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Dont I know it, I'm a pommy myself, Jean.P.
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote in message ... I LOVE big cats specially the tigers leopards and lions they are so beautiful!!!!! Jean.P. As do I, but the living wild in the UK is *not* the place any large cat should be. Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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Dont I know it, I'm a pommy myself, Jean.P.
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote in message ... I LOVE big cats specially the tigers leopards and lions they are so beautiful!!!!! Jean.P. As do I, but the living wild in the UK is *not* the place any large cat should be. Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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"Napoleon" wrote in message
om... "Yowie" wrote in message . au... "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" wrote in message ... I hope they'll be protected as well as studied. Joy Joy, big cats aren't native to the UK. If there are any in the wild (and I think there most probably are a few), I have grave misgivings about them remaining here. The theory is that they are cats that have escaped or have been deliberately released from private collections when legislation was brought in controlling who could have them and how/where they were kept. Reasons for my misgivings - example, we now have wild mink in the UK. They are escapees (unintentional & deliberate escape - "liberation") and descendents of escapees from mink farms. The mink in question is the American Mink - it's not native to the UK and it has no natural predators over here. It also breeds extremely well over here. It is destroying our native and now very rare, extremely endangered water voles. There's nothing better a mink likes than a tasty water vole for lunch. The mink is killing off our own wild life rather efficiently. For example - the stream at the end of my garden is a tributary of the River Wensum. It had been mink free until quite recently. I used to see a lot of water voles about. I haven't seen *any* this year. There's no sign of them. Some time ago a downstream neighbour told me she'd seen a mink on the banks of the stream where it goes by her place. Mink have been reported elsewhere on the river system too. Also, the number of fish in the stream has noticeably declined when the water is *good* and it's not fished to any extent. The other problem is that in relative terms, the UK is a small landmass, highly urbanised in many areas so there simply isn't the space for big cats to be about in any quantity without possible serious consequences for people. In this case, it isn't the people encroaching on to land previously the natural habitat of the big cats, it's more the other way around. I have very grave doubts about big cats remaining wild in the UK. This problem of "imported" species out-doing the native species is a major problem here in Australia, particularly when it comes to feral cats, dogs and pigs, although there are many other introduced species that are wreaking havoc in their own environmental niches (can toads, european carp, indian mynah bird etc etc). Because Australia was so isolated for so long (in terms of evolution) our native fauna simply doesn't have the natural methods of dealing with the effecient hunters that come from other parts of the world. I saw a program on TV a while back dealing at least in part with the feral cat problem in Australia. It featured this somewhat repulsive man who hunted cats for a bounty-his car had a sticker that said AFAIR something like "The only good cat is a dead cat." He seemed to really enjoy shooting the cats. Apparently also some aboriginial people in Australia hunt and eat feral cats. There was a clip on the program showing some aborigineal women chasing after a feral cat which they caught and later cooked. Yeah, he's pretty "famous" around here. Trouble is, he doesn't present his arguments against the feral cat in a logical and non-confrontational way and so tends to divide viewers unto ardent cat haters and equally fanatical cat lovers with no room for a sane and rational discourse to occur in between. There *is* a feral cat problem here in Oz. Is the best solution shooting them? Well, eradicating the truly *feral* variety (as opposed the the *stray* population) is certainly desirable and shooting, as much as I hate to admit it, is cheap and realtively humane. However, *education* of potential cat (and other potentially feral) owners and strict enforcement of neutering laws would also do a great deal to help the situation. The indoor housecat is not causing *any* harm to the native fauna, so this crackpot's solution of "the only good cat is a dead cat" is not reasonable at all, and he certainly doesn't do his cause any good amongst resposnible cat owners by spouting such hate-filled drivel. Unfortunatley such a controversial person does make great TV and gets far more air time than he deserves, IMHO. Yowie |
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"Napoleon" wrote in message
om... "Yowie" wrote in message . au... "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" wrote in message ... I hope they'll be protected as well as studied. Joy Joy, big cats aren't native to the UK. If there are any in the wild (and I think there most probably are a few), I have grave misgivings about them remaining here. The theory is that they are cats that have escaped or have been deliberately released from private collections when legislation was brought in controlling who could have them and how/where they were kept. Reasons for my misgivings - example, we now have wild mink in the UK. They are escapees (unintentional & deliberate escape - "liberation") and descendents of escapees from mink farms. The mink in question is the American Mink - it's not native to the UK and it has no natural predators over here. It also breeds extremely well over here. It is destroying our native and now very rare, extremely endangered water voles. There's nothing better a mink likes than a tasty water vole for lunch. The mink is killing off our own wild life rather efficiently. For example - the stream at the end of my garden is a tributary of the River Wensum. It had been mink free until quite recently. I used to see a lot of water voles about. I haven't seen *any* this year. There's no sign of them. Some time ago a downstream neighbour told me she'd seen a mink on the banks of the stream where it goes by her place. Mink have been reported elsewhere on the river system too. Also, the number of fish in the stream has noticeably declined when the water is *good* and it's not fished to any extent. The other problem is that in relative terms, the UK is a small landmass, highly urbanised in many areas so there simply isn't the space for big cats to be about in any quantity without possible serious consequences for people. In this case, it isn't the people encroaching on to land previously the natural habitat of the big cats, it's more the other way around. I have very grave doubts about big cats remaining wild in the UK. This problem of "imported" species out-doing the native species is a major problem here in Australia, particularly when it comes to feral cats, dogs and pigs, although there are many other introduced species that are wreaking havoc in their own environmental niches (can toads, european carp, indian mynah bird etc etc). Because Australia was so isolated for so long (in terms of evolution) our native fauna simply doesn't have the natural methods of dealing with the effecient hunters that come from other parts of the world. I saw a program on TV a while back dealing at least in part with the feral cat problem in Australia. It featured this somewhat repulsive man who hunted cats for a bounty-his car had a sticker that said AFAIR something like "The only good cat is a dead cat." He seemed to really enjoy shooting the cats. Apparently also some aboriginial people in Australia hunt and eat feral cats. There was a clip on the program showing some aborigineal women chasing after a feral cat which they caught and later cooked. Yeah, he's pretty "famous" around here. Trouble is, he doesn't present his arguments against the feral cat in a logical and non-confrontational way and so tends to divide viewers unto ardent cat haters and equally fanatical cat lovers with no room for a sane and rational discourse to occur in between. There *is* a feral cat problem here in Oz. Is the best solution shooting them? Well, eradicating the truly *feral* variety (as opposed the the *stray* population) is certainly desirable and shooting, as much as I hate to admit it, is cheap and realtively humane. However, *education* of potential cat (and other potentially feral) owners and strict enforcement of neutering laws would also do a great deal to help the situation. The indoor housecat is not causing *any* harm to the native fauna, so this crackpot's solution of "the only good cat is a dead cat" is not reasonable at all, and he certainly doesn't do his cause any good amongst resposnible cat owners by spouting such hate-filled drivel. Unfortunatley such a controversial person does make great TV and gets far more air time than he deserves, IMHO. Yowie |
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
Just got back from the Galapagos a few weeks ago :-))) AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! You have just caused me to turn a vivid shade of bright green! :-))) Sorry. If it's any consolation, I had been wanting to go since I was 12, so an ambition fulfilled by the trip - and a fantastic honeymoon into the bargain! Deb. -- http://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield |
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
Just got back from the Galapagos a few weeks ago :-))) AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! You have just caused me to turn a vivid shade of bright green! :-))) Sorry. If it's any consolation, I had been wanting to go since I was 12, so an ambition fulfilled by the trip - and a fantastic honeymoon into the bargain! Deb. -- http://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield |
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:-))) Sorry. If it's any consolation, I had been wanting to go since I
was 12, so an ambition fulfilled by the trip - and a fantastic honeymoon into the bargain! No... No.... *nothing can console me.... I'm *green* I tell you, *green*.... AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!! Cheers, helen s ;-) --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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:-))) Sorry. If it's any consolation, I had been wanting to go since I
was 12, so an ambition fulfilled by the trip - and a fantastic honeymoon into the bargain! No... No.... *nothing can console me.... I'm *green* I tell you, *green*.... AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!! Cheers, helen s ;-) --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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On 23 Apr 2004 08:15:41 GMT, omcom
(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) yodeled: :-))) Sorry. If it's any consolation, I had been wanting to go since I was 12, so an ambition fulfilled by the trip - and a fantastic honeymoon into the bargain! No... No.... *nothing can console me.... I'm *green* I tell you, *green*.... AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!! Cheers, helen s ;-) When I was little, I loved to watch National Geographic programs, an I always thought I would be one of those naturalists who went to the Galapagos, or the Amazon, or wherever, to study the wildlife. I also had a children's book about Darwin (!) and I was absolutely fascinated by the tortoises, iguanas, frigate birds, etc. Wow, a real dream trip. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) |
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On 23 Apr 2004 08:15:41 GMT, omcom
(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) yodeled: :-))) Sorry. If it's any consolation, I had been wanting to go since I was 12, so an ambition fulfilled by the trip - and a fantastic honeymoon into the bargain! No... No.... *nothing can console me.... I'm *green* I tell you, *green*.... AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!! Cheers, helen s ;-) When I was little, I loved to watch National Geographic programs, an I always thought I would be one of those naturalists who went to the Galapagos, or the Amazon, or wherever, to study the wildlife. I also had a children's book about Darwin (!) and I was absolutely fascinated by the tortoises, iguanas, frigate birds, etc. Wow, a real dream trip. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) |
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