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Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d) It seems like just yesterday that they added the 's'. What are they doing with c/d-o? Or are they following the lead of IVD and Waltham's and creating a combination urinary diet? My friend (the vet) tells me that c/d-oxl is going to be renamed x/d. Supposed to be less confusion that way?? As for IVD and Waltham....it's really not possible to have a "one size fits all" approach to effectively manage FLUTD. BTW, Hill's is the leader and everybody else follows THEM. When they can't compete, they try a different tactic such as claiming to manage both types of stones (struvite and calcium oxalate) w/ one diet. |
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s/d is formulated to dissolve *existing* struvite crystals and uroliths
that can obstruct the urethra resulting in acute renal failure and *death* in a very short time... which is tad more serious and immediate than early stage chronic renal failure. In renal failure, every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron lost will never be replaced. "This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"? You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral obstruction removed and probably still has crystals! Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes? I´ve seen them way too often, even in this group. It´s not because a person has a diploma in whatever field that they know what they are doing. If doctors kill 250 thousand people every year only in the USA because of incompetence, I don´t even want to think about the numbers regarding animals. I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths. Besides, I know for a fact that canned diet fixed my cats´problem as it has fixed other cats here. s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something about the food you're bad-mouthing.... I know that. But in that one or two month short term use, how many nephrons could be lost huh? Before you get me wrong, this is about hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons. You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background. What´s keeping you from it? |
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s/d is formulated to dissolve *existing* struvite crystals and uroliths
that can obstruct the urethra resulting in acute renal failure and *death* in a very short time... which is tad more serious and immediate than early stage chronic renal failure. In renal failure, every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron lost will never be replaced. "This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"? You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral obstruction removed and probably still has crystals! Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes? I´ve seen them way too often, even in this group. It´s not because a person has a diploma in whatever field that they know what they are doing. If doctors kill 250 thousand people every year only in the USA because of incompetence, I don´t even want to think about the numbers regarding animals. I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths. Besides, I know for a fact that canned diet fixed my cats´problem as it has fixed other cats here. s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something about the food you're bad-mouthing.... I know that. But in that one or two month short term use, how many nephrons could be lost huh? Before you get me wrong, this is about hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons. You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background. What´s keeping you from it? |
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(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com... This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage removed. Does anyone know if my other cat (who is in perfect health) will develop problems if he also starts to eat the Hill's S/D and Hill's CD-S food as well ? Thanks. Albert, Prescription Diet s/d is designed for SHORT term feeding only, never more than a couple months. It's purpose is to remove all traces of any left over "sand" (crystals). Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will shortly change names to just plain c/d) is designed for long term maintenance of a cat. There is no risk in feeding c/d to normal healthy cats, unless they have some other disease issue which would contraindicate the food. I would suggest you keep the normal kitty away from the s/d, but not worry at all about the c/d. By the way is Albert Pike your real name or did you simply adopt it from Morals and Dogma (33°)? Thanks for your advice Steve, The only trouble I have now is trying to get my cat to eat the dry S/D. He won't touch it, even with oregano, as suggested by Hill's. He also doesn't fancy the S/D canned food, but at least he eats SOME of it. Hopefully, when I have to put him on the C/D-S, he will like it. Have I been feeding my cats wrong all there years? I used to leave dry premium food out for them all day, with plenty of water, which they drank. Should I keep all the food away and only give them wet and dry food twice a day (ie 8am and 8pm) ? I'd hate to think of them hungry while I'm at work. I regret not reading about urinary tract diseases and wet food diets earlier. It seems difficult to switch my cats from a dry food diet to a wet food one. Any suggestions? No, Albert Pike is not my real name, but I do know who he is. I think I read about him in one of Manly P. Hall's books (Now there's a good name!) |
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""Liz" wrote in message om... In renal failure, Why are you mentioning renal failure? Albert did not say his cat was in renal failure...Are you trying to convolute the issue again to divert attention away from your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice? every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron lost will never be replaced. ....and *life* should be treasured. *Life* once lost can never be replaced. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no practical experience in treating cats and you know only what you read about different species, so I'll enlighten you about *real life*. Male cats, "Wiz Liz", can *die*, in a short time, from a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric *acute renal failure* and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder, or they can sustain *permanent* damage to the urethra that makes normal urination impossible - all from a urethral obstruction. Cats that already experienced an episode of urethral obstruction are at *increased* risk of experiencing another episode in a relatively short time. You obviously didn't know that. But now you do! .. "This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"? You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral obstruction removed and probably still has crystals! Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes? What mistake??? The cat *just had* a urethral obstruction removed! The mistake would be taking the cat off a diet that's specially formulated to dissolve *already existing* struvite that can easily obstruct his urethra again! *Many* cats reblock shortly after the initial obstruction has been resolved.... but obviously you didn't know that, either. But now you do! You should stay the hell out of matters that you know nothing about before your dangerous and deadly advice gets a cat killed... if your advice hasn't caused the death of a cat(s) already. I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths. You *truly* are a deceitful manipulator! That's *not* the advice I suggested that Albert ignore. I suggested that Albert ignore your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice about taking his cat off a prescription diet after his cat *just had* a urethral obstruction removed. Once *again* you've *deliberately* *manipulated* and *misinterpreted* a statement by taking it out of context to suit your purpose... *This* is the context in which the phase you *manipulated* was used: "You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral obstruction removed and probably still has crystals! I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice." Lets see you try to slither out of getting caught red-handed in yet *another* *deliberate* misrepresentation and manipulation! Its no wonder you're not "in research" any more! You can't seem to cite or quote a statement without manipulating it! s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something about the food you're bad-mouthing.... I know that. I don't think so. But in that one or two month short term use, how many nephrons could be lost huh? Do you understand the concept of "risk vs. benefit"? Apparently not. It doesn't matter how many nephrons are "saved" if the cat *dies* of acute renal failure and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder caused by a urethral obstruction, now does it? What are you going to do, pat yourself on the back for "saving" some nephrons... at the cat's funeral? What's wrong with you? Before you get me wrong, this is about hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons. No it isn't Its about *life and death* and your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. .There was no hypocrisy in my statement before you *deliberately* manipulated and misinterpreted it. That's really what you're best at. You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background. LOL! You *truly* have lost touch with reality. I knew something was seriously wrong with from when you began posting here... You've just reconfirmed my suspicions... I have *more* practical experience and *much* more background in veterinary matters and treating cats than you'll *ever* have ... and that's what I think *really* bothers you, "Wiz Liz" LOL! You should go learn something about cats and *feline* diseases and treatments before you give anymore utterly asinine and *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. What´s keeping you from it? Correcting your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice... How many of my posts does this make that you replied to after saying over and over you weren't going to respond to my posts? Do you understand the concept of poor impulse control? |
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""Liz" wrote in message om... In renal failure, Why are you mentioning renal failure? Albert did not say his cat was in renal failure...Are you trying to convolute the issue again to divert attention away from your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice? every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron lost will never be replaced. ....and *life* should be treasured. *Life* once lost can never be replaced. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no practical experience in treating cats and you know only what you read about different species, so I'll enlighten you about *real life*. Male cats, "Wiz Liz", can *die*, in a short time, from a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric *acute renal failure* and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder, or they can sustain *permanent* damage to the urethra that makes normal urination impossible - all from a urethral obstruction. Cats that already experienced an episode of urethral obstruction are at *increased* risk of experiencing another episode in a relatively short time. You obviously didn't know that. But now you do! .. "This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"? You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral obstruction removed and probably still has crystals! Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes? What mistake??? The cat *just had* a urethral obstruction removed! The mistake would be taking the cat off a diet that's specially formulated to dissolve *already existing* struvite that can easily obstruct his urethra again! *Many* cats reblock shortly after the initial obstruction has been resolved.... but obviously you didn't know that, either. But now you do! You should stay the hell out of matters that you know nothing about before your dangerous and deadly advice gets a cat killed... if your advice hasn't caused the death of a cat(s) already. I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths. You *truly* are a deceitful manipulator! That's *not* the advice I suggested that Albert ignore. I suggested that Albert ignore your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice about taking his cat off a prescription diet after his cat *just had* a urethral obstruction removed. Once *again* you've *deliberately* *manipulated* and *misinterpreted* a statement by taking it out of context to suit your purpose... *This* is the context in which the phase you *manipulated* was used: "You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral obstruction removed and probably still has crystals! I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice." Lets see you try to slither out of getting caught red-handed in yet *another* *deliberate* misrepresentation and manipulation! Its no wonder you're not "in research" any more! You can't seem to cite or quote a statement without manipulating it! s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something about the food you're bad-mouthing.... I know that. I don't think so. But in that one or two month short term use, how many nephrons could be lost huh? Do you understand the concept of "risk vs. benefit"? Apparently not. It doesn't matter how many nephrons are "saved" if the cat *dies* of acute renal failure and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder caused by a urethral obstruction, now does it? What are you going to do, pat yourself on the back for "saving" some nephrons... at the cat's funeral? What's wrong with you? Before you get me wrong, this is about hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons. No it isn't Its about *life and death* and your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. .There was no hypocrisy in my statement before you *deliberately* manipulated and misinterpreted it. That's really what you're best at. You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background. LOL! You *truly* have lost touch with reality. I knew something was seriously wrong with from when you began posting here... You've just reconfirmed my suspicions... I have *more* practical experience and *much* more background in veterinary matters and treating cats than you'll *ever* have ... and that's what I think *really* bothers you, "Wiz Liz" LOL! You should go learn something about cats and *feline* diseases and treatments before you give anymore utterly asinine and *dangerous* and *deadly* advice. What´s keeping you from it? Correcting your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice... How many of my posts does this make that you replied to after saying over and over you weren't going to respond to my posts? Do you understand the concept of poor impulse control? |
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You are either too dumb or you deliberately misinterpret everything
you read. Why waste time with you? |
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