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On Nov 21, 3:40*am, Cheryl wrote:


If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their
choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or
should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless,
of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds).


Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and
getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost
the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were
watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind
and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital
and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron
district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a
moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here
for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be
doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him
off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically
grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on
the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in
August....2007

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

"hopitus" wrote in message
...
On Nov 21, 10:44 am, Lesley wrote:
On Nov 21, 3:40 am, Cheryl wrote:



If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their
choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or
should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless,
of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds).

Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and
getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost
the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were
watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind
and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital
and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron
district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a
moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here
for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be
doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him
off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically
grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on
the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in
August....2007

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
warcry
here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.
This thread now looks like "analyzing" to me...and you know how I feel
about assuming what is in other people's heads. Or trying to.
I know some cyber friends and a lot more RL ones who proudly have
their membership in Mensa closely meshed with their self-esteem, and
who don't have the common sense of my Snaggly, who knows to go hide
when he has knocked my front drapes off their support by snatching at
them as his 28# feline self slides down the sloped rear of my big old
analog tv set. Snaggly, though a cat, *reeks* with common sense.
Sorry, I can't go along with the notion you can *force* anyone to quit
smoking.
It's an addiction, just like other addictions and only the afflicted
can stop it.
An attempt to end the analyzing of i.q. influence - A.Hitler's
reported as 140-141.
I have refused, just from orneriness, at the urging of those Mensa
friends, to find
out what mine is or was.


I had a possible employee interview once that was a mensa member. He
proudly said he was a mensa member on his appilication. I thought to my
self what a joke when I looked at his math part of the test for a cashier.
I asked him why he failed the math part.
Simple question I hand you $10.37 The bill is $8.78 What is the
change? answer $1.59
I hand you 3 more dollars and ask for you to break it down into quarters
before you give me my change. How many quarters is that in total?. He could
not answer that. The answer is 18
Oh let me add this was a timed test of 5 minutes to answer 25 questions.
Most were like How many dimes in a $5.00 roll of dimes. It was designed to
be quick so I knew who had basic math skill.

"Cheryl" wrote in message
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Matthew wrote:

We just lost a family member a couple weeks ago due to stupid
stubborn mountain idiocy. He had the Flu ( not swine) so bad that it
went to his heart. He refused to go to the doctor or hospital even though
he was laid up in the bed barely able to breathe. The true stupid thing;
which I think their side of family is looking at charges to be pressed or
should, is that his wife is a long time Nurse and did not call 911 or the
doctor because he said not to that he was fine. The worse thing is that
their son is a doctor and was away. He found out that his father was
sick than died. He was irate that no one called him or a doctor. He said
dam his father's pride he would have been in the ER. If he had to drag
him there.

My friend May he rest in peace pasted away a couple months ago due
to lung cancer. The doctor told him to stop smoking that if he did not
stop the chemo he needed would not work. He refused still went through
the treatments. He died a few weeks later. May he rest in peace but I
have no sympathy for or his wife; she knew but ignored the situation.

Mountain pride as it is called I would love to take a baseball bat
to them and people like that. Ignorant pride needs to be beaten out of
people IMO plain and simple.

It's not limited to mountains, and people do have the right to refuse to
see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, even if they die as a
result.

Mind you, most won't. When the mother of a friend of mine was in her last
illness, she was reluctant to consult a doctor, and of course, since she
was conscious and in her right mind, the ambulance attendance wouldn't
take her unless she consented. Her daughter finally said "Do you want to
put me through the same thing X (a close friend who refused to get medical
treatment) put you through?" and she went, although the emergency surgery
that followed revealed terminal cancer, and she never woke up after the
operation.

If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their
choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or should
take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless, of course,
they are underaged or not in their right minds).

It's a very serious (and usually pointless) thing to do to *force* someone
to quit smoking or see a doctor and follow directions. Suggest, urge,
persuade them to, yes. But ultimately the decision is theirs.

--
Cheryl

It is impossible to force someone to quit smoking unless you lock them up.
I tried to get my husband to quit smoking from the time we were married.
When his mother quit smoking a few years later, I pushed him again to quit,
so he did. Or so I thought. He'd come home from work smelling of smoke and
say it was because others smoked around him. It wasn't until he was
diagnosed with the lung cancer that eventually killed him that he admitted
he had been smoking at work. He did quit then, but it was too late.

Joy

"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
wrote:

You're kidding. That doesn't sound right to me (about the IQ). I'm not
going to swear by it because I'm not sure, but that seems pretty low
to me. Mine is quite a bit above that and I am hardly a genius.

I don't actually know what the different range cut-offs are, though -
what is considered developmentally disabled, what's average, and what's
genius? And then, of course, the IQ only tells a little bit about a
person's intelligence - there's usually a lot more to it than just how
well a person performs on logic, computation and language tests. I'm
not saying it's completely invalid - it's the truth, but not the whole
truth.

There's also the "EQ" - the emotional intelligence. It certainly plays
an important role in a person's overall intelligence, as much if not more
than the IQ. Mine is rather low, I have to admit. :-O (I don't have a
number, but from how it's described, I can tell that I wouldn't do very
well.) And whatever skills I do have in that area, I've gotten *during
my adulthood* by consciously working at it. Lord knows I was let loose
on the world as a young adult with hardly any skills to navigate the
social universe!


IQ tests are designed to produce a normal distribution, which means IQ
tests are usually designed to have an average score of 100, with 68% of
the population scoring between 85-115. They were originally invented to
identify developmentally delayed children, and you can find lists of
exactly which scores were considered to represent which level of
disability (or ability, on the other end). I expect nowadays children who
don't seem to be doing well are tested in a variety of ways to try to
figure out just what their problems are.

As you point out, IQ tests don't cover all of what 'intelligence' is now
understood to include. It can predict school achievement - but so can so
many other characteristics that people often combine them in studies
instead of using just one. And even when much more weight was put on IQ
testing than is now, there were 'underachievers' who did worse in school
than predicted by their IQ score, and 'overachievers' who did better in
school than predicted by their IQ score. So IQ is definitely not the be
all and end all of intelligence testing - but people still seem fascinated
by it.

--
Cheryl

Actually, it can't even predict school achievement. If a student is bored
with the work, s/he may not do it, or may do very little of it, while
pursuing other interests. When I entered what was then called a junior
college (now they're called community colleges), my counselor was surprised
that I wasn't a straight 'A' student. I probably had a 'B' average, but
there was one class in which I spent the entire period reading library
books. There were a lot of noisy, disruptive kids in that class, and the
teacher gave me an 'A', not because I earned it, but because I didn't give
her a bad time.

IQ tests also don't test one of the things that is most important for
leading a full, happy and productive life (IMNSHO) - people skills. I met
many people in Mensa who have very poor people skills.

Very few highly intelligent people because wealthy or successful in the
business world, mainly because they can't be bothered to concentrate on one
thing. Instead, they pursue a variety of interests and seldom excel at any
of them.

Joy

"hopitus" wrote in message
...
On Nov 21, 10:44 am, Lesley wrote:
On Nov 21, 3:40 am, Cheryl wrote:



If someone can't or won't follow their doctor's directions, that's their
choice, and really, if they're determined, not even a spouse can or
should take responsibility for making them change their minds (unless,
of course, they are underaged or not in their right minds).

Tell me about it- months of telling Dave he ought to see a doctor and
getting his 2 favourite words "Later" and "Tomorrow" I finally lost
the plot when he told me to get dressed when I was because police were
watching the place at that point I decided he wasn't in his right mind
and called an ambulance ..4 1/2 months later he got out of hospital
and nearly 3 years later we've just learnt that thanks to a moron
district nurse he has another ankle ulcer (I'm not calling the guy a
moron because I'm annoyed at him- turns out he's been sent round here
for the last 3 months and he doesn't know what he was supposed to be
doing- he came round Wednesday with his supervisor and she told him
off for being rough- came round Friday with Vicky and she physically
grabbed him to stop him ripping off some gauze that had got stuck on
the broken skin) so we're pretty much back to where we were in
August....2007

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
warcry
here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.
This thread now looks like "analyzing" to me...and you know how I feel
about assuming what is in other people's heads. Or trying to.
I know some cyber friends and a lot more RL ones who proudly have
their membership in Mensa closely meshed with their self-esteem, and
who don't have the common sense of my Snaggly, who knows to go hide
when he has knocked my front drapes off their support by snatching at
them as his 28# feline self slides down the sloped rear of my big old
analog tv set. Snaggly, though a cat, *reeks* with common sense.
Sorry, I can't go along with the notion you can *force* anyone to quit
smoking.
It's an addiction, just like other addictions and only the afflicted
can stop it.
An attempt to end the analyzing of i.q. influence - A.Hitler's
reported as 140-141.
I have refused, just from orneriness, at the urging of those Mensa
friends, to find
out what mine is or was.

***

You're right about the common sense. That's another quality I forgot to
mention in my previous post. Unfortunately, many Mensans lack it.

All IQ tests really measure is one's ability to take that type of test.

Joy

hopitus wrote:

Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
warcry
here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.

No offense intended here, but Medicare *is* socialized medicine.
Everyone pays into the system, everyone (over a certain age at this
point) benefits from the system. The VA and Medicaid are also forms of
socialized medicine. Any system has its flaws. The flaw of the US system
is that, were they here, Lesley and Dave would be bankrupt and unable to
afford follow up care at all.

Currently I'm a bit upset that I'm having health issues to the extent
that I cannot pull my own weight in my own household, let alone the
outside world, and we can't afford to figure out why it's happening,
much less get it treated. I also have a pituitary tumor that we can't
afford the medicine to treat. But we make too much for Medicaid (which
covers very little and very grudgingly) and too little to afford private
health insurance so we're stuck, and I may well become a statistic - one
of the people who dies in the US because of a lack of insurance.

Maeve ^..^
--
http://moonglowminnow.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/minnow/

hopitus wrote:

Pardon the Merkin here but if that's "socialized medicine" as the
warcry here is termed, I'll stick with Medicare, thank you.

Newsflash, Hops - **Medicare is a form of socialism**. The population
is taxed to create a fund so that everyone who needs it can receive a
benefit from the government. How is that not a socialist concept?

I saw a photo of a demonstration from one of those idiotic "teabagger"
parties (non-USA'ans: you don't want to know!) where someone carried a
sign that actually said: "Keep your socialist paws off my Medicare".
WOW. Some people are totally unclear on the concept.

No offense Hops, you know I like you. But SOCIAL PROGRAMS, such as
Medicare and Social Security, not to mention public schools, public
libraries, police forces and fire departments, are all very much
examples of socialism.

Joyce

(Medica gov't subsidizing of health care for the elderly; Social
Security: a fund gathered from income taxes to provide monthly living
expenses for elderly retired people. The "keep your socialist paws
off Medicare" comment was a response to one of the ideas being bounced
around for a universal health care program: expand the already existing
Medicare program so that everyone, not just the elderly, can have it.)

Joyce

--
Taxes: Money you complain about giving the government, to pay for
services whose absence you would complain about.
-- John O'Hanlon
(Yes, I chose this sig on purpose - JW)

hopitus wrote:

ROFL. Snaggly in spite of his commen sense and non-Mensa status, dos
not have basic math skills.

I'm sure he makes up for all of it with cuteness! Do you have a photo
of him online?

Joyce

--
If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we
wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people
calling other people to stammer that they loved them.
-- Christopher Morley

Joy wrote:

Actually, it can't even predict school achievement. If a student is bored
with the work, s/he may not do it, or may do very little of it, while
pursuing other interests.

When I was growing up, my problem in school wasn't so much boredom as
emotional problems. I was too anxious and distracted to pay attention
in school, so I was a pretty mediocre student - lots of Bs and Cs. Back
then, nobody looked at kids like me and recognized that there might be
emotional issues needing to be addressed - instead, I was just seen as
a slacker who daydreamed all the time. On the other hand, I might've
dodged a bullet. If I were growing up now, someone would probably
investigate my family life, and next thing you know, I'm in foster care.
Bad as my family life was, foster care would have been much worse!!

When I entered what was then called a junior
college (now they're called community colleges), my counselor was surprised
that I wasn't a straight 'A' student. I probably had a 'B' average, but
there was one class in which I spent the entire period reading library
books. There were a lot of noisy, disruptive kids in that class, and the
teacher gave me an 'A', not because I earned it, but because I didn't give
her a bad time.

Wow. Now that's a seriously incompetent teacher...

IQ tests also don't test one of the things that is most important for
leading a full, happy and productive life (IMNSHO) - people skills. I met
many people in Mensa who have very poor people skills.

Exactly. That's what I was talking about when I mentioned "EQ" (so-called
emotional intelligence).

Very few highly intelligent people because wealthy or successful in the
business world, mainly because they can't be bothered to concentrate on one
thing. Instead, they pursue a variety of interests and seldom excel at any
of them.

That's *exactly* what I'm like - I can do a decent job of many different
things, but I don't excel at very much. I've never thought this was a sign
of intelligence, though - more like a lack of discipline, poor frustration
tolerance, etc. I used to feel bad about this, like I hadn't accomplished
anything impressive. But the truth is, I really enjoy all my interests.
So what's the harm?

Joyce

--
If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we
wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people
calling other people to stammer that they loved them.
-- Christopher Morley

Joy wrote:

You're right about the common sense. That's another quality I forgot to
mention in my previous post. Unfortunately, many Mensans lack it.

There are many different kinds of intelligence, and I don't think one
kind is necessarily more valuable than another. Sure, some people are
brilliant at abstract ideas but wouldn't have a clue how to solve an
everyday problem, but we need good abstract thinkers, too. Einstein
was thought to be mentally disabled in school, and as an adult he worked
in a patent office before going on to revolutionize the study of physics.
Takes all types, you know?

All IQ tests really measure is one's ability to take that type of test.

I wouldn't go that far. The tests are constructed to measure certain
abilities, which I think are valuable. They're just very limited, and
they don't measure a whole lot of important abilities that contribute
to a very diverse and complex picture of what human intelligence is.
Each piece is valuable, though.

Joyce

--
If we discovered we only had five minutes left to say all that we
wanted to say, every telephone booth would be occupied by people
calling other people to stammer that they loved them.
-- Christopher Morley