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Old January 27th 12, 04:05 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Patok
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Winnie wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:19 pm, wrote:

In addition to changing the subject title, I also removed the
references from my first "Kindle" post. That way, my post should
not have been tied to your original thread. If it was, then I
apologize. This has come up before, and someone advised me to
remove references so that I am truly starting a new thread, not
just changing the subject line.


That would have worked. Unfortunately, there was one reference left
(the message you were replying to), and that was enough to preserve the
threading. Which program are you using, that allows editing the
references? Thunderbird (the version I'm using now) doesn't allow it.


If someone has a better solution for this, feel free to post. But I
hope it doesn't come down to "start a brand-new topic from
scratch", because I want to have quoted text from the post that
brought up a side issue I wanted to talk about. If I start from
scratch, there's no quoted text.


How about copying the quoted text and paste in a new post with the
new topic? Will that work?


This is the preferred solution. I'm doing it now - this here message
should appear alone, as a start of a new thread.
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Old January 27th 12, 04:43 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
[email protected]
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Patok wrote:

On Jan 26, 8:19 pm, wrote:


In addition to changing the subject title, I also removed the
references from my first "Kindle" post. That way, my post should
not have been tied to your original thread. If it was, then I
apologize. This has come up before, and someone advised me to
remove references so that I am truly starting a new thread, not
just changing the subject line.


That would have worked. Unfortunately, there was one reference left
(the message you were replying to), and that was enough to preserve the
threading.


Oh, that was my fault, sorry. I thought I should leave just the one
reference in, to the post I was responding to (Mary's). I didn't realize
that would connect my post back to the big thread. Mary's reference was
the most recent one, and I thought I was breaking the connection to the
prior posts by removing all the previous references. So I just learned
something, thanks.

Which program are you using, that allows editing the
references? Thunderbird (the version I'm using now) doesn't allow it.


I use tin, which gives me access to the entire headers of posts. Not
that I fiddle with them, generally.

How about copying the quoted text and paste in a new post with the
new topic? Will that work?


This is the preferred solution. I'm doing it now - this here message
should appear alone, as a start of a new thread.


Yeah, I could do that, but I think next time I'll try removing *all* the
references when starting a new thread from an old one. As you said, that
should work.

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Joyce

I prefer to live with Feline Sapiens, thank you very much.
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Old January 27th 12, 04:49 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
MatSav[_2_]
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"Patok" wrote in message
...
Winnie wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:19 pm, wrote:

In addition to changing the subject title, I also removed the
references from my first "Kindle" post. That way, my post
should
not have been tied to your original thread. If it was, then I
apologize. This has come up before, and someone advised me to
remove references so that I am truly starting a new thread,
not
just changing the subject line.


That would have worked. Unfortunately, there was one
reference left (the message you were replying to), and that was
enough to preserve the threading. Which program are you using,
that allows editing the references? Thunderbird (the version
I'm using now) doesn't allow it.


If someone has a better solution for this, feel free to post.
But I
hope it doesn't come down to "start a brand-new topic from
scratch", because I want to have quoted text from the post
that
brought up a side issue I wanted to talk about. If I start
from
scratch, there's no quoted text.


How about copying the quoted text and paste in a new post
with the new topic? Will that work?


This is the preferred solution. I'm doing it now - this here
message should appear alone, as a start of a new thread.


Sorry, Patok - as JC explained, Outlook Express won't behave in
that way. Your message is still threaded with the others, though
the Subject in your message does show as "kindle", rather than
" kindle".

--
MatSav


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Old January 27th 12, 05:23 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
CatNipped[_4_]
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On 1/26/2012 9:43 PM, wrote:
Patok wrote:

On Jan 26, 8:19 pm, wrote:


In addition to changing the subject title, I also removed the
references from my first "Kindle" post. That way, my post should
not have been tied to your original thread. If it was, then I
apologize. This has come up before, and someone advised me to
remove references so that I am truly starting a new thread, not
just changing the subject line.


That would have worked. Unfortunately, there was one reference left
(the message you were replying to), and that was enough to preserve the
threading.


Oh, that was my fault, sorry. I thought I should leave just the one
reference in, to the post I was responding to (Mary's). I didn't realize
that would connect my post back to the big thread. Mary's reference was
the most recent one, and I thought I was breaking the connection to the
prior posts by removing all the previous references. So I just learned
something, thanks.

Which program are you using, that allows editing the
references? Thunderbird (the version I'm using now) doesn't allow it.


I use tin, which gives me access to the entire headers of posts. Not
that I fiddle with them, generally.

How about copying the quoted text and paste in a new post with the
new topic? Will that work?


This is the preferred solution. I'm doing it now - this here message
should appear alone, as a start of a new thread.


Yeah, I could do that, but I think next time I'll try removing *all* the
references when starting a new thread from an old one. As you said, that
should work.


It wouldn't work if you are doing a "reply", not matter what you remove
- even if you remove the entire body of the post. I don't know if
you'll see it, but I'll show you in a sec when I reply to you again.


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Hugs,

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Old January 27th 12, 05:26 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
CatNipped[_4_]
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There, I removed the entire subject line and replaced it, and I removed
every dot of the message body. Outlook Express users and Thunderbird
users will still see this post "tucked under" (or threaded) to your post.

[Argh, I even removed my SIG which automatically appears when I reply
and Thunderbird doesn't have and "insert" button... and I'm too tired
and lazy to figure out how to put the auto-SIG back in so....]

Hugs,

CatNipped
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Old January 27th 12, 08:11 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
CatNipped[_4_]
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On 1/26/2012 9:49 PM, MatSav wrote:
wrote in message
...
Winnie wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:19 pm, wrote:

In addition to changing the subject title, I also removed the
references from my first "Kindle" post. That way, my post
should
not have been tied to your original thread. If it was, then I
apologize. This has come up before, and someone advised me to
remove references so that I am truly starting a new thread,
not
just changing the subject line.


That would have worked. Unfortunately, there was one
reference left (the message you were replying to), and that was
enough to preserve the threading. Which program are you using,
that allows editing the references? Thunderbird (the version
I'm using now) doesn't allow it.


If someone has a better solution for this, feel free to post.
But I
hope it doesn't come down to "start a brand-new topic from
scratch", because I want to have quoted text from the post
that
brought up a side issue I wanted to talk about. If I start
from
scratch, there's no quoted text.

How about copying the quoted text and paste in a new post
with the new topic? Will that work?


This is the preferred solution. I'm doing it now - this here
message should appear alone, as a start of a new thread.


Sorry, Patok - as JC explained, Outlook Express won't behave in
that way. Your message is still threaded with the others, though
the Subject in your message does show as "kindle", rather than
" kindle".


Hmmmm, Thunderbird didn't thread it - it posted for me as a new thread.

--
Hugs,

CatNipped
See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped

See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", maintained by Mark Edwards, at:
http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/

Email: L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net

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Old January 27th 12, 08:14 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
Patok
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Default kindle

CatNipped wrote:
On 1/26/2012 9:43 PM, wrote:

Yeah, I could do that, but I think next time I'll try removing *all* the
references when starting a new thread from an old one. As you said, that
should work.


It wouldn't work if you are doing a "reply", not matter what you remove
- even if you remove the entire body of the post. I don't know if
you'll see it, but I'll show you in a sec when I reply to you again.


In your case (or mine) it won't work, because we don't have so much
control. But she's using tin, which *can* remove the extraneous headers.
She understood perfectly.

Your "new thread" message was still threaded, because you were using
a program (Thunderbird) that does not display the entire enchilada of
options. You were not given the opportunity of removing those headers
that must be removed in order to start a new thread.

To summarize:
- if one is using a M$ product (Live mail, Outlook) one (apparently)
sees a new thread when the subject text changes, and (apparently)
perceives it as the same thread if the subject remains the same, no
matter if created as a new message. (I write "apparently" because I've
never used a M$ product for mail or news, and simply don't know.)
- if one is using another product, one sees the same thread only if the
message was produced by replying to a previous message in the thread,
and the "references" header of the message were not removed.

Recap: guaranteed to create a new thread from an existing one:
- create a *new* message
- type a *different* subject line
- paste any text you want to reply to, into that message as quotation
(if the program allows)
That way it will become a different thread according both to M$ and
to other readers.
 




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