[OT] I dare you all...

Call me a troll but I am crying my heart out right now in sorrow. I had
heard and read some facts about mass production of meat but the knowledge
was purely conceptual until today.

Before you post any recipe, I dare you to watch this to the end:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69508770398194

(narrated by Alec Baldwin, and one of today's "top movers and shakers" on
google video)

Sorry. I am so very sorry.

"Pat" wrote in message
et...
Call me a troll but I am crying my heart out right now in sorrow. I had
heard and read some facts about mass production of meat but the knowledge
was purely conceptual until today.

Before you post any recipe, I dare you to watch this to the end:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69508770398194

(narrated by Alec Baldwin, and one of today's "top movers and shakers" on
google video)

Sorry. I am so very sorry.



I am not even going to go here and I am not talking about the propaganda
movie

"Pat" wrote in message
et...
Call me a troll but I am crying my heart out right now in sorrow. I had
heard and read some facts about mass production of meat but the knowledge
was purely conceptual until today.

Before you post any recipe, I dare you to watch this to the end:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69508770398194

(narrated by Alec Baldwin, and one of today's "top movers and shakers" on
google video)

Sorry. I am so very sorry.



I also forgot to add it won't stop me from having fried chicken, a hamburger
or bacon. I am not heartless person either but here is the blunt of it. It
ain't no different from it happening on a farm that quite a few of us were
raised on but in larger scale.

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Matthew purred:
"Pat" wrote in message
et...
Call me a troll but I am crying my heart out right now in sorrow. I
had heard and read some facts about mass production of meat but the
knowledge was purely conceptual until today.

Before you post any recipe, I dare you to watch this to the end:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69508770398194

(narrated by Alec Baldwin, and one of today's "top movers and
shakers" on google video)

Sorry. I am so very sorry.



I also forgot to add it won't stop me from having fried chicken, a
hamburger or bacon. I am not heartless person either but here is the
blunt of it. It ain't no different from it happening on a farm that
quite a few of us were raised on but in larger scale.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm... bacon.......... insert Homer Simpson drooling noise

"Magic Mood Jeep©" wrote

| I also forgot to add it won't stop me from having fried chicken, a
| hamburger or bacon. I am not heartless person either but here is the
| blunt of it. It ain't no different from it happening on a farm that
| quite a few of us were raised on but in larger scale.

I'm so glad I wasn't raised on any farm where animals were treated that way

Pat wrote:
"Magic Mood Jeep©" wrote

I also forgot to add it won't stop me from having fried chicken, a
hamburger or bacon. I am not heartless person either but here is
the blunt of it. It ain't no different from it happening on a farm
that quite a few of us were raised on but in larger scale.

I'm so glad I wasn't raised on any farm where animals were treated
that way

They still slaughter them, Pat. Ever watch the PBS Series 'Frontier House'?
Where they raised the chickens in a crowded coop and then chopped the head
off the one who wasn't laying eggs? Turned her into chicken dinner. Or
slaughtered the family pig even though the young boy had named it and he
cried. They had to butcher it to survive. Same sort of thing. As Matthew
said, this is just on a mass production scale. A video won't convince me to
be a vegetarian, I don't give a crap who narrates it.

"jmcquown" wrote

| A video won't convince me to be a vegetarian,
| I don't give a crap who narrates it.

Far be it from me to attempt to convince you of anything, by any means. I
don't give a crap what you do. In fact, please go eat as much bacon grease
as you can, right now.

http://www.allenginsberg.org/library...deo&AGTID=7012

In my opinion we can't do much about the fact that the majority of us must
eat meat. What about those people who can't afford to buy expensive
vegetarian/organic/free range meat? It's very easy to condemn them, and say
'Well, go without electricity or something...as long as no animals die'. If
you do have the money and strong convictions to forswear animal products,
good for you, but I find Peta to be unreasonably condemning. I know that in
my country, (Australia) we have people living in the worst conditions in the
world, worse than all those countries that are on the news all the time for
war and famine. They probably don't have much time or energy to worry about
how their sauasages were killed. For myself, I can't afford to feed my
family vegetarian diet or free range and certified humane meat. Because I
have to feed a family of four on approx. $10/meal max. Am I to be condemned
for this? Or would you rather know that our long-term goal is to reach the
point where we can buy our own land, and live an environmentally sustainable
life, knowing that what we eat had as good a life as we could give it.
Despite the good intentions of western society, who can afford to worry
about such things, farming animals for meat will continue long after our
civilization has gone. We do the best we can in our own lifetime, but I
disagree with judging others and expecting them to live up to the standards
we congratulate ourselves for maintaining.

In et,
Pat purred:
Call me a troll but I am crying my heart out right now in sorrow. I
had heard and read some facts about mass production of meat but the
knowledge was purely conceptual until today.

Before you post any recipe, I dare you to watch this to the end:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69508770398194

(narrated by Alec Baldwin, and one of today's "top movers and
shakers" on google video)

Sorry. I am so very sorry.

Watched it - PETA propaganda is all I can say. I disregard anything that
mentions them (and they were mentioned), as well as anything Alec Baldwin
does - and why is he still in this country?? Didn't he, Susan Sarandon &
Tim Robbins all state that they would leave if GW were elected - the first
time? It's been 7 years now, and they're still here (and so is GW). Time
for them to own up to their "promises" LOL

And talk about misleading info - the comment on the side states that humans
didn't "eat meat until recently"..... um, didn't they find animal bones
that had obviously been gnawed on by 'humans'* when they excavated ancient
remains? I'm talking way before the Egyptians, Romans & Greeks took over...
not thousands, but millions of years old. They know that it was the 'human'
that gnawed on it as when they found the human remains, the jaw bone & teeth
matched the marks on the critter bone.

Homo Sapiens evolved (or were intelligently designed - whatever your belief)
as *OMNI*vores - eating both meat and plant for sustenance. The proof is
not in the digestive tract - which is inefficient in all animals - else we
wouldn't poo - (why do cows have 4 stomachs? So they can grind their food
better. Why do you think dried dung (herbivore poo) burns in a fire? Because
there is so much un-processed vegetation in it.)... The proof is in the
*TEETH*. We have both sharp cutting teeth (canines & incisors) for cutting
meat, and grinders (molars & bicuspids) for grinding vegetation into a pulp.

And another screw up - "chimps" are not obligate
vegetarians/vegans/herbivores. If they have a chance to catch a frog,
lizard, bird or some other animal - they will, and eat it. Their teeth are
like ours - but worse - each 'chimp' is about as strong as 4 humans - so 4X
the biting power.

* I use the term 'human' loosely here - meaning all versions, Neanderthal,
homo erectus, homo sapien, or whatever the others are.


--
Earth first! Make Mars our bitch! - Dale Gribble "King of the Hill"

"Magic Mood Jeep©" wrote
| Pat purred:
| Call me a troll but I am crying my heart out right now in sorrow. I
| had heard and read some facts about mass production of meat but the
| knowledge was purely conceptual until today.
|
| Before you post any recipe, I dare you to watch this to the end:
| http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69508770398194
|
| (narrated by Alec Baldwin, and one of today's "top movers and
| shakers" on google video)
|
| Sorry. I am so very sorry.
|
| Watched it - PETA propaganda is all I can say.

OK, I guess I'm really ignorant but I don't understand what PETA might have
to gain by doing this. If they are a group who cares about animal welfare,
as they claim, I cannot imagine that they would fake the scenes of animal
suffering shown in that video.

| The proof is in the
| *TEETH*. We have both sharp cutting teeth (canines & incisors) for
cutting
| meat, and grinders (molars & bicuspids) for grinding vegetation into a
pulp.

Yeah - 4/32 are canines (for tearing), 8/32 are incisors (for slicing) and
20/32 are for grinding. I'm not the one who made those comments, and I do
eat a small amount of animal flesh - mostly fish, and occasionally, when I
can find it, some poultry that was humanely raised and killed - about in
proportion to my dental design, which would be about 1/16th of my diet.

Anyway after seeing this video, I'm thinking very hard about searching for a
brand of cat food that does not use meat from the tortured creatures seen in
that video.