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How much to feed my cats ?
I know somebody asked this question just recently but from the perspective
of trying to help the cats lose weight. I would like to see my cats maintain their current weights. How much canned food should I feed a cat to maintain a weight of 11 or 12 pounds (assuming the cat is eating only canned food and no dry at all) ? The labels on the cans sound really high (they suggest feeding about an ounce of canned food per day per pound of cat weight, which would suggest that a 12-pound cat should eat about two 5.5-ounce cans of canned cat food per day). My cats have been eating about a quarter of that, and I can't see that they've lost any weight, but then again, they are still eating some dry food, so that may be the reason. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ---Cindy S. |
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How much to feed my cats ?
On Tue 17 Apr 2007 10:47:09p, cindys wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav : I know somebody asked this question just recently but from the perspective of trying to help the cats lose weight. I would like to see my cats maintain their current weights. How much canned food should I feed a cat to maintain a weight of 11 or 12 pounds (assuming the cat is eating only canned food and no dry at all) ? The labels on the cans sound really high (they suggest feeding about an ounce of canned food per day per pound of cat weight, which would suggest that a 12-pound cat should eat about two 5.5-ounce cans of canned cat food per day). My cats have been eating about a quarter of that, and I can't see that they've lost any weight, but then again, they are still eating some dry food, so that may be the reason. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ---Cindy S. Cindy, if you can get your cats to eat only canned without grazing dry food, even if just a little, your job is easier. You could try the scientific method; determine the kcal needs based on gender, activity level, health, neuter status (neutered, I know!). Or, you could see how much they will eat during a set period of time for 2 feedings a day. Pick up leftovers, throw them out. A little bit of waste at first until you see how much it is without weight loss or gain. Sounds cryptic? LOL I know! But I don't think that what works for one cat will work for another. Out of my current 4 cats, 3 are a healthy weight, and two eat mostly canned food. Sometimes they are hungrier than other times, and I'll even split another 3oz can if they gobble up what I give them in the first 30 minutes. As long as the appetite fluctuations aren't frequent, which might indicate a health problem. My two canned food predominant cats split 1 5.5oz can in the morning, and eat at least 1 3oz can each for dinner. How much dry do they eat on average? Shamrock eats maybe a mouthful a day, and the amount of dry Scarlett eats depends on what the canned offerings were. -- Cheryl |
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How much to feed my cats ?
"cindys" wrote in message ... I know somebody asked this question just recently but from the perspective of trying to help the cats lose weight. I would like to see my cats maintain their current weights. How much canned food should I feed a cat to maintain a weight of 11 or 12 pounds (assuming the cat is eating only canned food and no dry at all) ? The labels on the cans sound really high (they suggest feeding about an ounce of canned food per day per pound of cat weight, which would suggest that a 12-pound cat should eat about two 5.5-ounce cans of canned cat food per day). My cats have been eating about a quarter of that, and I can't see that they've lost any weight, but then again, they are still eating some dry food, so that may be the reason. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I changed to Wellness canned and Felidae canned when I adopted Duffy. Prior to that time, I had been letting Holly free feed on dry food (Iams hairball control). After I changed to Wellness and Felidae, Holly's weight dropped back to her optimal level. This came as a surprise to me because I didn't make the change for weight-reduction reasons. I changed because I had been reading about improved health with premium canned food, and Duffy was extremely thin at the time of adoption. (I used Innova for awhile for Duffy because he needed to gain weight, then changed both cats to Wellness and Felidae.) This diet worked very well, but I later changed to Wellness canned and Innova EVO canned. Holly and Duffy are both thriving on the diet, and their weight has remained completely stable at what I consider to be their ideal weights. Each of my cats get 1/3 can twice per day (5.5 oz. cans). I open one can for one meal and use 2/3 of it, divided between the two cats, then repeat the process for the next meal. The remainder is refrigerated, then two cans are combined for the next meal. Thus, 2 cans = 3 meals. Of course, the portion size would need to be calculated for each individual cat. (One of my cats weighs 8 lbs. and the other weighs 9 lbs.) Some time ago, I read a recommendation for 30 calories per pound, but my experience has been portions of that size would be a great way to cause a cat to *gain* weight (not lose)! I don't even use as much as the amount that the Wellness can lists. Wellness says 1 can per day is typical for an 8 to 10 pound adult cat. Of course, my two would be at the "lower" end of the Wellness "typical" size scale. Other friends I have talked to have noticed the same thing. Again, I think the "recommended" caloric intake is likely to lead to fat cats (in much the same way as I learned in the past that I could personally gain a lot of weight on an "average" intake of calories). So, how to calculate? One 5.5 oz. can of Wellness chicken formula has 181 calories. This means that my cats are getting between 13 and 14 calories per pound per day, and their weight has remained constant on this diet. Other varieties of Wellness will vary slightly, but this gives a reasonable approximation. A lot seems to depend on the quality of the food as well as the amount of calories being fed. My cats are active and very healthy. They have beautiful glossy coats, and I noticed that Holly's dandruff completely disappeared after I adopted this diet - another unexpected bonus. Holly is solid black, so those little bits of dandruff showed up on her coat while they would probably not be noticed on another color. Her vet always considered her to be in excellent shape, but now her coat is so shiny it seems to glow. Both cats always seem satisfied. I never see signs of hunger (except that they have a healthy appetite at mealtime). Interestingly, this diet doesn't cost as much extra as I expected because my furbabies don't eat as much as when I used dry food (and free feeding). This was still another pleasant surprise. Photos of Duffy and Holly: 'o' Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e |
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On Apr 17, 10:47 pm, "cindys" wrote:
I know somebody asked this question just recently but from the perspective of trying to help the cats lose weight. I would like to see my cats maintain their current weights. How much canned food should I feed a cat to maintain a weight of 11 or 12 pounds (assuming the cat is eating only canned food and no dry at all) ? The labels on the cans sound really high (they suggest feeding about an ounce of canned food per day per pound of cat weight, which would suggest that a 12-pound cat should eat about two 5.5-ounce cans of canned cat food per day). My cats have been eating about a quarter of that, and I can't see that they've lost any weight, but then again, they are still eating some dry food, so that may be the reason. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ---Cindy S. mines get a can each.. whenever they ask for it... but at least 2wice a day... and.. they can never eat a whole can at once.. BUT.. they love to keep going back till it's gone.. then they bug me again later towards bedtime.. they love laying in the bed with me.. watch tv.. then ease out and nibble on their fav canned food.. then get back in the bed. They share the same dish... I keep it under the wood stove... they can actually stand up under there without their tails hitting.. but even if their tail did hit the stove.. i have fire-brick liner on sides and bottom.. so you can put your hand on it.. but it's pretty warm.. keeps their food nice and fragrant till it's eaten. That's all we do is snack up around here. I'm back and forth to my cupboard like they are to their bowl... and with this.. they are nice and full but not fat. This has been going on for at least a year. I let them decide how much to eat. |
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cindys wrote:
I know somebody asked this question just recently but from the perspective of trying to help the cats lose weight. I would like to see my cats maintain their current weights. How much canned food should I feed a cat to maintain a weight of 11 or 12 pounds (assuming the cat is eating only canned food and no dry at all) ? The labels on the cans sound really high (they suggest feeding about an ounce of canned food per day per pound of cat weight, which would suggest that a 12-pound cat should eat about two 5.5-ounce cans of canned cat food per day). My cats have been eating about a quarter of that, and I can't see that they've lost any weight, but then again, they are still eating some dry food, so that may be the reason. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I give my two 6 year old guys (12 lbs. and 9 lbs.) 1/2 a can of Friskies prime filets each in the morning and leave a bowl of chow out all day. Filtered water fountain nearby. They are both perfect weight, healthy, and happy. I would recommend you continue to feed both wet and dry food. |
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How much to feed my cats ?
On 18 Apr, 04:21, body sweat wrote:
On Apr 17, 10:47 pm, "cindys" wrote: I know somebody asked this question just recently but from the perspective of trying to help the cats lose weight. I would like to see my cats maintain their current weights. How much canned food should I feed a cat to maintain a weight of 11 or 12 pounds (assuming the cat is eating only canned food and no dry at all) ? The labels on the cans sound really high (they suggest feeding about an ounce of canned food per day per pound of cat weight, which would suggest that a 12-pound cat should eat about two 5.5-ounce cans of canned cat food per day). My cats have been eating about a quarter of that, and I can't see that they've lost any weight, but then again, they are still eating some dry food, so that may be the reason. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ---Cindy S. mines get a can each.. whenever they ask for it... but at least 2wice a day... and.. they can never eat a whole can at once.. BUT.. they love to keep going back till it's gone.. then they bug me again later towards bedtime.. they love laying in the bed with me.. watch tv.. then ease out and nibble on their fav canned food.. then get back in the bed. They share the same dish... I keep it under the wood stove... they can actually stand up under there without their tails hitting.. but even if their tail did hit the stove.. i have fire-brick liner on sides and bottom.. so you can put your hand on it.. but it's pretty warm.. keeps their food nice and fragrant till it's eaten. That's all we do is snack up around here. I'm back and forth to my cupboard like they are to their bowl... and with this.. they are nice and full but not fat. This has been going on for at least a year. I let them decide how much to eat. All this reading about what to feed your cats has got me feeling terribly guilty. The reason for this is because I put down Pets@ home complete dry food and they all graze as & when they want to. I also feed them 2 cans of wet meat a day x 2 daily too, but by the sound of things I am going about this all the wrong way..??? I am reading that most of you are feeding your cats wet food because it is better than dry food for them. What is the reasoning behind this though? There was me thinking that I had found the perfect food for them that they all eat & like too, only to find that it is not the best thing for them... I give them two wet meals a day, of whiskers supermeat, so they get around aquarter of a can each twice a day. Do I need to give them more wet food than this, and also, how much ? Thanks, S;o) |
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Cat food - Very Long ( How much to feed my cats ?)
"sheelagh" wrote in message ups.com... snip All this reading about what to feed your cats has got me feeling terribly guilty. So, join the club. I've been feeling guilty for weeks. The reason for this is because I put down Pets@ home complete dry food and they all graze as & when they want to. I also feed them 2 cans of wet meat a day x 2 daily too, but by the sound of things I am going about this all the wrong way..??? I am reading that most of you are feeding your cats wet food because it is better than dry food for them. What is the reasoning behind this though? The main argument is that the wet food is similar to the cat's natural diet. Dry foods are primarily carbohydrates which the cats don't need and which makes them fat and causes them to get things like diabetes. Since Alex had previously been diagnosed with diabetes (he was cured with Lantus insulin) and now has been diagnosed with CRF (six months after Molly died from the same condition), and since Alex and Bullwinkle (my other senior kitty), while definitely not obese, have both tended to be on the chubby side (although they have both lost weight recently), I have been trying my best to figure out what is the best thing to feed my cats. Up until a year ago, the only thing I ever fed my cats was Iams Weight Control (dry). When Alex was diagnosed with diabetes, the veterinarian put him on Purina OM (overweight management, which is a dry prescription food) and she wanted him to eat OM canned as well, citing that canned cat food would provide a lot of moisture, which would be good for his kidneys and other internal organs. He refused the OM canned but was willing to eat Friskies or the store brand canned cat food. The vet said that she wasn't exactly a fan of supermarket cat food, but she wasn't going to make an issue of it as long as he was losing weight and not showing any sign of a diabetes recurrence (I monitor Alex's blood sugar). So far, so good. Bullwinkle was eating the same as Alex, and both Alex and Bullwinkle were losing weight nicely. Amanda and Tux were eating the OM dry only. And I was continuing to feed Daisy (who was a little on the thin side) the Iams Weight Control dry only. Then, Alex was diagnosed with beginning CRF, and I started to read rec.pets.cats.health+behavior (not sure what was the order, but I think I was reading the newsgroup before the diagnosis). At the suggestion of some other readers, I read the feline CRF website (also recommended by my veterinarian) and the feline diabetes website. One of the things I learned was that cats do not naturally drink as much water as their bodies need, so (even healthy) cats who are fed a diet of exclusively dry cat food are actually slightly dehydrated all of the time. There were some theories that over the course of years, this constant dehydration messes up their kidneys and may lead to or hasten the development of CRF. You can imagine the guilt I was feeling. Then, with all the discussions of the animal byproducts and wheat gluten and other carbohydrates in the canned cat food, I decided that I wanted a better quality food than the Friskies/supermarket brand, so I went for the Fancy Feast (trying to pick the flavors that had primarily muscle protein and not byproducts listed amongst the first three or four ingredients). In case anyone is wondering, as far as I can tell, the only flavor that has 3 of the first 4 ingredients muscle protein is the Tender Beef Feast flavor. Alex liked the Fancy Feast, as did. Bullwinkle (who will eat any kind of food I put down in front of him). Alex is now losing weight from the CRF, so I'm no longer so focused on having him lose weight. I would be happy if he (and Bullwinkle) just maintained their current weights at this point. Tux was eating the FF somewhat. Daisy developed a taste for it, and by that point, I had also stopped filling her bowel with the Iams Weight Loss food because the other cats were eating out of her dish, so I put the whole family on OM dry food and Fancy Feast. Amanda was refusing the Fancy Feast and eating only the dry, however. Then, I discovered Pet Promise, which is made in a human grade food facility and contains no byproducts, antibiotics, factory-farmed animals, or artificial dyes or colors, and it costs the same as Fancy Feast, so I decided to try that. But Pet Promise also contains rice and potatoes, which again are carbohydrates and not needed for the cats and certainly not a good idea for Alex. Also, the cats still preferred the FF, paws down. Then, I did some more research at the CRF website and decided that Wellness would be the best food for my cats. I have ordered a case of Wellness, which is also manufactured in a human grade food facility, but unlike Pet Promise is low carbohydrate. It hasn't arrived yet, so I don't know what's going to happen next, which cat will eat it, which cat won't. Ideally, I would like all of the cats to eat only canned food, but I doubt this will happen. Amanda, in particular, continues to reject the canned food almost completely, and Tux has been less than enthusiastic. The other three cats probably could be just fine on an all canned food diet at this point. I am going to be starting Alex on the subcu fluids next week. He has been urinating profusely (due to CRF), but overall, he seems to be perky and feeling much better since I initiated Pepcid, and I'm supplementing him with Omega-3 and potassium supplements. Someone wrote (either on this group or on the feline diabetes discussion group) that the most ridiculous thing in the world is giving a cat subcu fluids for hydration while simultaneously feeding him dry cat food. Last night, I read an except from Ann Martin's book _Foods Pets Die For_(which was recommended by Buglady. This book was written in 1996 - years before the Menufoods thing). What I read made my hair stand on end. Here's an except: http://www.homevet.com/petcare/foodbook.html You would not believe the toxins and diseased animal parts and nonfood items and other crap that finds itself into most pet foods. That's why I now know for sure I only want to feed my cats food that's been canned in a human grade food plant. The dry Purina OM - I can't speak for what's in that. I don't think I want to know... But that's why I would really like to try to get all my cats to eat Wellness canned food exclusively. I don't know if I will be able to make that happen or not. Anyway, that's what my thinking has been for the past few weeks. Best regards, ---Cindy S. |
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On Apr 18, 1:37 pm, "cindys" wrote:
to make that happen or not. Anyway, that's what my thinking has been for the past few weeks. Best regards, ---Cindy S. In your case, It appears to be a nutritional solution, not necessarily what could be a rule. Far as purina etc... isn't the proof in their little hides? My cats are energetic, shiny, vibrant, frisky, etc... from wet food. |
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"body sweat" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 18, 1:37 pm, "cindys" wrote: to make that happen or not. Anyway, that's what my thinking has been for the past few weeks. Best regards, ---Cindy S. In your case, It appears to be a nutritional solution, not necessarily what could be a rule. I was offering my opinion for why I think canned cat food is better than dry. I don't know what you mean that it was a *nutritional solution* in my case but not a *rule*? Far as purina etc... isn't the proof in their little hides? My cats are energetic, shiny, vibrant, frisky, etc... from wet food. It sounds like you're disagreeing with some part of my post, but I'm not sure what part since I agree that canned food is better for the cats than the dry. I don't have anything at all against the Purina company. It's just that the Purina OM is dry cat food, and I would like to see my cats eat only canned. Best regards, ---Cindy S. |
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On Apr 18, 2:35 pm, "cindys" wrote:
It sounds like you're disagreeing with some part of my post, but I'm not sure what part since I agree that canned food is better for the cats than the dry. I don't have anything at all against the Purina company. It's just that the Purina OM is dry cat food, and I would like to see my cats eat only canned. Best regards, ---Cindy S. I apologize, I didn't mean it to sound that way, not at all. About hydration and dry cat food.. just my thoughts on this... it requires very little water to process the food.. I would never see dry food as a body water thief. Most here whole heartedly agree on canned wet food, some here prepare fresh meats and veggies for their cats. Personally, I am happy to see any cat eating anything, you know.. getting some love and stuff. |
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