Hill's Feline S/D, Hill's Feline CD-S

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
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Pet Allergies, remedies for an epidemic

Great information, Cheryl. I've been wanting to read that book.

Why? Aren't you ignorant enough? I think you're *afraid* to read *real*
veterinary nutrition texts because they might shock you into reality...

Don't forget to read the foreword by William Shatner.... Now there's a real
"authority" on veterinary nutrition! He studied veterinary nutrition at
Star Fleet Academy!!! LOL!

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
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From: (GAUBSTER2)

Oh boy. shaking my head in frustration We've gone over this so
many
times
before....

1) Ground and cooked corn is about 99% digestible for starters.

2) Corn is high in linoleic acid for a healthy skin and coat.

3) Corn is one of the least allergenic grains out there.

...and there's many more.


References? didn't think so...

SACN IV. I've already posted this info before (and so has Steve Crane).
Care
to apologize? "didn't think so"


For what? All you did was quote a book that Steve posted, Small Animal
Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. is published by the Mark Morris Institute also
known as Hill's Science Diet. I want YOU to tell me, including
references,
exactly how corn is appropriate for a carnivore, and references from
Hill's
don't count.


....but your au naturel fanatic cult references do count? LMAO! *None* of
your au naturel fanatic cult vets-turned-booksellers are certified
nutritionists... Some aren't even vets! In fact *none* of the references
that you have *ever* posted were written by *certified* nutritionists! SACN
is infinitely more credible than you and the au naturel fanatics you quote
and cite!

Small Animal Clinical Nutrition was written by *three* *certified*
nutritionists - Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition,
and one Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine
and is the accepted nutrition text in *every* veterinary university in North
America if not the world.... So if SACN isn't good enough for you.... tough
sh!t...that's just too bad.... Learn to live with it...

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
From: (GAUBSTER2)

Oh boy. shaking my head in frustration We've gone over this so
many
times
before....

1) Ground and cooked corn is about 99% digestible for starters.

2) Corn is high in linoleic acid for a healthy skin and coat.

3) Corn is one of the least allergenic grains out there.

...and there's many more.


References? didn't think so...

SACN IV. I've already posted this info before (and so has Steve Crane).
Care
to apologize? "didn't think so"


For what? All you did was quote a book that Steve posted, Small Animal
Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. is published by the Mark Morris Institute also
known as Hill's Science Diet. I want YOU to tell me, including
references,
exactly how corn is appropriate for a carnivore, and references from
Hill's
don't count.


....but your au naturel fanatic cult references do count? LMAO! *None* of
your au naturel fanatic cult vets-turned-booksellers are certified
nutritionists... Some aren't even vets! In fact *none* of the references
that you have *ever* posted were written by *certified* nutritionists! SACN
is infinitely more credible than you and the au naturel fanatics you quote
and cite!

Small Animal Clinical Nutrition was written by *three* *certified*
nutritionists - Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition,
and one Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine
and is the accepted nutrition text in *every* veterinary university in North
America if not the world.... So if SACN isn't good enough for you.... tough
sh!t...that's just too bad.... Learn to live with it...

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...

Phil, who hates
people who don't feed commercial petfood, says.

I don't "hate people who don't feed commercial petfood"... I just don't like
compulsive liars like you who conjure up stories and "experiences" for any
topic at hand to suit your agenda...

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...

Phil, who hates
people who don't feed commercial petfood, says.

I don't "hate people who don't feed commercial petfood"... I just don't like
compulsive liars like you who conjure up stories and "experiences" for any
topic at hand to suit your agenda...

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Is this all you do? You must have one BIG A to continue doing this!

Let's see, your typical answers to me have been "call the
company yourself" "because I say so" "I called Hill's and they told me"

We already have.

"we"??? I asked YOU.

Go back and do a google search. I've given references, Steve Crane has given
references and there are probably more from Phil. However, you don't want to
accept the truth or you would have learned from the many times that info has
been posted here. If you want to go through life being ignorant, I can't stop
you!

I have no reason to
keep
wasting time on you since you don't really want to know. It goes back to
the
whole character thing that Phil directs at you--you're not honest.

I asked YOU, what exactly am I not being honest about?

It's becoming more clear to me every day that you are not an honest person,
period.

You don't believe my
aniimals did poorly on Hill's Science Diet?

I'm beginning to think not. It's true what Phil says....you DO attribute every
"problem" (some of which I think you made up in your head as you go along) to
Science Diet. That is evident by YOUR posts, not anyone else's.

Now stop
brown nosing Phil and answer the question yourself, not what Phil, who hates
people who don't feed commercial petfood, says.


Here's your dysfunctional side popping up....I highly doubt that Phil hates
owners if they don't feed commerical food. I think you are projecting your
biases onto Phil by making such a comment.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Is this all you do? You must have one BIG A to continue doing this!

Let's see, your typical answers to me have been "call the
company yourself" "because I say so" "I called Hill's and they told me"

We already have.

"we"??? I asked YOU.

Go back and do a google search. I've given references, Steve Crane has given
references and there are probably more from Phil. However, you don't want to
accept the truth or you would have learned from the many times that info has
been posted here. If you want to go through life being ignorant, I can't stop
you!

I have no reason to
keep
wasting time on you since you don't really want to know. It goes back to
the
whole character thing that Phil directs at you--you're not honest.

I asked YOU, what exactly am I not being honest about?

It's becoming more clear to me every day that you are not an honest person,
period.

You don't believe my
aniimals did poorly on Hill's Science Diet?

I'm beginning to think not. It's true what Phil says....you DO attribute every
"problem" (some of which I think you made up in your head as you go along) to
Science Diet. That is evident by YOUR posts, not anyone else's.

Now stop
brown nosing Phil and answer the question yourself, not what Phil, who hates
people who don't feed commercial petfood, says.


Here's your dysfunctional side popping up....I highly doubt that Phil hates
owners if they don't feed commerical food. I think you are projecting your
biases onto Phil by making such a comment.

In ,
Phil P. composed with style:

Don't forget to read the foreword by William Shatner.... Now
there's a real "authority" on veterinary nutrition! He studied
veterinary nutrition at Star Fleet Academy!!! LOL!

He's entitled to his opinion, as are we all.

/Actor William Shatner has been a Doberman Pinscher enthusast for more
than 30 years. "A dog in my life is as natural as kinds or a car," he
says. One of his dogs, named "Kirk" after the futuristic space
captain he has made famous in the TV and cinema Star Trek serious,
place second in its breed competition at Westminster, the country's
most prestigious dog show")/

During the mid-1970s, "Heidi", one of my young Dobermans, was having
great difficulties standing. It was "wobblers syndrome" and she would
have to be put down, one vet said.

I went to Al Plechner for a second opinion. He looked at the xrays
and said it wasn't wobblers. To my amazement, he said the problem was
diet and that he thought he could improve "Heidi" merely by changing
her food. I followed his recommendations, and in a couple of weeks
the dog was much better. Soon she was perfectly normal again, and
stayed that way, a very healthy dog, until she died at age 14.

"Heidi's" problem was, of all things, a beef allergy that severely
affected her hind legs. Once beef was removed from her diet, she was
fine.

I have been breeding Dobermans for many years and have watched with
great alarm the genetic problems that are increasingly afflicting this
breed - thin, falling hair, sores, dry coat, chronic cough.

The Dobies of the past were not the same genetically damaged animals
as today's Dobies. The more inbred they have become, the more
problems have surfaced. As you will see in this revealing book a
crisis in health and survival has developed that envelopes not just
Dobermans, but many many breeds of dogs and cats.

Al Plechner's innovative research into food, allergies and hormonal
relationships has had a big impact on the health of my dogs. All of
them, thanks to him, are doing just fine.

What Al practices, I believe, is the cutting edge of veterinary
medicine. He is a concerned animal doctor who cares about his
animals, someone not content to merely treat the symptoms on diseases.
He looks for their causes.

As the results of improper breeding becomes more and more evident in
the growing incidence of disease, the work of dedicated people like Al
Plechner becomes all that more important.

William Shatner
Los Angeles, March 1990

In ,
Phil P. composed with style:

Don't forget to read the foreword by William Shatner.... Now
there's a real "authority" on veterinary nutrition! He studied
veterinary nutrition at Star Fleet Academy!!! LOL!

He's entitled to his opinion, as are we all.

/Actor William Shatner has been a Doberman Pinscher enthusast for more
than 30 years. "A dog in my life is as natural as kinds or a car," he
says. One of his dogs, named "Kirk" after the futuristic space
captain he has made famous in the TV and cinema Star Trek serious,
place second in its breed competition at Westminster, the country's
most prestigious dog show")/

During the mid-1970s, "Heidi", one of my young Dobermans, was having
great difficulties standing. It was "wobblers syndrome" and she would
have to be put down, one vet said.

I went to Al Plechner for a second opinion. He looked at the xrays
and said it wasn't wobblers. To my amazement, he said the problem was
diet and that he thought he could improve "Heidi" merely by changing
her food. I followed his recommendations, and in a couple of weeks
the dog was much better. Soon she was perfectly normal again, and
stayed that way, a very healthy dog, until she died at age 14.

"Heidi's" problem was, of all things, a beef allergy that severely
affected her hind legs. Once beef was removed from her diet, she was
fine.

I have been breeding Dobermans for many years and have watched with
great alarm the genetic problems that are increasingly afflicting this
breed - thin, falling hair, sores, dry coat, chronic cough.

The Dobies of the past were not the same genetically damaged animals
as today's Dobies. The more inbred they have become, the more
problems have surfaced. As you will see in this revealing book a
crisis in health and survival has developed that envelopes not just
Dobermans, but many many breeds of dogs and cats.

Al Plechner's innovative research into food, allergies and hormonal
relationships has had a big impact on the health of my dogs. All of
them, thanks to him, are doing just fine.

What Al practices, I believe, is the cutting edge of veterinary
medicine. He is a concerned animal doctor who cares about his
animals, someone not content to merely treat the symptoms on diseases.
He looks for their causes.

As the results of improper breeding becomes more and more evident in
the growing incidence of disease, the work of dedicated people like Al
Plechner becomes all that more important.

William Shatner
Los Angeles, March 1990

In ,
Cheryl composed with style:
In ,
Phil P. composed with style:

Don't forget to read the foreword by William Shatner.... Now
there's a real "authority" on veterinary nutrition! He studied
veterinary nutrition at Star Fleet Academy!!! LOL!

He's entitled to his opinion, as are we all.

/Actor William Shatner has been a Doberman Pinscher enthusast for
more than 30 years. "A dog in my life is as natural as kinds or a
car," he says. One of his dogs, named "Kirk" after the futuristic
space captain he has made famous in the TV and cinema Star Trek
serious, place second in its breed competition at Westminster, the
country's most prestigious dog show")/

During the mid-1970s, "Heidi", one of my young Dobermans, was having
great difficulties standing. It was "wobblers syndrome" and she
would have to be put down, one vet said.

I went to Al Plechner for a second opinion. He looked at the xrays
and said it wasn't wobblers. To my amazement, he said the problem
was diet and that he thought he could improve "Heidi" merely by
changing her food. I followed his recommendations, and in a couple
of weeks the dog was much better. Soon she was perfectly normal
again, and stayed that way, a very healthy dog, until she died at
age 14.

"Heidi's" problem was, of all things, a beef allergy that severely
affected her hind legs. Once beef was removed from her diet, she
was fine.

I have been breeding Dobermans for many years and have watched with
great alarm the genetic problems that are increasingly afflicting
this breed - thin, falling hair, sores, dry coat, chronic cough.

The Dobies of the past were not the same genetically damaged animals
as today's Dobies. The more inbred they have become, the more
problems have surfaced. As you will see in this revealing book a
crisis in health and survival has developed that envelopes not just
Dobermans, but many many breeds of dogs and cats.

Al Plechner's innovative research into food, allergies and hormonal
relationships has had a big impact on the health of my dogs. All of
them, thanks to him, are doing just fine.

What Al practices, I believe, is the cutting edge of veterinary
medicine. He is a concerned animal doctor who cares about his
animals, someone not content to merely treat the symptoms on
diseases. He looks for their causes.

As the results of improper breeding becomes more and more evident
in the growing incidence of disease, the work of dedicated people
like Al Plechner becomes all that more important.

William Shatner
Los Angeles, March 1990

Full of typos, but I had to type it out longhand. lol Translate the
obvious mistakes and you get the idea.