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Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"cindys" wrote in message ... Hiya Cindi, products. Then, I moved to FF because I considered that it was better quality. It is- much higher protein content. As time went on, after reading this newsgroup, and after I did a bunch of reading on the internet about the importance/quality of muscle meats as opposed to byproducts Actually, by-products contain *much* more nutrients than muscle meats. Muscle meat (skeletal meat) is very deficient in most vitamins and minerals, Cats in the wild eat much more by-products than skeletal meat and after I read some excerpts from the book _Foods Pets Die For_ and learned the source of those byproducts, Oh no! Not Ann Martin! LOL! We sliced, diced and shredded most of her bull**** exaggerations a few years ago. She hasn't been back since. Her bull**** claims and exaggerations didn't stand up to scrutiny. She took a few isolated instances from a few low-end generic pet food manufacturers and extrapolated then to the whole pet food industry. If you ask me, she isn't playing with a full deck-- and then of course the melamine thing, A real nightmare for sure. But that was actually caused by one person. Watch the incidence of CRF in cats start declining. The person didn't just decide to dump a load of melamine in the wheat gluten- it was gradual-- to see how much he could get away with- I wanted to feed my cats human grade cat food which by definition cannot contain byproducts. I'm not sure you really understand what by-products are. Human foods contain by-products. This is the AAFCO definition: "Meat by-products is the non-rendered, clean parts, other than meat, derived from slaughtered mammals. It includes, but is not limited to, lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, livers, blood, bone, partially defatted low temperature fatty tissue, and stomachs and intestines freed of their contents. It does not include hair, horns, teeth and hoofs. It shall be suitable for use in animal food. If it bears name descriptive of its kind, it must correspond thereto. (9.3)" I also needed to choose one that contained few carbohydrates because of the diabetes and that was how I eventually came to Wellness. I don't know if you know that Wellnesss is manufactured by Menu Foods, too. Wellness also contains a lot of vegetables which have a higher glycemic index than most grains. At one point, I was buying Pet Promise, which I still think is an excellent quality food, but it does contain rice and potatoes. I had asked my vet if she thought FF was a good choice, and she stated that she wouldn't recommend any supermarket pet food. Most vets are clueless about nutrition. They're "educated" by pet food manufacturers' reps. I currently have been feeding my cats Wellness and FF because they really like it (despite the byproducts). My cats seem to only be willing to eat the pate varieties. I try to avoid the varieties that are chunks or slices in gravy because my cats just lick off the gravy and leave the rest. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I'm really happy you've weaned your cat off insulin!!! I've weaned several diabetic cats off insulin by feeding them Fancy Feast Oceanfish and Tuna. I also had good results with Nutro California Chicken a few years ago, but I think Nutro changed their formula. Nutro is another company that used to make great food but slid dow the pole. Best of luck, Phil |
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Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
On Sun 24 Jun 2007 06:19:06p, Phil P. wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav news:u5Cfi.10473$xy.8716@trnddc06: and then of course the melamine thing, A real nightmare for sure. But that was actually caused by one person. Watch the incidence of CRF in cats start declining. The person didn't just decide to dump a load of melamine in the wheat gluten- it was gradual-- to see how much he could get away with- Interesting thought. I'd bet that you're right. I keep reading that CRF is the biggest killer illnesses in cats. -- Cheryl |
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Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"Phil P." I don't know if you say or not Phil but Rumble has been one year off of insulin due to your and a few others recommendations THANK YOU ALL AGAIN |
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Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"Phil P." wrote in message news:u5Cfi.10473$xy.8716@trnddc06... "cindys" wrote in message ... Hiya Cindi, Hi yourself, Phil! products. Then, I moved to FF because I considered that it was better quality. It is- much higher protein content. As time went on, after reading this newsgroup, and after I did a bunch of reading on the internet about the importance/quality of muscle meats as opposed to byproducts Actually, by-products contain *much* more nutrients than muscle meats. Muscle meat (skeletal meat) is very deficient in most vitamins and minerals, Cats in the wild eat much more by-products than skeletal meat I thought the by-products were processed parts of the animals, parts that were unusable for humans and would be rejected by the FDA. and after I read some excerpts from the book _Foods Pets Die For_ and learned the source of those byproducts, Oh no! Not Ann Martin! LOL! We sliced, diced and shredded most of her bull**** exaggerations a few years ago. She hasn't been back since. Thanks for saving me time and money. I was going to buy her book. Now, I won't. Her bull**** claims and exaggerations didn't stand up to scrutiny. She took a few isolated instances from a few low-end generic pet food manufacturers and extrapolated then to the whole pet food industry. If you ask me, she isn't playing with a full deck-- and then of course the melamine thing, A real nightmare for sure. But that was actually caused by one person. Yup. Watch the incidence of CRF in cats start declining. The person didn't just decide to dump a load of melamine in the wheat gluten- it was gradual-- to see how much he could get away with- Yup. I wanted to feed my cats human grade cat food which by definition cannot contain byproducts. I'm not sure you really understand what by-products are. Human foods contain by-products. This is the AAFCO definition: "Meat by-products is the non-rendered, clean parts, other than meat, derived from slaughtered mammals. It includes, but is not limited to, lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, livers, blood, bone, partially defatted low temperature fatty tissue, and stomachs and intestines freed of their contents. It does not include hair, horns, teeth and hoofs. It shall be suitable for use in animal food. If it bears name descriptive of its kind, it must correspond thereto. (9.3)" This is just the opposite of what I thought the byproducts were. I thought they were rendered, nonclean parts etc and *did* include horns, hair, teeth, hoofs, etc However, I *thought* I got my information regarding the preferability of muscle meats from the website where the veterinarian explains about cat food and then recommends a few different ones, but I've read so many things, I really can't say for sure. I also needed to choose one that contained few carbohydrates because of the diabetes and that was how I eventually came to Wellness. I don't know if you know that Wellnesss is manufactured by Menu Foods, too. Wellness also contains a lot of vegetables which have a higher glycemic index than most grains. Interesting. At one point, I was buying Pet Promise, which I still think is an excellent quality food, but it does contain rice and potatoes. I had asked my vet if she thought FF was a good choice, and she stated that she wouldn't recommend any supermarket pet food. Most vets are clueless about nutrition. They're "educated" by pet food manufacturers' reps. I can't speak for the supermarket brand, but I did know the Pet Promise was good food and it was available in the supermarket. When I asked the vet about it, she was completely unfamiliar with it. I currently have been feeding my cats Wellness and FF because they really like it (despite the byproducts). My cats seem to only be willing to eat the pate varieties. I try to avoid the varieties that are chunks or slices in gravy because my cats just lick off the gravy and leave the rest. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I'm really happy you've weaned your cat off insulin!!! It happened almost immediately after I put him on canned food (and Purina OM dry). I've weaned several diabetic cats off insulin by feeding them Fancy Feast Oceanfish and Tuna. That's another flavor I sometimes buy in addition to the Tender Beef Feast. Phil, I just want to thank you again for all your help. I also want to share with you (and don't ask me how this could be, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth), that Alex's BUN is back to being within normal limits. His creatinine is still abnormal but has come down considerably and is much closer to the normal range. I followed your advice and did not put him on low protein cat food (contrary to the vet's advice). I also give him potassium and omega-3 supplementation on the basis of your advice. I have done subcu fluids a few times, but overall not, as the vet says he doesn't really need them at this point. I can't say he's bouncy and perky, but for a senior cat, he's doing okay. I do give him Pepcid daily now and that seems to keep his appetite up. The vet now says he seems stable, and even though he has CRF, he could potentially stay at his current numbers for several years without the disease actually progressing. Once again, thank you so much for all your help. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I also had good results with Nutro California Chicken a few years ago, but I think Nutro changed their formula. Nutro is another company that used to make great food but slid dow the pole. Best of luck, Phil |
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Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
cindys wrote:
This is just the opposite of what I thought the byproducts were. I thought they were rendered, nonclean parts etc and *did* include horns, hair, teeth, hoofs, etc However, I *thought* I got my information regarding the preferability of muscle meats from the website where the veterinarian explains about cat food and then recommends a few different ones, but I've read so many things, I really can't say for sure. Hey Cindy, This was an interesting bit of additional grossness from one cat site: -------------------- Definition: Meat By-Products are parts of slaughtered animals, not including meat (please note: no muscle meat included). Included are lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, blood, bone, partially defatted low-temperature fatty tissue, and stomach and intestines freed of their contents. What AAFCO doesn't mention is that meat byproducts may also legally contain: "4D animals (dead, dying, diseased, down), road kill, euthanized cats and dogs, including their collars. These source products are rendered, the fat is siphoned off to be used as "animal fat," and the remaining material is extruded to form "meat by-product meal." From: http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodglos...meatbyprod.htm -------------------- Ick! And don't get me started on gelatin for humans. I can no longer eat Jello (or gummi bears for that matter) since I found out it's boiled bones and tissues and stuff. Charlie -- the sun will come out tomorrow. Rhonda |
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Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"Rhonda" wrote in message ... cindys wrote: This is just the opposite of what I thought the byproducts were. I thought they were rendered, nonclean parts etc and *did* include horns, hair, teeth, hoofs, etc However, I *thought* I got my information regarding the preferability of muscle meats from the website where the veterinarian explains about cat food and then recommends a few different ones, but I've read so many things, I really can't say for sure. Hey Cindy, This was an interesting bit of additional grossness from one cat site: -------------------- Definition: Meat By-Products are parts of slaughtered animals, not including meat (please note: no muscle meat included). Included are lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, blood, bone, partially defatted low-temperature fatty tissue, and stomach and intestines freed of their contents. What AAFCO doesn't mention is that meat byproducts may also legally contain: "4D animals (dead, dying, diseased, down), road kill, euthanized cats and dogs, including their collars. These source products are rendered, the fat is siphoned off to be used as "animal fat," and the remaining material is extruded to form "meat by-product meal." From: http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodglos...meatbyprod.htm -------------------- This is what I previously read as well (but on a different website). That was precisely why I was trying to avoid cat food with byproducts. Best regards, ---Cindy S. Ick! And don't get me started on gelatin for humans. I can no longer eat Jello (or gummi bears for that matter) since I found out it's boiled bones and tissues and stuff. Charlie -- the sun will come out tomorrow. Rhonda |
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Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"Rhonda" wrote Hey Cindy, This was an interesting bit of additional grossness from one cat site: -------------------- Definition: Meat By-Products are parts of slaughtered animals, not including meat (please note: no muscle meat included). Included are lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, blood, bone, partially defatted low-temperature fatty tissue, and stomach and intestines freed of their contents. What AAFCO doesn't mention is that meat byproducts may also legally contain: "4D animals (dead, dying, diseased, down), road kill, euthanized cats and dogs, including their collars. These source products are rendered, the fat is siphoned off to be used as "animal fat," and the remaining material is extruded to form "meat by-product meal." From: http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodglos...meatbyprod.htm -------------------- Rhonda, I don't believe that the pet food we buy in the US can contain euthanized dogs and cats and their collars. Horse ****. |
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Byproduicts, what are they? was Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"Rhonda" wrote What AAFCO doesn't mention is that meat byproducts may also legally contain: "4D animals (dead, dying, diseased, down), road kill, euthanized cats and dogs, including their collars. These source products are rendered, the fat is siphoned off to be used as "animal fat," and the remaining material is extruded to form "meat by-product meal." I note that although the author puts this section in quotes, she does not name her source. I looked but can't find a way to email her from the site. It may be true, but it sure doesn't ring true to me. |
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Byproduicts, what are they? was Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
"cybercat" wrote in message ... "Rhonda" wrote What AAFCO doesn't mention is that meat byproducts may also legally contain: "4D animals (dead, dying, diseased, down), road kill, euthanized cats and dogs, including their collars. These source products are rendered, the fat is siphoned off to be used as "animal fat," and the remaining material is extruded to form "meat by-product meal." I note that although the author puts this section in quotes, she does not name her source. I looked but can't find a way to email her from the site. It may be true, but it sure doesn't ring true to me. -------- Maybe her source was Ann Martin ? Best regards, ---Cindy S. |
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Byproduicts, what are they? was Report on Alex for Phil -- Pro-Plan versus Fancy Feast
On Wed 27 Jun 2007 04:26:56p, cybercat wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav : "Rhonda" wrote What AAFCO doesn't mention is that meat byproducts may also legally contain: "4D animals (dead, dying, diseased, down), road kill, euthanized cats and dogs, including their collars. These source products are rendered, the fat is siphoned off to be used as "animal fat," and the remaining material is extruded to form "meat by-product meal." I note that although the author puts this section in quotes, she does not name her source. I looked but can't find a way to email her from the site. It may be true, but it sure doesn't ring true to me. Nothing about pet food surprises me anymore. What I go on is how my cats health is. Are they thriving? Suffering? I'm beginning to think that bloodwork at every yearly exam has to be done. We need baselines of their health. -- Cheryl |
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