Do animals go to heaven?

On 2005-10-18, meee penned:
Don't worry Monique, i read it...and funnily enough, markwise and
his cronies refused to answer one of my posts...i don't know if
you've read this bit, but there's a bit in the bible where God makes
a donkey talk...and it seems to me that it was the donkey talking,
god just gave it 'human speech' for a while....funnily enough they
ignored that one....maybe that part of the bible isn't in their
religion or something....selective hearing i think....just don't
take people like that seriously, feel sorry for them instead for not
being able to think for themselves.

I did read your post =)

Honestly, I know next to nothing about the bible, and I'm not
Christian, so whether or not a Christian believes that animals have
souls doesn't matter to me. But if someone's going to spout off like
those guys did, they should at least try to keep their arguments
internally consistent!

The truly frightening part is that they surely believe that their
arguments are completely logical and valid.

--
monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message
...
On 2005-10-18, meee penned:
Don't worry Monique, i read it...and funnily enough, markwise and
his cronies refused to answer one of my posts...i don't know if
you've read this bit, but there's a bit in the bible where God makes
a donkey talk...and it seems to me that it was the donkey talking,
god just gave it 'human speech' for a while....funnily enough they
ignored that one....maybe that part of the bible isn't in their
religion or something....selective hearing i think....just don't
take people like that seriously, feel sorry for them instead for not
being able to think for themselves.

I did read your post =)

Honestly, I know next to nothing about the bible, and I'm not
Christian, so whether or not a Christian believes that animals have
souls doesn't matter to me. But if someone's going to spout off like
those guys did, they should at least try to keep their arguments
internally consistent!

The truly frightening part is that they surely believe that their
arguments are completely logical and valid.

--
monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

The sad thing is, and the thing that speaks most about their lack of
self-awareness is that in all their blather they missed the whole point of
jesus christ...which had nothing to do with stuffing quoted out of context
bible verses down the throats of people who really couldn't give a stuff and
wish they'd crawl back under the rock they came from. I do read the bible,
and thankfully this group is more gracious than those from my side of the
fence, or I'd have been kicked off for just belonging to the same (or
distantly related) belief system as they do. They've missed the point
somehow...

Have you noticed that the smuggest, most vehement and sometimes most
hostile posts in this thread haven't come from the newsgroup with the
words "pets" and "cats" in its title, but crossposted from ones with the
words "religion", Christian" and "Bible"? IMO there's something sad about
that.

Linda, I didn't mean you'd crossposted from one of those
"religion/Christian/Bible groups. I know you're an ailurophile who frequents
this one, rec.pets.cats.anecdotes (as well as other cat NGs), and probably
posted to here. I dropped my little comment into the mix right after yours,
but I didn't mean to imply it referred directly to you. It didn't, and sorry
if I gave that impression.

I kinda thought that. thanx

LT

I am a Sikh. One of our scriptures says that the richest of men consumed
with his wealth is "not equal even to an ant, who in its mind never forgets
God." My husband and I, and many other Sikhs we know, take this verse pretty
literally, believing that the animals know deep in their guts that they have
a creator and do not forget Him/Her; and that, having traded instinct for
reason, humans are more capable of forgetting God than the animals. Since we
consider the rememberance of God and devotion to His/Her name to be the
highest of worship, we think sometimes that the animals have one over us,
and that we humans must work harder to realize the Divine in our lives.

But this is our belief; it doesn't represent all of Sikhism any more than it
represents all who post on this board. But I will say this. I wish I knew of
this board when I had to put my beloved Fritzie to sleep two years ago. The
rational side of me knew it was the best for him, that it would have been
wrong to make him suffer out of human selfishness. It didn't keep me from
having months worth of nightmares, reliving the sadness that wanted to choke
me. I had to start a Christmas job the very day and couldn't take off. It
was at a Bath & Body Works where you have to be happy, or look it, OR ELSE.
Try faking Christmas cheer when you've just had to euthanize a cherished
family member. It's not easy, believe me. As I've said on a previous thread,
if my words of comfort and belief in an afterlife for our beloved creatures
can spare someone a day of heartache or a mind-wrenching nightmare, then
I've done my Scout's Duty.

Besides, I cannot imagine heaven without the animals. How many children have
passed on without knowing the love and play of a pet, the feeling of being
on a horse, seeing the majesty of elephants and tigers! It would not be
heaven, without all the beauty God created, including the animals.

Blessed be,
Baha

James wrote in message
...
Charlie Wilkes

Do animals go to heaven?

Over here in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes, we like to console each other
with comforting stories about a Rainbow Bridge that our pets cross
over after death, where they wait for us to die so they can join us in
heaven.

Is it true, or are we just kidding ourselves?

Charlie

Charlie,

Looks like it is kidding time. The Bible shows us that unreasoning
animals were made to die, not live forever. 2 Pe 2:12,

"But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are
like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and
destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish." (NIV)

Also notice Ps 49:20,

"A man who has riches without understanding is like the beasts that
perish." (NIV)

But did you know that the Bible tells us that not all good people will
go to Heaven? For example, how could Jesus' statement be true here, if
ALL the good ones went to Heaven? Mt 5:5,

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." (NIV)

More on what the Bible has to say on this subject if you are
interested.


Sincerely, James

"Singh" wrote in message
...
I am a Sikh. One of our scriptures says that the richest of men consumed
with his wealth is "not equal even to an ant, who in its mind never
forgets
God." My husband and I, and many other Sikhs we know, take this verse
pretty
literally, believing that the animals know deep in their guts that they
have
a creator and do not forget Him/Her; and that, having traded instinct for
reason, humans are more capable of forgetting God than the animals. Since
we
consider the rememberance of God and devotion to His/Her name to be the
highest of worship, we think sometimes that the animals have one over us,
and that we humans must work harder to realize the Divine in our lives.

But this is our belief; it doesn't represent all of Sikhism any more than
it
represents all who post on this board. But I will say this. I wish I knew
of
this board when I had to put my beloved Fritzie to sleep two years ago.
The
rational side of me knew it was the best for him, that it would have been
wrong to make him suffer out of human selfishness. It didn't keep me from
having months worth of nightmares, reliving the sadness that wanted to
choke
me. I had to start a Christmas job the very day and couldn't take off. It
was at a Bath & Body Works where you have to be happy, or look it, OR
ELSE.
Try faking Christmas cheer when you've just had to euthanize a cherished
family member. It's not easy, believe me. As I've said on a previous
thread,
if my words of comfort and belief in an afterlife for our beloved
creatures
can spare someone a day of heartache or a mind-wrenching nightmare, then
I've done my Scout's Duty.

Besides, I cannot imagine heaven without the animals. How many children
have
passed on without knowing the love and play of a pet, the feeling of being
on a horse, seeing the majesty of elephants and tigers! It would not be
heaven, without all the beauty God created, including the animals.

Blessed be,
Baha

Baha, of all the posts to this thread, yours moved me the most with its
honesty, profundity, sincerity and - yes, - poetry. It offers a fresh
perspective on our discussion, and I'm keeping it in a special file where I
can read it again in future. Thank you so much for writing it.

beautifully said, and lovely to read singh

--
There are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by
cats.

Anonymous

One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway


"Singh" wrote in message
...
I am a Sikh. One of our scriptures says that the richest of men consumed
with his wealth is "not equal even to an ant, who in its mind never
forgets
God." My husband and I, and many other Sikhs we know, take this verse
pretty
literally, believing that the animals know deep in their guts that they
have
a creator and do not forget Him/Her; and that, having traded instinct for
reason, humans are more capable of forgetting God than the animals. Since
we
consider the rememberance of God and devotion to His/Her name to be the
highest of worship, we think sometimes that the animals have one over us,
and that we humans must work harder to realize the Divine in our lives.

But this is our belief; it doesn't represent all of Sikhism any more than
it
represents all who post on this board. But I will say this. I wish I knew
of
this board when I had to put my beloved Fritzie to sleep two years ago.
The
rational side of me knew it was the best for him, that it would have been
wrong to make him suffer out of human selfishness. It didn't keep me from
having months worth of nightmares, reliving the sadness that wanted to
choke
me. I had to start a Christmas job the very day and couldn't take off. It
was at a Bath & Body Works where you have to be happy, or look it, OR
ELSE.
Try faking Christmas cheer when you've just had to euthanize a cherished
family member. It's not easy, believe me. As I've said on a previous
thread,
if my words of comfort and belief in an afterlife for our beloved
creatures
can spare someone a day of heartache or a mind-wrenching nightmare, then
I've done my Scout's Duty.

Besides, I cannot imagine heaven without the animals. How many children
have
passed on without knowing the love and play of a pet, the feeling of being
on a horse, seeing the majesty of elephants and tigers! It would not be
heaven, without all the beauty God created, including the animals.

Blessed be,
Baha

James wrote in message
...
Charlie Wilkes

Do animals go to heaven?

Over here in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes, we like to console each other
with comforting stories about a Rainbow Bridge that our pets cross
over after death, where they wait for us to die so they can join us in
heaven.

Is it true, or are we just kidding ourselves?

Charlie

Charlie,

Looks like it is kidding time. The Bible shows us that unreasoning
animals were made to die, not live forever. 2 Pe 2:12,

"But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are
like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and
destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish." (NIV)

Also notice Ps 49:20,

"A man who has riches without understanding is like the beasts that
perish." (NIV)

But did you know that the Bible tells us that not all good people will
go to Heaven? For example, how could Jesus' statement be true here, if
ALL the good ones went to Heaven? Mt 5:5,

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." (NIV)

More on what the Bible has to say on this subject if you are
interested.


Sincerely, James