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Cats and Milk
Matthew wrote:
I can't have a bowl of cereal or my nightly milk and cookies unless rumble shares. Some the others tend to ignore it unless I rub some on their lips Ka' Shay is hit or miss. But I do remember the barn cats coming in every time we milked the goats or the cows for their fair share. When we churned butter we had a audience at all times Butter is best! LOL Jill |
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On 2007-01-07 13:54:29 -0800, "jmcquown" said:
Katrina wrote: On 2007-01-07 12:37:00 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" said: jmcquown wrote: I drink low-fat milk. When Persia sees the milk jug come out of the refrigerator she starts yowling until I pour a couple of tablespoonfuls in a bowl for her. She's never had any adverse reactions to milk. How about your cats? Frankly, I am astonished by the number of HUMANS who seem to be allergic to milk, nowadays. I don't deny the allergy exists, but WHY, when milk used to be the "normal" beverage for children (and even many adults) at mealtime? What has changed in the human gene-pool, to make what was once a rare condition so commonplace? Actually, lactose TOLERANCE is NOT the norm for most adult humans. Can you site some sources for this? I've been drinking milk all my adult life and I'm almost 47 years old. Never had a problem. I love milk. Have no problem drinking milk. Or eating cheese. Or any dairy products. I find it hard to believe that "once weaned" people (or animals) can no longer tolerate milk. That just doesn't make any sense. John (who is 60) loves a good cold glass of milk when we have breakfast, as do I. So, please back up this statement with some factual data. Won't really matter, since I know everyone in my family and my LLL and Persia! (who is an adult cat) love and can and do drink milk Jill http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001681.html According to the statistics, 86% of Northern Europeans are lactose *tolerant*, but only 36% of Southern Europeans are. 98% of Southeast Asians are intolerant (note that milk and milk products are not generally part of Asian cooking), so only 2% of Southeast Asians can tolerate milk... but that 2% could certainly enjoy a "nice, cold glass of milk" even when 98% of their relatives can't. If you go on down the list, you'll see that lactose tolerance is highest among Northern Europeans. Unless you want to argue that the entire world is made up of Northern Europeans, it's clear that most humans are lactose intolerant. I'm guessing that you and John are from Northern European background, but even if not, all populations have some individuals who tolerate milk. If you ARE of Northern European stock, you fall into one of the populations which are more likely than not to be lactose tolerant. Most Americans (and the dominant *American* culture) is founded in that Northern European gene pool. This is also why the Dairy industry is so strong here- it's part of the cultural baggage brought over by British, Scandanavian and Germanic settlers. The problem is that giving milk as part of a subsidized meal to inner city children (who are more likely to NOT tolerate it because of differing genetic backgrounds) is actually making those kids sick. Katrina -- History: special people in special places at special times Anthropology: everyone else the rest of the time -KWorley, 1997 ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message ... Matthew wrote: I can't have a bowl of cereal or my nightly milk and cookies unless rumble shares. Some the others tend to ignore it unless I rub some on their lips Ka' Shay is hit or miss. But I do remember the barn cats coming in every time we milked the goats or the cows for their fair share. When we churned butter we had a audience at all times Butter is best! LOL Jill No real churned butter is the best none of this crap in it like today's choices have |
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"jmcquown" wrote
I do get occasional sinus and ear infections (the two go hand in hand thanks to the eustachian tube) but those are bacterial, not viral infections and cannot be transmitted person to person. I would offer that your infections are not caused by bacteria or virus, but rather by your consumption of dairy products - along with other gargage like refined sugar and flour, which combine with dairy residues to create mucus, in which those nasty micro-organisms (that get blamed as the "cause" of infections) are able to thrive. The fact that you apparently are able to digest dairy products does not equate to them being healthful for human consumption. Much information regarding the ill effects can be found at www.notmilk.com The usual response to any suggestion of milk being unhealthful among people who've been brainwashed by the media (subservient to the interests of the dairy industry) is "How then will we get enough calcium?" Well, how does a cow obtain calcium? And how does a free-ranging chicken having its eggs constantly stolen by its owner get enough calcium to produce shell after shell if its diet consists only of bugs scrounged in the dirt plus some scattered grains? In fact the foods highest in calcium are sesame seeds, sea vegetables and hard green leafy vegetables (not spinach or lettuce, but kale, collards, broccoli, watercress, bok choy, mustard, turnip & radish greens). If calcium is the key to strong bones and teeth, why have Oriental people who traditionally consume very little in the way of dairy products (but *do* consume seaweed quite regularly) always had the lowest instances of osteoporosis. |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message
... I know I've posted about this before but just curious. I keep hearing that milk is bad for cats, yet I grew up hearing about "cats and cream" (or milk). I know lots of people buy special "milk" for cats; goats milk and soy milk. When Persia first came to me I asked the vet about giving Persia milk. He said no problem, just not in large quantities. It's the one "treat" I can give her. I drink low-fat milk. When Persia sees the milk jug come out of the refrigerator she starts yowling until I pour a couple of tablespoonfuls in a bowl for her. She's never had any adverse reactions to milk. How about your cats? Jill I've only had one cat that was particularly interested in milk. Herbie loved it, and I used to give him a little every evening. He wasn't fussy, either. He'd drink anything from non-fat to cream. He usually got non-fat or low fat. Skeeter didn't like milk, but she couldn't stand the idea of Herbie getting something that she didn't. She made a big fuss unless I gave here milk too. I'd give her about a teaspoon, and watch her stiffen and practically shudder as she drank it. If she could have held her nose, she would have. You could tell she hated it, but she wasn't about to leave a drop for Herbie. Joy |
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kilikini wrote: Dewi wrote: kilikini wrote: Dewi wrote: I've never had problems with my adult cats drinking milk. Kittens tend to get the "runs", but they seem to grow out of it. I give my cats eggy - milk which they love. It's they're second favourite treat after roo mince. Dewi My cats won't touch eggs, but my rats love it! kili Did you get some more rats. Last I read you had the one. My rats sometimes eat boiled eggs, but never tried raw eggs on them. Dewi We got Mickey a buddy we call Phideaux (Fido). He's white with grey spots and the two snuggle and play furiously. It's cute to watch and the cats are transfixed! They sniff noses through the cage - absolutely harmless, thank goodness! kili Oh that great! Dewi |
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"Matthew" wrote in message ... "jmcquown" wrote in message ... Matthew wrote: I can't have a bowl of cereal or my nightly milk and cookies unless rumble shares. Some the others tend to ignore it unless I rub some on their lips Ka' Shay is hit or miss. But I do remember the barn cats coming in every time we milked the goats or the cows for their fair share. When we churned butter we had a audience at all times Butter is best! LOL Jill No real churned butter is the best none of this crap in it like today's choices have LOL. Kids now don't even know that butter used to be yellow. Really yellow. So were egg yolks. Egg yolks now are so pale you can't even make yellow and while scrambled eggs by not over stirring them anymore. Jo |
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"Katrina" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-07 13:54:29 -0800, "jmcquown" said: Katrina wrote: On 2007-01-07 12:37:00 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" said: jmcquown wrote: I drink low-fat milk. When Persia sees the milk jug come out of the refrigerator she starts yowling until I pour a couple of tablespoonfuls in a bowl for her. She's never had any adverse reactions to milk. How about your cats? Frankly, I am astonished by the number of HUMANS who seem to be allergic to milk, nowadays. I don't deny the allergy exists, but WHY, when milk used to be the "normal" beverage for children (and even many adults) at mealtime? What has changed in the human gene-pool, to make what was once a rare condition so commonplace? Actually, lactose TOLERANCE is NOT the norm for most adult humans. Can you site some sources for this? I've been drinking milk all my adult life and I'm almost 47 years old. Never had a problem. I love milk. Have no problem drinking milk. Or eating cheese. Or any dairy products. I find it hard to believe that "once weaned" people (or animals) can no longer tolerate milk. That just doesn't make any sense. John (who is 60) loves a good cold glass of milk when we have breakfast, as do I. So, please back up this statement with some factual data. Won't really matter, since I know everyone in my family and my LLL and Persia! (who is an adult cat) love and can and do drink milk Jill http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001681.html According to the statistics, 86% of Northern Europeans are lactose *tolerant*, but only 36% of Southern Europeans are. 98% of Southeast Asians are intolerant (note that milk and milk products are not generally part of Asian cooking), so only 2% of Southeast Asians can tolerate milk... but that 2% could certainly enjoy a "nice, cold glass of milk" even when 98% of their relatives can't. If you go on down the list, you'll see that lactose tolerance is highest among Northern Europeans. Unless you want to argue that the entire world is made up of Northern Europeans, it's clear that most humans are lactose intolerant. I'm guessing that you and John are from Northern European background, but even if not, all populations have some individuals who tolerate milk. If you ARE of Northern European stock, you fall into one of the populations which are more likely than not to be lactose tolerant. Most Americans (and the dominant *American* culture) is founded in that Northern European gene pool. This is also why the Dairy industry is so strong here- it's part of the cultural baggage brought over by British, Scandanavian and Germanic settlers. The problem is that giving milk as part of a subsidized meal to inner city children (who are more likely to NOT tolerate it because of differing genetic backgrounds) is actually making those kids sick. Katrina One of the things we were told to expect when we adopted a child from Korea thirty years ago was an aversion to milk. Tara disliked milk as a child and still avoids dairy products for the most part. It does make getting enough calcium interesting with a western diet, especially when you are dealing with a child that is already severely malnourished. I for one am very glad that things like orange juice now can be purchased with added calcium. Jo |
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"Jo Firey" wrote:
One of the things we were told to expect when we adopted a child from Korea thirty years ago was an aversion to milk. Tara disliked milk as a child and still avoids dairy products for the most part. I've been to Korea a few times, and they always have these yogurt drinks, so it's dairy, but with the lactose deactivated by the culture. I think I've seen similar drinks in the US too. |
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Katrina wrote:
On 2007-01-07 13:54:29 -0800, "jmcquown" said: Katrina wrote: On 2007-01-07 12:37:00 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" said: jmcquown wrote: I drink low-fat milk. When Persia sees the milk jug come out of the refrigerator she starts yowling until I pour a couple of tablespoonfuls in a bowl for her. She's never had any adverse reactions to milk. How about your cats? Frankly, I am astonished by the number of HUMANS who seem to be allergic to milk, nowadays. I don't deny the allergy exists, but WHY, when milk used to be the "normal" beverage for children (and even many adults) at mealtime? What has changed in the human gene-pool, to make what was once a rare condition so commonplace? Actually, lactose TOLERANCE is NOT the norm for most adult humans. Can you site some sources for this? I've been drinking milk all my adult life and I'm almost 47 years old. Never had a problem. I love milk. Have no problem drinking milk. Or eating cheese. Or any dairy products. I find it hard to believe that "once weaned" people (or animals) can no longer tolerate milk. That just doesn't make any sense. John (who is 60) loves a good cold glass of milk when we have breakfast, as do I. So, please back up this statement with some factual data. Won't really matter, since I know everyone in my family and my LLL and Persia! (who is an adult cat) love and can and do drink milk Jill http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001681.html According to the statistics, 86% of Northern Europeans are lactose *tolerant*, but only 36% of Southern Europeans are. 98% of Southeast Asians are intolerant (note that milk and milk products are not generally part of Asian cooking), so only 2% of Southeast Asians can tolerate milk... but that 2% could certainly enjoy a "nice, cold glass of milk" even when 98% of their relatives can't. If you go on down the list, you'll see that lactose tolerance is highest among Northern Europeans. Unless you want to argue that the entire world is made up of Northern Europeans, it's clear that most humans are lactose intolerant. I'm guessing that you and John are from Northern European background, but even if not, all populations have some individuals who tolerate milk. If you ARE of Northern European stock, you fall into one of the populations which are more likely than not to be lactose tolerant. Most Americans (and the dominant *American* culture) is founded in that Northern European gene pool. This is also why the Dairy industry is so strong here- it's part of the cultural baggage brought over by British, Scandanavian and Germanic settlers. The problem is that giving milk as part of a subsidized meal to inner city children (who are more likely to NOT tolerate it because of differing genetic backgrounds) is actually making those kids sick. Katrina Thank you. I didn't mean to sound confrontational but I run into this sort of thing all the time on another newsgroup. Yes, both of our families are from Eastern Europeon or British backgrounds and we (nor any of our family) have any problem with milk. Milk is not common in SE Asia. I do have to say this, though. Our cook when we lived in Bangkok had a 3 year old son. For a treat, what did he want? A lump of Butter! So Alum would go to the market and bring him a lump of butter. Sounds gross, but that's what he wanted. I didn't see him have a problem after eating it. Jill |
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