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Follow-up: Wish Me Luck!
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2012 7:03 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2012 5:33 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Pretty certain they'd see that it's not enough to buy actual liquor (even if you buy cartons at a time). Not true, unfortunately! Last time I checked, a carton of cigarettes was considerably more expensive than a fifth of moderately priced liquor. (I can remember when cigarettes were about $3.00 a carton - now they're about twice than much a PACK - one more reason for trying to kick the addiction!) I heard that getting off nicotine is harder than getting off heroin. Tweed One of my brothers became addicted to heroin when we lived in SE Asia. He was in high school. My parents let him smoke cigarettes to ease the withdrawal. Jill And did it help? Tweed It seemed to. Of course my mother slept in the hallway, on the floor, across from his bedroom door. My father slept across the door to the balcony so he couldn't sneak out to "score". I'm sure those were extremely stressful times for them and they did whatever they thought was best. My mom, brother and I came back to the US and lived with her parents for 6 months. Oh the small town mentality! My dad had to finish his tour of duty in Thailand. My oldest brother was about to graduate high school. They made the decision not to yank him out of school; let him graduate with his friends. So Mom, my middle brother and I moved to this tiny town in Ohio. I hated living there. The people were ignorant. When the teacher introduced me to the class and said I'd just moved there from Bangkok, the kids started calling me "Jap". Oh dear. If anyone needed history lessons it's these children. I did enjoy getting to spend time with my grandparents. I just wish I'd been old enough to ask them questions I only thought of later. I was really happy when my father and brother moved back to the States. Anything to get out of that town in Ohio! How is your heroin addicted brother doing now? the idea that cigarettes might help get him off it is not supported. It's my worst nightmare, that one of my baby brothers would grow up and take heroin. Luckily, they are both successful in their jobs, I doubt they take drugs, and they know that their big sister would kill them if they did. I didn't spend ages teaching them to read before they went to school to give them an advantage if they wasted it. I also taught them how to use a knife and fork in the correct way. Teachers tell us that 5 year olds are coming to school with no idea of using knife/fork and not a clue about polite behaviour around the table. Well, I taught my boys when they were 3-4 about table manners and how to handle a knife and fork. they still remember it (they are 40) They remember everything - like when I taught them how to sing in harmony. They say that is one of their most precious memories. when I was saying "In Hans old Mill, there were three black cats(come in boys) and they loved it and have never forgotten singing in harmony even now. I learnt this song at school. I'd love to see it again. In Hans old Mill the three black cats search for the rats in the thieving night. Whisker and claw they search in the night (I forget the rest) does anyone know it? |
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Adrian" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Pretty certain they'd see that it's not enough to buy actual liquor (even if you buy cartons at a time). Not true, unfortunately! Last time I checked, a carton of cigarettes was considerably more expensive than a fifth of moderately priced liquor. (I can remember when cigarettes were about $3.00 a carton - now they're about twice than much a PACK - one more reason for trying to kick the addiction!) I heard that getting off nicotine is harder than getting off heroin. Tweed It will be 12 years in November since I last smoked, but I still get the craving especially if I smell one. -- Adrian getting off nicotine is also as bad as getting off drink if you are an alcoholic. Well done that man. Tweed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My sister and I never smoked, but my brother was a chain smoker--several packs a day. He was almost never seen without a cigarette in his hand, and he used to say that smoking was the one habit that was impossible for him to break. Then, one year, he asked his wife what she wanted for their anniversary. She asked him if he could give up smoking for her. He got a prescription from the doctor and gradually quit. I think it has now been 20-25 years since he smoked. He also started a fund where he put all the money in the account that he *would* have used on smoking. He eventually bought a new car (an Acura) with that money, and we are all very proud of him. MaryL |
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MaryL wrote:
My sister and I never smoked, but my brother was a chain smoker--several packs a day. He was almost never seen without a cigarette in his hand, and he used to say that smoking was the one habit that was impossible for him to break. Then, one year, he asked his wife what she wanted for their anniversary. She asked him if he could give up smoking for her. He got a prescription from the doctor and gradually quit. I think it has now been 20-25 years since he smoked. He also started a fund where he put all the money in the account that he *would* have used on smoking. He eventually bought a new car (an Acura) with that money, and we are all very proud of him. Great story! Good for him. It's hard enough to quit even when you want to, but to do it for someone else takes even more commitment. And that's fantastic about the car. That story should be told to newbies in quit-smoking support groups. Especially since the account would grow a lot faster now than it did when your brother quit. I quit 25 years ago this summer, and although I still have smoking dreams occasionally, I rarely have a craving for one. Once the drug was out of my system, I was pretty content to think of myself as a non-smoker. I only smoked for 7 years, but it felt like a long time while I was going through it. I quit several times, and kept going back to it, during those 7 years before I finally quit for good in July 1987. Now the amount of time I smoked is dwarfed by the amount of time that's passed since I had my last one. -- Joyce Mother teach me to walk again Milk and honey, so intoxicating -- Sarah McLaughlin |
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Christina Websell wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2012 7:03 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2012 5:33 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Pretty certain they'd see that it's not enough to buy actual liquor (even if you buy cartons at a time). Not true, unfortunately! Last time I checked, a carton of cigarettes was considerably more expensive than a fifth of moderately priced liquor. (I can remember when cigarettes were about $3.00 a carton - now they're about twice than much a PACK - one more reason for trying to kick the addiction!) I heard that getting off nicotine is harder than getting off heroin. Tweed One of my brothers became addicted to heroin when we lived in SE Asia. He was in high school. My parents let him smoke cigarettes to ease the withdrawal. Jill And did it help? Tweed It seemed to. Of course my mother slept in the hallway, on the floor, across from his bedroom door. My father slept across the door to the balcony so he couldn't sneak out to "score". I'm sure those were extremely stressful times for them and they did whatever they thought was best. My mom, brother and I came back to the US and lived with her parents for 6 months. Oh the small town mentality! My dad had to finish his tour of duty in Thailand. My oldest brother was about to graduate high school. They made the decision not to yank him out of school; let him graduate with his friends. So Mom, my middle brother and I moved to this tiny town in Ohio. I hated living there. The people were ignorant. When the teacher introduced me to the class and said I'd just moved there from Bangkok, the kids started calling me "Jap". Oh dear. If anyone needed history lessons it's these children. I did enjoy getting to spend time with my grandparents. I just wish I'd been old enough to ask them questions I only thought of later. I was really happy when my father and brother moved back to the States. Anything to get out of that town in Ohio! How is your heroin addicted brother doing now? the idea that cigarettes might help get him off it is not supported. It's my worst nightmare, that one of my baby brothers would grow up and take heroin. Luckily, they are both successful in their jobs, I doubt they take drugs, and they know that their big sister would kill them if they did. I didn't spend ages teaching them to read before they went to school to give them an advantage if they wasted it. I also taught them how to use a knife and fork in the correct way. Teachers tell us that 5 year olds are coming to school with no idea of using knife/fork and not a clue about polite behaviour around the table. Well, I taught my boys when they were 3-4 about table manners and how to handle a knife and fork. they still remember it (they are 40) They remember everything - like when I taught them how to sing in harmony. They say that is one of their most precious memories. when I was saying "In Hans old Mill, there were three black cats(come in boys) and they loved it and have never forgotten singing in harmony even now. I learnt this song at school. I'd love to see it again. In Hans old Mill the three black cats search for the rats in the thieving night. Whisker and claw they search in the night (I forget the rest) does anyone know it? Is it this one? If you click on "Show More" below the video, it's got the lyrics, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_f1lNYYtJY -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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On 8/22/2012 9:49 PM, Christina Websell wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2012 7:03 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2012 5:33 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Pretty certain they'd see that it's not enough to buy actual liquor (even if you buy cartons at a time). Not true, unfortunately! Last time I checked, a carton of cigarettes was considerably more expensive than a fifth of moderately priced liquor. (I can remember when cigarettes were about $3.00 a carton - now they're about twice than much a PACK - one more reason for trying to kick the addiction!) I heard that getting off nicotine is harder than getting off heroin. Tweed One of my brothers became addicted to heroin when we lived in SE Asia. He was in high school. My parents let him smoke cigarettes to ease the withdrawal. Jill And did it help? Tweed It seemed to. Of course my mother slept in the hallway, on the floor, across from his bedroom door. My father slept across the door to the balcony so he couldn't sneak out to "score". I'm sure those were extremely stressful times for them and they did whatever they thought was best. How is your heroin addicted brother doing now? the idea that cigarettes might help get him off it is not supported. Supported or not, in 1971 who knew? It seemed to help ease the stress of withdrawal. He's fine. He kicked it the heroin and went on to graduate from high school and college. He became a programmer and systems analyst. I think he's retired now. This is the brother I haven't spoken to after he gave me such a hard time about the terms of our mom's Will. As far as I know he's still doing fine. I understand (through my oldest brother) he recently sold his house and moved to Texas. Beyond that, I have no clue. Jill |
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Cheryl wrote:
On 22/08/2012 10:11 PM, Christina Websell wrote: "Joy" wrote in message . .. "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Adrian" wrote in message ... "Christina Websell" wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Pretty certain they'd see that it's not enough to buy actual liquor (even if you buy cartons at a time). Not true, unfortunately! Last time I checked, a carton of cigarettes was considerably more expensive than a fifth of moderately priced liquor. (I can remember when cigarettes were about $3.00 a carton - now they're about twice than much a PACK - one more reason for trying to kick the addiction!) I heard that getting off nicotine is harder than getting off heroin. Tweed It will be 12 years in November since I last smoked, but I still get the craving especially if I smell one. -- Adrian getting off nicotine is also as bad as getting off drink if you are an alcoholic. Well done that man. Tweed Yes, congratulations! My late husband quit smoking, but only after he'd been diagnosed with lung cancer, and by then it was too late. Joy My grandfather died of lung cancer. He never smoked. We think it was because he was a carpenter and inhaled wood dust. Lung cancer can occur (although not often) in non-smokers for reasons no one understands - one of my grandmothers, a non-smoking small-town housewife who was never exposed to any of the usual industrial suspects, died of lung cancer. And others who smoke heavily all their lives, like my father, die of something else entirely at an advanced age. Smoking increases the risk of lung cancer but doesn't guarantee it - and there's no way to predict in advance which smoker will get it and which won't. My next door neighbour died of lung cancer, never smoked in his life and didn't work in industry (he was a financial consultant). He was only 61, his funeral is tomorrow. :-( -- Adrian |
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"MaryL" wrote:
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Adrian" wrote in message ... getting off nicotine is also as bad as getting off drink if you are an alcoholic. Well done that man. Tweed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My sister and I never smoked, but my brother was a chain smoker--several packs a day. He was almost never seen without a cigarette in his hand, and he used to say that smoking was the one habit that was impossible for him to break. Then, one year, he asked his wife what she wanted for their anniversary. She asked him if he could give up smoking for her. He got a prescription from the doctor and gradually quit. I think it has now been 20-25 years since he smoked. He also started a fund where he put all the money in the account that he *would* have used on smoking. He eventually bought a new car (an Acura) with that money, and we are all very proud of him. MaryL congratulations to your brother, I know how hard it is. -- Adrian |
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Christina Websell wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: Pretty certain they'd see that it's not enough to buy actual liquor (even if you buy cartons at a time). Not true, unfortunately! Last time I checked, a carton of cigarettes was considerably more expensive than a fifth of moderately priced liquor. (I can remember when cigarettes were about $3.00 a carton - now they're about twice than much a PACK - one more reason for trying to kick the addiction!) I heard that getting off nicotine is harder than getting off heroin. So I understand - I'm SO glad that, because of my aspirations to be an opera singer, I never got into the habit! I've had friends with alcohol addiction, so I understand better than most that it isn't simply a matter of "just don't drink" or "just don't smoke". And it doesn't matter how long you've been "dry" - One friend had been a faithful AA attendee, liquor free for eight years. Then his life took a few depressing turns, and he was back on the booze again. |
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Christina Websell wrote: I also taught them how to use a knife and fork in the correct way. Teachers tell us that 5 year olds are coming to school with no idea of using knife/fork and not a clue about polite behaviour around the table. Well, I taught my boys when they were 3-4 about table manners and how to handle a knife and fork. Well, there's "correct" and "correct", depending upon the country - Americans and Europeans use them differently. (Which is why you can nearly always recognize Americans in a restaurant.) |
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On Aug 24, 2:37*am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: And it doesn't matter how long you've been "dry" - A friend of mine hasn't touched alcohol in 9 years but whenever offered a drink she still says "I won't have one I'm an alcoholic" People say to her "You can't be you don't drink" but she reckons if she thought "I'm not an alcoholic I haven't had a drink in 9 years" then she might think "Well if I'm not an alcoholic I could just have a small glass on wine on a special occasion" and she says she might well be okay with that but she's not prepared to take the chance she might not be and could end up with her alcohol problem again Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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