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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" wrote
in message news:Te94d.330461$Oi.170821@fed1read04... I really didn't want to brutalize someone who hadn't seen the movie but I'm glad to have someone to talk to about it. You bring up the excellent point about necessity. My problem was that I saw the clip without the sound the first time. When I couldn't believe what I saw I watched it again with the sound track. It was a very different thing. I don't agree that it is the same as regular food because the animal was a pet and if ever there was an example of a Judas goat then that was it. I wonder if that saying somehow unconsciously prompted the scene. There are so many examples of farmers who can't do what she did because the animals have become pets. I don't know if you would feel the same way if you watched without the sound track. It looked like one of the cruelest things I've ever seen and it seemed to be intended to be that way. I doubt very many people are that cruel. Yes I'm a vegan except for egg whites and milk. I used to eat chicken until we got some for eggs and they became pets. After you've had a chicken jump into your lap and take bread from your lips and ride on your arm like one of those peregrine falcons, ... it makes me laugh thinking about it... then it's hard to eat them. The same thing happened to me when I was exposed to cows at a horse ranch. Personally, I don't think I could do that, either (although my parents killed and cooked a "pet" chicken when I was a kid - I refused supper that night). But I have to ask, which would you prefer to be, an animal that was loved, petted, cared for and then killed to provide sustenance, or an animal that is kept in a cage its entire life, force fed to be fattened up, and then herded into pens smelling of blood and fear to be slaughtered wholesale? I'd pick the first. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
... "formerly known as 'cat arranger'" wrote: : Yes, I think I know to what you're referring For the sake of those of us who don't, how about a clue? I saw the movie. The only scene I can remember is possibly the one where they killed the rooster. Dick Evans The scene where the old lady kills her "pet" goat to feed herself and the injured soldier. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
... "formerly known as 'cat arranger'" wrote: : Yes, I think I know to what you're referring For the sake of those of us who don't, how about a clue? I saw the movie. The only scene I can remember is possibly the one where they killed the rooster. Dick Evans The scene where the old lady kills her "pet" goat to feed herself and the injured soldier. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"CatNipped" wrote:
Personally, I don't think I could do that, either (although my parents killed and cooked a "pet" chicken when I was a kid - I refused supper that night). Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too. I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served roast beef. Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as food. Dick |
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"CatNipped" wrote:
Personally, I don't think I could do that, either (although my parents killed and cooked a "pet" chicken when I was a kid - I refused supper that night). Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too. I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served roast beef. Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as food. Dick |
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
news Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too. I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served roast beef. Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as food. Dick I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their grocery bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat hunt, you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??). We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the luxury of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that, for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither cattle, chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are being threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
news Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too. I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served roast beef. Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as food. Dick I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their grocery bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat hunt, you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??). We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the luxury of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that, for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither cattle, chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are being threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... : "Richard Evans" wrote in message : news : : Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too. : : I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa : 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life : we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher : chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and : when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I : suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd : speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served : roast beef. : : Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid : hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in : feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as : food. : : Dick : : I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the : country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem : with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer : full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their grocery : bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with : hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat hunt, : you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the : extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary : ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??). : : We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural : progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not : always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to : continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was : evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the luxury : of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include : vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that, : for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who : kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither cattle, : chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are being : threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are. : : Hugs, : : CatNipped : : I don't have a problem with people or animals killing for food. I do have a problem with someone petting a goat and having the goat look up lovingly and trustingly and then have someone pull out a knife and cut its throat. It's the things kids nightmares are made of and a depiction of humans as unusually cruel. And the depiction of her caring about the goat enough for it to be that attached and trusting in her makes it all the more disgusting and perverted. I really didn't want to describe this but I am giving in to the impulse to my own need for catharsis... and in the giving other people who read this an unnecessarily unpleasant mental picture. If anyone who hasn't seen the movie and feels like seeing what I mean and wondering if children who don't understand the pat rationalization being spoken while this barbarous act is being done, rent the movie and watch the 5th chapter with no sound. It's about 1 minute into that chapter of the DVD. |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... : "Richard Evans" wrote in message : news : : Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too. : : I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa : 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life : we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher : chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and : when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I : suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd : speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served : roast beef. : : Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid : hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in : feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as : food. : : Dick : : I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the : country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem : with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer : full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their grocery : bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with : hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat hunt, : you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the : extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary : ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??). : : We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural : progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not : always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to : continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was : evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the luxury : of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include : vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that, : for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who : kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither cattle, : chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are being : threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are. : : Hugs, : : CatNipped : : I don't have a problem with people or animals killing for food. I do have a problem with someone petting a goat and having the goat look up lovingly and trustingly and then have someone pull out a knife and cut its throat. It's the things kids nightmares are made of and a depiction of humans as unusually cruel. And the depiction of her caring about the goat enough for it to be that attached and trusting in her makes it all the more disgusting and perverted. I really didn't want to describe this but I am giving in to the impulse to my own need for catharsis... and in the giving other people who read this an unnecessarily unpleasant mental picture. If anyone who hasn't seen the movie and feels like seeing what I mean and wondering if children who don't understand the pat rationalization being spoken while this barbarous act is being done, rent the movie and watch the 5th chapter with no sound. It's about 1 minute into that chapter of the DVD. |
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In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.rescue", "CatNipped"
artfully composed this message within on 22 Sep 2004: (although if you watch a cat hunt, you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??). That is an interesting thought, and I wonder if it has been studied? Now I also wonder if it aids in digestive enzyme building? If this is a possibility, I wonder if this is why so many cats now have digestive and other autoimmune deficiencies, maybe due to lack of digestive enzymes? -- Cheryl |
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