Simple question I hand you $10.37 The bill is $8.78 What is the change? answer $1.59 I hand you 3 more dollars and ask for you to break it down into quarters before you give me my change. How many quarters is that in total?. He could not answer that. The answer is 18 Oh let me add this was a timed test of 5 minutes to answer 25 questions. Most were like How many dimes in a $5.00 roll of dimes. It was designed to be quick so I knew who had basic math skill. |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
"Cheryl" wrote in message
... Matthew wrote: We just lost a family member a couple weeks ago due to stupid stubborn mountain idiocy. He had the Flu ( not swine) so bad that it went to his heart. He refused to go to the doctor or hospital even though he was laid up in the bed barely able to breathe. The true stupid thing; which I think their side of family is looking at charges to be pressed or should, is that his wife is a long time Nurse and did not call 911 or the doctor because he said not to that he was fine. The worse thing is that their son is a doctor and was away. He found out that his father was sick than died. He was irate that no one called him or a doctor. He said dam his father's pride he would have been in the ER. If he had to drag him there. My friend May he rest in peace pasted away a couple months ago due to lung cancer. The doctor told him to stop smoking that if he did not stop the chemo he needed would not work. He refused still went through the treatments. He died a few weeks later. May he rest in peace but I have no sympathy for or his wife; she knew but ignored the situation. Mountain pride as it is called I would love to take a baseball bat to them and people like that. Ignorant pride needs to be beaten out of people IMO plain and simple. It's not limited to mountains, and people do have the right to refuse to see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, even if they die as a result. Mind you, most won't. When the mother of a friend of mine was in her last illness, she was reluctant to consult a doctor, and of course, since she was conscious and in her right mind, the ambulance attendance wouldn't take her unless she consented. Her daughter finally said "Do you want to put me through the same thing X (a close friend who refused to get medical treatment) put you through?" and she went, although the emergency surgery that followed revealed terminal cancer, and she never woke up after the operation. If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless, of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds). It's a very serious (and usually pointless) thing to do to *force* someone to quit smoking or see a doctor and follow directions. Suggest, urge, persuade them to, yes. But ultimately the decision is theirs. -- Cheryl It is impossible to force someone to quit smoking unless you lock them up. I tried to get my husband to quit smoking from the time we were married. When his mother quit smoking a few years later, I pushed him again to quit, so he did. Or so I thought. He'd come home from work smelling of smoke and say it was because others smoked around him. It wasn't until he was diagnosed with the lung cancer that eventually killed him that he admitted he had been smoking at work. He did quit then, but it was too late. Joy |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
"hopitus" wrote in message
... On Nov 21, 10:44 am, Lesley wrote: On Nov 21, 3:40 am, Cheryl wrote: If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless, of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds). Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in August....2007 Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the warcry here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you. This thread now looks like "analyzing" to me...and you know how I feel about assuming what is in other people's heads. Or trying to. I know some cyber friends and a lot more RL ones who proudly have their membership in Mensa closely meshed with their self-esteem, and who don't have the common sense of my Snaggly, who knows to go hide when he has knocked my front drapes off their support by snatching at them as his 28# feline self slides down the sloped rear of my big old analog tv set. Snaggly, though a cat, *reeks* with common sense. Sorry, I can't go along with the notion you can *force* anyone to quit smoking. It's an addiction, just like other addictions and only the afflicted can stop it. An attempt to end the analyzing of i.q. influence - A.Hitler's reported as 140-141. I have refused, just from orneriness, at the urging of those Mensa friends, to find out what mine is or was. *** You're right about the common sense. That's another quality I forgot to mention in my previous post. Unfortunately, many Mensans lack it. All IQ tests really measure is one's ability to take that type of test. Joy |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
hopitus wrote:
Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the warcry here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you. No offense intended here, but Medicare *is* socialized medicine. Everyone pays into the system, everyone (over a certain age at this point) benefits from the system. The VA and Medicaid are also forms of socialized medicine. Any system has its flaws. The flaw of the US system is that, were they here, Lesley and Dave would be bankrupt and unable to afford follow up care at all. Currently I'm a bit upset that I'm having health issues to the extent that I cannot pull my own weight in my own household, let alone the outside world, and we can't afford to figure out why it's happening, much less get it treated. I also have a pituitary tumor that we can't afford the medicine to treat. But we make too much for Medicaid (which covers very little and very grudgingly) and too little to afford private health insurance so we're stuck, and I may well become a statistic - one of the people who dies in the US because of a lack of insurance. Maeve ^..^ -- http://moonglowminnow.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/minnow/ |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
hopitus wrote:
Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the warcry here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you. Newsflash, Hops - **Medicare is a form of socialism**. The population is taxed to create a fund so that everyone who needs it can receive a benefit from the government. How is that not a socialist concept? I saw a photo of a demonstration from one of those idiotic "teabagger" parties (non-USA'ans: you don't want to know!) where someone carried a sign that actually said: "Keep your socialist paws off my Medicare". WOW. Some people are totally unclear on the concept. No offense Hops, you know I like you. But SOCIAL PROGRAMS, such as Medicare and Social Security, not to mention public schools, public libraries, police forces and fire departments, are all very much examples of socialism. Joyce (Medica gov't subsidizing of health care for the elderly; Social Security: a fund gathered from income taxes to provide monthly living expenses for elderly retired people. The "keep your socialist paws off Medicare" comment was a response to one of the ideas being bounced around for a universal health care program: expand the already existing Medicare program so that everyone, not just the elderly, can have it.) Joyce -- Taxes: Money you complain about giving the government, to pay for services whose absence you would complain about. -- John O'Hanlon (Yes, I chose this sig on purpose - JW) |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
hopitus wrote:
ROFL. Snaggly in spite of his commen sense and non-Mensa status, dos not have basic math skills. I'm sure he makes up for all of it with cuteness! Do you have a photo of him online? Joyce -- If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people calling other people to stammer that they loved them. -- Christopher Morley |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
Joy wrote:
Actually, it can't even predict school achievement. If a student is bored with the work, s/he may not do it, or may do very little of it, while pursuing other interests. When I was growing up, my problem in school wasn't so much boredom as emotional problems. I was too anxious and distracted to pay attention in school, so I was a pretty mediocre student - lots of Bs and Cs. Back then, nobody looked at kids like me and recognized that there might be emotional issues needing to be addressed - instead, I was just seen as a slacker who daydreamed all the time. On the other hand, I might've dodged a bullet. If I were growing up now, someone would probably investigate my family life, and next thing you know, I'm in foster care. Bad as my family life was, foster care would have been much worse!! When I entered what was then called a junior college (now they're called community colleges), my counselor was surprised that I wasn't a straight 'A' student. I probably had a 'B' average, but there was one class in which I spent the entire period reading library books. There were a lot of noisy, disruptive kids in that class, and the teacher gave me an 'A', not because I earned it, but because I didn't give her a bad time. Wow. Now that's a seriously incompetent teacher... IQ tests also don't test one of the things that is most important for leading a full, happy and productive life (IMNSHO) - people skills. I met many people in Mensa who have very poor people skills. Exactly. That's what I was talking about when I mentioned "EQ" (so-called emotional intelligence). Very few highly intelligent people because wealthy or successful in the business world, mainly because they can't be bothered to concentrate on one thing. Instead, they pursue a variety of interests and seldom excel at any of them. That's *exactly* what I'm like - I can do a decent job of many different things, but I don't excel at very much. I've never thought this was a sign of intelligence, though - more like a lack of discipline, poor frustration tolerance, etc. I used to feel bad about this, like I hadn't accomplished anything impressive. But the truth is, I really enjoy all my interests. So what's the harm? Joyce -- If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people calling other people to stammer that they loved them. -- Christopher Morley |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
OT Colonoscopy tomorrow (Friday)
Joy wrote:
You're right about the common sense. That's another quality I forgot to mention in my previous post. Unfortunately, many Mensans lack it. There are many different kinds of intelligence, and I don't think one kind is necessarily more valuable than another. Sure, some people are brilliant at abstract ideas but wouldn't have a clue how to solve an everyday problem, but we need good abstract thinkers, too. Einstein was thought to be mentally disabled in school, and as an adult he worked in a patent office before going on to revolutionize the study of physics. Takes all types, you know? All IQ tests really measure is one's ability to take that type of test. I wouldn't go that far. The tests are constructed to measure certain abilities, which I think are valuable. They're just very limited, and they don't measure a whole lot of important abilities that contribute to a very diverse and complex picture of what human intelligence is. Each piece is valuable, though. Joyce -- If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people calling other people to stammer that they loved them. -- Christopher Morley |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Friday is the day | -L. | Cat health & behaviour | 19 | April 13th 07 04:07 PM |
OT Black Friday | Matthew | Cat anecdotes | 30 | November 24th 06 08:36 AM |
Some Friday fun | ceb | Cat health & behaviour | 0 | June 24th 05 09:38 PM |
OT - Friday was a Sad Day | Magic Mood Jeep© | Cat anecdotes | 8 | May 28th 05 04:33 PM |
Gone Friday and Saturday | Tanada | Cat anecdotes | 6 | September 24th 04 04:04 AM |