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OT Deer and songbird decline
From New Scientist, 30/7/05
" Deer maybe behind the widespread decline of songbirds in North America and Europe. Jean-Louis Martin, from the Centre for Evolutionary and Functional Ecology in Montpelier, working with the Canadian Wildlife Service surveyed songbird, deer, vegetation and insect populations on 37 islands on the Haida Gwaii archipelago in British Columbia. They found bird species that relied most on understorey vegetation for food and nesting were most affected by the deer. There numbers were 93% lower than those on deer free islands. A lack of predators has allowed deer numbers to rise and Martin suggests introducing some of the deers natural predators. " It's humans that are destroying this world and causing the decline of songbirds and all the other disappearing species( Alison |
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Alison wrote: From New Scientist, 30/7/05 " Deer maybe behind the widespread decline of songbirds in North America and Europe. Jean-Louis Martin, from the Centre for Evolutionary and Functional Ecology in Montpelier, working with the Canadian Wildlife Service surveyed songbird, deer, vegetation and insect populations on 37 islands on the Haida Gwaii archipelago in British Columbia. They found bird species that relied most on understorey vegetation for food and nesting were most affected by the deer. There numbers were 93% lower than those on deer free islands. A lack of predators has allowed deer numbers to rise and Martin suggests introducing some of the deers natural predators. " It's humans that are destroying this world and causing the decline of songbirds and all the other disappearing species( Alison Maybe true that the deer have contributed to that particular songbird's decrease. But lack of predators isn't the whole reason -- we're (in US) are removing more and more of the deer's habitat with every new housing addition and mini-mall being built. Wonder exactly what they're hinting at when they say Martin suggests introducing some of the deer's natural predators? Some dumb Okie redneck with a 12-gauge? Sherry |
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On Sat 30 Jul 2005 04:16:08p, Alison wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav ): From New Scientist, 30/7/05 " Deer maybe behind the widespread decline of songbirds in North America and Europe. Jean-Louis Martin, from the Centre for Evolutionary and Functional Ecology in Montpelier, working with the Canadian Wildlife Service surveyed songbird, deer, vegetation and insect populations on 37 islands on the Haida Gwaii archipelago in British Columbia. They found bird species that relied most on understorey vegetation for food and nesting were most affected by the deer. There numbers were 93% lower than those on deer free islands. A lack of predators has allowed deer numbers to rise and Martin suggests introducing some of the deers natural predators. " It's humans that are destroying this world and causing the decline of songbirds and all the other disappearing species( Alison Interesting viewpoint. I'm one of those who believe that we are ruining the world and the habitats of wildlife, making them scramble for new homes, food, etc. Just seeing foxes run along an interstate is proof to me. Seeing deer come into neighborhoods where they've never been seen before. However, at least in this area, humans are scrambling for housing. New jobs are being created / shifted faster than the housing market and the roads can keep up. Maybe not "new" jobs, but the hot job market area changes. Bringing "sprawl and crawl" along with it. Geez this gets me started. DC area here. -- Cheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields |
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ups.com... Alison wrote: It's humans that are destroying this world and causing the decline of songbirds and all the other disappearing species( Alison Maybe true that the deer have contributed to that particular songbird's decrease. But lack of predators isn't the whole reason -- we're (in US) are removing more and more of the deer's habitat with every new housing addition and mini-mall being built. Wonder exactly what they're hinting at when they say Martin suggests introducing some of the deer's natural predators? Some dumb Okie redneck with a 12-gauge? Sherry. LOL They'd probably shoot all the birds too It's worse in the UK , we're a very crowded island and most people want to settle in the South East . Our PM wants to see 100s of 1000's more houses built in this area plus building more runways and motorways near the airports. They actually want to demolish a whole village to build a runway. In a few years, if he suceeds, it will one gaint concrete jungle. ( Alison |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... They found bird species that relied most on understorey vegetation for food and nesting were most affected by the deer. There numbers were 93% lower than those on deer free islands. A lack of predators has allowed deer numbers to rise and Martin suggests introducing some of the deers natural predators. " It's humans that are destroying this world and causing the decline of songbirds and all the other disappearing species( Alison Interesting viewpoint. I'm one of those who believe that we are ruining the world and the habitats of wildlife, making them scramble for new homes, food, etc. Just seeing foxes run along an interstate is proof to me. Seeing deer come into neighborhoods where they've never been seen before. However, at least in this area, humans are scrambling for housing. New jobs are being created / shifted faster than the housing market and the roads can keep up. Maybe not "new" jobs, but the hot job market area changes. Bringing "sprawl and crawl" along with it. Geez this gets me started. DC area here. -- Cheryl I personally don't think you can compare the effect of an over population of deer on a tiny island with wild deer in US and Europe. They tried to do this with cats Also in the UK on a Scottish island, thousands of hedgehogs had to be removed or destroyed because they ate the eggs of ground nesting birds but its not likely hedgehogs on the mainland wouild affect bird numbers. It's the same here, foxes are becoming urbanised and thriving and I've seen muntjac deer on the playing fields. They aren't native but escaped from capitivity and survived. Where I live has green belt areas that can't be built on (yet!) but over the years small holiding and grazing land have been built on and now places like pubs and garages, garden nurseries, large houses are being knocked down and replaced with blocks of appartments. Alison |
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Alison wrote: I personally don't think you can compare the effect of an over population of deer on a tiny island with wild deer in US and Europe. They tried to do this with cats Also in the UK on a Scottish island, thousands of hedgehogs had to be removed or destroyed because they ate the eggs of ground nesting birds but its not likely hedgehogs on the mainland wouild affect bird numbers. Oh, duh, of course. I missed the "island" part. :-) I think what was fresh on my mind is, they're all in a hoopla around here because they broke up new prairie to build these gigantic homes and a golf course recently. A new school for the new homes followed.Now everybody seems so aghast and surprised because coyotes are showingup on the playground. Sherry |
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ups.com... Also in the UK on a Scottish island, thousands of hedgehogs had to be removed or destroyed because they ate the eggs of ground nesting birds but its not likely hedgehogs on the mainland wouild affect bird numbers. Oh, duh, of course. I missed the "island" part. :-) I think what was fresh on my mind is, they're all in a hoopla around here because they broke up new prairie to build these gigantic homes and a golf course recently. A new school for the new homes followed.Now everybody seems so aghast and surprised because coyotes are showingup on the playground. . I bet they shoot the coyotes now. A golf course! How do you bear it? One of my mum's cousins lived in Reno, she's passed away now, but I remember her saying how they were building and building there and she was concerned about the wild horses who were losing their territory. Alison |
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Alison wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Also in the UK on a Scottish island, thousands of hedgehogs had to be removed or destroyed because they ate the eggs of ground nesting birds but its not likely hedgehogs on the mainland wouild affect bird numbers. Oh, duh, of course. I missed the "island" part. :-) I think what was fresh on my mind is, they're all in a hoopla around here because they broke up new prairie to build these gigantic homes and a golf course recently. A new school for the new homes followed.Now everybody seems so aghast and surprised because coyotes are showingup on the playground. . I bet they shoot the coyotes now. Oh yeah. They always have shot them. It's practically a sport with the redneck element. Ranchers shoot them because they don't like them around their stock. I don't like them around because I worry about the cats and they are notorious for carrying off cats and dogs. But I respect them. I read once their numbers are higher now than they were in colonial days, despite encroachment of their territory and being eliminated by man. Sherry |
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-L. wrote: wrote: Oh yeah. They always have shot them. It's practically a sport with the redneck element. Ranchers shoot them because they don't like them around their stock. I don't like them around because I worry about the cats and they are notorious for carrying off cats and dogs. But I respect them. I read once their numbers are higher now than they were in colonial days, despite encroachment of their territory and being eliminated by man. Sherry The morons in San Jose set noose traps for the coyotes and caught *deer*. Stupid, stupid DNR! -L. Oh, no. That's horrible. Horrible for the coyotes, too. That shouldn't even be legal, IMO. Sherry |
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