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Old December 2nd 10, 05:20 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Moe is a black shorthair, a rescue kitty of indeterminate age. He is
an adult, but not elderly. He has been sick for almost a year: runny
nose, sneezing, vomiting, diarrhea, weight loss, etc. We've spent a
fortune on vet bills and medications with no solid diagnosis. I spoke
to the vet yesterday and she said the only remaining option is a $400
sonogram, but she is reasonably sure that will only show intestinal
cancer, for which she has no treatment. We have reluctantly decided to
just keep him comfortable until the end.

His eyes are still bright, he still purrs when you scritch his chin.
He can still make it to the litter box, though admittedly not all the
time. As long as he does not seem to be in pain, we will continue to
care for him.

His brother, Rascal, died suddenly in June. While we were focused on
Moe, Rascal seemed to be in perfect health. Then, one morning, he
started staggering and we rushed him to the vet. He was in total organ
failure and was gone in hours.

I can only hope that Rascal is waiting for Moe at the Bridge.
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Old December 2nd 10, 06:46 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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I am sorry to read this. I think your approach is reasonable. Spoil
him rotten and enjoy every moment you have with him. As the saying
goes "time spent with cats is never wasted." He will tell you when
it's time to go.

Rene
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Old December 2nd 10, 07:03 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:20:47 -0500, wrote:

Moe is a black shorthair, a rescue kitty of indeterminate age. He is
an adult, but not elderly. He has been sick for almost a year: runny
nose, sneezing, vomiting, diarrhea, weight loss, etc. We've spent a
fortune on vet bills and medications with no solid diagnosis. I spoke
to the vet yesterday and she said the only remaining option is a $400
sonogram, but she is reasonably sure that will only show intestinal
cancer, for which she has no treatment. We have reluctantly decided to
just keep him comfortable until the end.

His eyes are still bright, he still purrs when you scritch his chin.
He can still make it to the litter box, though admittedly not all the
time. As long as he does not seem to be in pain, we will continue to
care for him.

His brother, Rascal, died suddenly in June. While we were focused on
Moe, Rascal seemed to be in perfect health. Then, one morning, he
started staggering and we rushed him to the vet. He was in total organ
failure and was gone in hours.

I can only hope that Rascal is waiting for Moe at the Bridge.


Ok, here comes my standard speech on the subject of "when to do it".
Understand that you cannot win. Either you're going to worry that you
sent him to the bridge before his time, or you're going to worry that
you made him suffer by selfishly keeping him alive too long. They
can't talk to us and they hide their pain so well that we just have to
do what we think is best.

I know it isn't time yet, but it will come and I just figure that I
can give the speech now and you can use it when you need it. I tend to
error on keeping them alive too long I think. But it's so hard to
tell. However I refuse to dwell on whether I did it right because I
know I can't win that argument.

Purrs for you and Moe.
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Old December 3rd 10, 03:49 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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dgk wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:20:47 -0500, wrote:

Moe is a black shorthair, a rescue kitty of indeterminate age. He is
an adult, but not elderly. He has been sick for almost a year: runny
nose, sneezing, vomiting, diarrhea, weight loss, etc. We've spent a
fortune on vet bills and medications with no solid diagnosis. I spoke
to the vet yesterday and she said the only remaining option is a $400
sonogram, but she is reasonably sure that will only show intestinal
cancer, for which she has no treatment. We have reluctantly decided
to just keep him comfortable until the end.

His eyes are still bright, he still purrs when you scritch his chin.
He can still make it to the litter box, though admittedly not all the
time. As long as he does not seem to be in pain, we will continue to
care for him.

His brother, Rascal, died suddenly in June. While we were focused on
Moe, Rascal seemed to be in perfect health. Then, one morning, he
started staggering and we rushed him to the vet. He was in total
organ failure and was gone in hours.

I can only hope that Rascal is waiting for Moe at the Bridge.


Ok, here comes my standard speech on the subject of "when to do it".
Understand that you cannot win. Either you're going to worry that you
sent him to the bridge before his time, or you're going to worry that
you made him suffer by selfishly keeping him alive too long. They
can't talk to us and they hide their pain so well that we just have to
do what we think is best.

I know it isn't time yet, but it will come and I just figure that I
can give the speech now and you can use it when you need it. I tend to
error on keeping them alive too long I think. But it's so hard to
tell. However I refuse to dwell on whether I did it right because I
know I can't win that argument.

Purrs for you and Moe.


The above is kind of the reason why I side with those who put their kitties
(and other pets) down sooner rather than later. My feelings stem from the
realization that the Uniuverse is billions of years old, and we animals and
people only occupy it for the briefest bit of time. If your cat has lived a
good life, and is comfortable with you, then what does it really matter (to
him) if he dies in your arms from a vets shot? It really only matters to
you. As far as he's concerned, he was happy one minute, and dead the next.
So, most people who keep their pets alive for as long as possible, are just
risking their needless suffering for the gratification of their owners. At
75, I am looking forward to spending weeks or months suffering in some
nursing home bed dying by inches. What a blessing it would be for me to just
pass away in my sleep without ever knowing what hit me? Your cat has that
opportunity. Why would you deny him that because of your own selfishness?

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Old December 3rd 10, 04:42 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:49:38 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

The above is kind of the reason why I side with those who put their kitties
(and other pets) down sooner rather than later. My feelings stem from the
realization that the Uniuverse is billions of years old, and we animals and
people only occupy it for the briefest bit of time. If your cat has lived a
good life, and is comfortable with you, then what does it really matter (to
him) if he dies in your arms from a vets shot? It really only matters to
you. As far as he's concerned, he was happy one minute, and dead the next.
So, most people who keep their pets alive for as long as possible, are just
risking their needless suffering for the gratification of their owners. At
75, I am looking forward to spending weeks or months suffering in some
nursing home bed dying by inches. What a blessing it would be for me to just
pass away in my sleep without ever knowing what hit me?


From what you've revealed of yourself in this note, I can only say the
sooner the better.

Your cat has that opportunity. Why would you deny him that because of your own selfishness?

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Old December 3rd 10, 07:10 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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wrote:
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:49:38 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

The above is kind of the reason why I side with those who put their
kitties (and other pets) down sooner rather than later. My feelings
stem from the
realization that the Uniuverse is billions of years old, and we
animals and
people only occupy it for the briefest bit of time. If your cat has
lived a
good life, and is comfortable with you, then what does it really
matter (to
him) if he dies in your arms from a vets shot? It really only
matters to
you. As far as he's concerned, he was happy one minute, and dead the
next.
So, most people who keep their pets alive for as long as possible,
are just
risking their needless suffering for the gratification of their
owners. At 75, I am looking forward to spending weeks or months
suffering in some
nursing home bed dying by inches. What a blessing it would be for me
to just
pass away in my sleep without ever knowing what hit me?


From what you've revealed of yourself in this note, I can only say the
sooner the better.

Your cat has that opportunity. Why would you deny him that because
of your own selfishness?


Is that the best you can come up with? You must have been the capitan of
your high school debating society......Well, you may do what you please with
your pets, but I have some compassion for their suffering. When they can no
longer get any pleasure out of their lives, I put them down. You,
(apparently) force them to suffer for your own pleasure. Probably because
(like most liberals I know) you consider life, at any cost) to be the most
important thing in the universe. A pet doe3sn't know why he/she is
suffering. They can't blame it on God, as can I. So, they think they did
something wrong, or displeased you in some way. You can't explain to them
that the great christion creator of the universe wants them to suffer for no
logical reason, and that we are all trapped in this place without any
escape. So, they die thinking that its something they did. Have a nice day,
you asshole.

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Old December 6th 10, 03:10 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 22:42:17 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:49:38 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

The above is kind of the reason why I side with those who put their kitties
(and other pets) down sooner rather than later. My feelings stem from the
realization that the Uniuverse is billions of years old, and we animals and
people only occupy it for the briefest bit of time. If your cat has lived a
good life, and is comfortable with you, then what does it really matter (to
him) if he dies in your arms from a vets shot? It really only matters to
you. As far as he's concerned, he was happy one minute, and dead the next.
So, most people who keep their pets alive for as long as possible, are just
risking their needless suffering for the gratification of their owners. At
75, I am looking forward to spending weeks or months suffering in some
nursing home bed dying by inches. What a blessing it would be for me to just
pass away in my sleep without ever knowing what hit me?


From what you've revealed of yourself in this note, I can only say the
sooner the better.


What part of it was wrong? Cats are very good at hiding pain, we all
know that. When Nico had cancer the vets said that he could have a
good quality of life if I gave him these chemo pills and did all sorts
of other stuff. And he did live for six more months. But he never
climbed that cat tree while all this was going on. That meant that he
wasn't feeling well - maybe he was nauseous the whole time?

That's no way to live.

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Old December 6th 10, 03:27 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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cancer, for which she has no treatment. We have reluctantly decided to
just keep him comfortable until the end.

His eyes are still bright, he still purrs when you scritch his chin.
He can still make it to the litter box, though admittedly not all the
time. As long as he does not seem to be in pain, we will continue to
care for him.


This must be so difficult for you. Cats are so little but they are such
wonderful beings.
And when they are part of our homes, and we get to know them, they become
even more important to us. It is not easy to see a pet going through the
last stages of an illness. I hope that you will find comfort in the other
poster's words to "spoil him rotten" and that he will let you know when it's
time to go. Watch for hiding and lack of interest in anything normally
approved and appreciated by Moe.

Ignore the deranged troll posters trying to engage you in email-combat by
posting hurtful things you just don't need to hear at a time like this. I
just blocked their posts for myself so that I don't have to know they are
around. Then go back to your life, and know that you are doing the very
best you can as the custodian of your pet. Good luck and God bless you.


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Old December 6th 10, 05:04 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:27:57 -0600, "SJ"
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This must be so difficult for you. Cats are so little but they are such
wonderful beings.
And when they are part of our homes, and we get to know them, they become
even more important to us. It is not easy to see a pet going through the
last stages of an illness. I hope that you will find comfort in the other
poster's words to "spoil him rotten" and that he will let you know when it's
time to go.


Thank you. Saturday night I thought for a minute he was gone. He was
sleeping in front of the fire and, one by one, the other three cats
and the two dogs came by and sniffed at him. I thought they were
saying goodbye. Later, Moe's head fell and I thought he was gone, but
found him still breathing.

He can still jump from floor to counter, walk, and respond to
affection, so we carry on.
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Old December 6th 10, 05:08 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:10:18 -0500, dgk wrote:

From what you've revealed of yourself in this note, I can only say the
sooner the better.


What part of it was wrong?


People can hold whatever views they like. They can even post their
views here. But when they publically make unfounded and insensitive
charges about a specific individual they have never met, that's wrong.
 




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