A Pair of Cat's Names

Christina Websell wrote:

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:

It means what I said in the first place and is not a fit name for a
male cat unless you want to make a fool of him. You are aware of this
so I'm not sure why you suggested it to an American, who isn't.

Maybe an American cat wouldn't mind, then?

As smart as cats can be, I would not expect any cat to know or care what
that name means. And even if they did know, cats are not cursed with
human
uptightness about body parts, so I doubt it would matter. So I wouldn't
worry about the name's "fitness" for a cat. Especially considering, as we
have been over the past couple of days of this thread, that quite a few
*human* males sport that name!

And if the cat DID know the meaning, it would probably add a certain
swagger to his walk! (Especially if he were neutered, so his male ego
needed bolstering.)


I don't agree with naming pets with such names, neither do I like birds
being taught to swear.
They are innocent. It's a shame on us to insult them like this. IMO.

So what? If it amuses the human, and the animal doesn't
know the difference? (Not everyone defines "insult" as you
do, you know.) You really should be less inclined to assume
your own preferences are universal, and allow for different
points of view. (I'm sure no cat, bird, dog, nor other pet
gives a tinker's damn what humans choose to call it, or what
that name means in "human-speak".)

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Christina Websell wrote:

I don't agree with naming pets with such names, neither do I like birds
being taught to swear.
They are innocent. It's a shame on us to insult them like this. IMO.

Do you worry that some harm might come to the animal, as a result of the
name or (in the case of a parrot) the swearing? That is, that someone
would
get hostile because of those things and take it out on the animal? I've
never heard of any such incidents, but there are certainly some highly
strung individuals who would not be hard to set off. But then in that
case,
I wouldn't want my animals anywhere near that person no matter what their
names are. There are nutcases out there no matter what you do.

Otherwise, I can't see what harm it does to the animal. A cat's dignity
is not defined by a name given to it by a human. Now, falling off the
windowsill, that's another matter. (Wash, wash, wash - I meant to do
that!)


You have not understood my point at all and it is too late at night here in
Britain for me to have time to explain it It's my bedtime.

Tweed

Christina Websell wrote:

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Otherwise, I can't see what harm it does to the animal. A cat's dignity
is not defined by a name given to it by a human.

You have not understood my point at all and it is too late at night here in
Britain for me to have time to explain it It's my bedtime.

Maybe you should have waited to respond until you had had a night's sleep?

You're right, I probably don't get your point. You said that giving a cat
a name such as "John Thomas" would offend the dignity of the cat. I don't
understand how. Cats certainly have a sense of dignity, I won't argue with
that, but there's no way that a name given by a human, no matter how silly
or crude, would affect a cat's dignity. (On the other hand, I suppose it
could affect a human's dignity to have a cat with an egregiously stupid or
offensive name, but that's another matter!)

Once you wake up, maybe you could try again?

Joyce

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Christina Websell wrote:

I don't agree with naming pets with such names, neither do I like birds
being taught to swear.
They are innocent. It's a shame on us to insult them like this. IMO.

Do you worry that some harm might come to the animal, as a result of the
name or (in the case of a parrot) the swearing? That is, that someone
would
get hostile because of those things and take it out on the animal? I've
never heard of any such incidents, but there are certainly some highly
strung individuals who would not be hard to set off. But then in that
case,
I wouldn't want my animals anywhere near that person no matter what their
names are. There are nutcases out there no matter what you do.

Otherwise, I can't see what harm it does to the animal. A cat's dignity
is not defined by a name given to it by a human. Now, falling off the
windowsill, that's another matter. (Wash, wash, wash - I meant to do
that!)


You have not understood my point at all and it is too late at night here
in Britain for me to have time to explain it It's my bedtime.

Tweed


May you sleep well.

I think I get your point.

However, in the case of cats, I don't think their dignity is much affected
by their slaves. Molly for instance has never actually allowed that we even
have the right to name her. Whatever we choose to call her is solely a
reflection on us.

Dogs on the other hand, at least in my experience really don't have much
dignity to speak of. If it were left up to them they would spend their
entire lives licking their butts and sniffing each others. I think that's
why we need to be careful in naming them. If we wait for them to suggest a
name or nickname by their own behavior, its likely to be less than
dignified. Especially if we are naming they while they are still puppies.

One thing that can make dogs and cats such relaxing companions for some of
us, is that we don't have to be careful in what we say to them or what we
call them. Only in how. They never misunderstand.

Jo

Christina Websell wrote:

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Christina Websell wrote:


I don't agree with naming pets with such names, neither do I like birds
being taught to swear.
They are innocent. It's a shame on us to insult them like this. IMO.

Do you worry that some harm might come to the animal, as a result of the
name or (in the case of a parrot) the swearing? That is, that someone
would
get hostile because of those things and take it out on the animal? I've
never heard of any such incidents, but there are certainly some highly
strung individuals who would not be hard to set off. But then in that
case,
I wouldn't want my animals anywhere near that person no matter what their
names are. There are nutcases out there no matter what you do.

Otherwise, I can't see what harm it does to the animal. A cat's dignity
is not defined by a name given to it by a human. Now, falling off the
windowsill, that's another matter. (Wash, wash, wash - I meant to do
that!)



You have not understood my point at all and it is too late at night here in
Britain for me to have time to explain it It's my bedtime.

Oh, I think we all "understand" your point - it's just that
we a) consider it trivial and b) disagree with it! The only
person who might find such odd-ball names embarrassing would
be the person obliged to summon the animal by calling its
name aloud, outdoors - and he/she presumable came to terms
with the issue before the "christening". (I can assure you,
the animal couldn't care less!)

On Thu, 3 May 2007 13:56:22 -0400, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:



Christina Websell wrote:

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Christina Websell wrote:


I don't agree with naming pets with such names, neither do I like birds
being taught to swear.
They are innocent. It's a shame on us to insult them like this. IMO.

Do you worry that some harm might come to the animal, as a result of the
name or (in the case of a parrot) the swearing? That is, that someone
would
get hostile because of those things and take it out on the animal? I've
never heard of any such incidents, but there are certainly some highly
strung individuals who would not be hard to set off. But then in that
case,
I wouldn't want my animals anywhere near that person no matter what their
names are. There are nutcases out there no matter what you do.

Otherwise, I can't see what harm it does to the animal. A cat's dignity
is not defined by a name given to it by a human. Now, falling off the
windowsill, that's another matter. (Wash, wash, wash - I meant to do
that!)



You have not understood my point at all and it is too late at night here in
Britain for me to have time to explain it It's my bedtime.

Oh, I think we all "understand" your point - it's just that
we a) consider it trivial and b) disagree with it! The only
person who might find such odd-ball names embarrassing would
be the person obliged to summon the animal by calling its
name aloud, outdoors - and he/she presumable came to terms
with the issue before the "christening". (I can assure you,
the animal couldn't care less!)

I think the world of Ketzl but it doesn't stop me from calling him things
like Dirtbag, Fatso, Fuzzy No-Nuts (his Mafia name), Twink, Doofus and a host
of others fitting the particular mood and situation. (I do call him by his
real name, which he recognizes, when we're having a serious interchange.) I
doubt very much that he minds being called any of those names, as long as I
say it with affection or in fun, and overall he knows he's in charge. Heck, I
even call him "Dawg" once in a while. He seems to like it. (How do I know
this? Well, I just infer it, don't I?)

--
Joey DoWop Dee
Remember: It is To Laugh

Ketzl's Dad wrote:

I think the world of Ketzl but it doesn't stop me from calling him things
like Dirtbag, Fatso, Fuzzy No-Nuts (his Mafia name), Twink, Doofus and a
host of others fitting the particular mood and situation.

LOL, I like "Fuzzy No-Nuts". It would be great if that name were appropriate
for all male cats (except sphinx cats, of course ).

Joyce

That being said, I wouldn't have thought the original suggested
penises to me - I know the term in that context, but it isn't
common enough around here for that to be the first meaning I'd
think of. The frequency of use of various slang expressions
varies considerably from place to place.

It's close to zero here for the one I suggested. I've never heard
anyone in the UK use it and I've only met with it in D.H. Lawrence's
novels (as I said, it was a literary allusion, and on top of a
historical one at that).

A quick scan through Roger's Profanisaurus would suggest a lot more
names that nobody anywhere would figure out on their own.

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Christina Websell wrote:

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Christina Websell wrote:


I don't agree with naming pets with such names, neither do I like birds
being taught to swear.
They are innocent. It's a shame on us to insult them like this. IMO.

Do you worry that some harm might come to the animal, as a result of the
name or (in the case of a parrot) the swearing? That is, that someone
would
get hostile because of those things and take it out on the animal? I've
never heard of any such incidents, but there are certainly some highly
strung individuals who would not be hard to set off. But then in that
case,
I wouldn't want my animals anywhere near that person no matter what their
names are. There are nutcases out there no matter what you do.

Otherwise, I can't see what harm it does to the animal. A cat's dignity
is not defined by a name given to it by a human. Now, falling off the
windowsill, that's another matter. (Wash, wash, wash - I meant to do
that!)



You have not understood my point at all and it is too late at night here
in Britain for me to have time to explain it It's my bedtime.

Oh, I think we all "understand" your point - it's just that we a) consider
it trivial and b) disagree with it!

What a rude post.
I don't consider it trivial at all.
Yes, cats have no idea what their name might mean. Would you call either of
your girls something like "Big Tits" or the C word?

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That being said, I wouldn't have thought the original suggested
penises to me - I know the term in that context, but it isn't
common enough around here for that to be the first meaning I'd
think of. The frequency of use of various slang expressions
varies considerably from place to place.

It's close to zero here for the one I suggested. I've never heard
anyone in the UK use it and I've only met with it in D.H. Lawrence's
novels (as I said, it was a literary allusion, and on top of a
historical one at that).

You know very well that if you ask anyone in the UK what it means they will
say penis. Stop trying to wriggle out of being found out suggesting to
someone in another country that it's a good name for a cat.

Tweed