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In article , Chaney
wrote: Didn't see the start of this thread...but...you find it in every ng...top posting was the norm 10+ years ago...some ng's frown on it...some ng's love it...I still do it coz I was doing it 10+ years ago...I'm not a moron...I'm not inconsiderate...a plonker maybe...BUT...you know what the post is about...and now you don't have to trawl through tons of sh*t to read my reply... I was posting in 1988 and definitely didn't see _either_ top- or bottom-posting as the norm. What I saw amongst the clueful was judicious editing and a habit of starting a reply on the first screenful of quoted text. For long quoted posts, this usually means "middle-posting." For this post here, where I only quoted a paragraph, posting after the quote makes sense. Top-posting is sometimes OK, but is usually inferior to at least providing _some_ context. Mostly I wish people would learn to use their editos instead of quoting a long article and adding some short comment at the top (or the bottom). --Tim May |
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In article , Ted Davis
wrote: Bottom quoting, to call it what it really is, is a Microsoft invention - pushed on users *because it is the opposite of common practice and common sense*. Nonsense. Both top- and bottom-posting are artifacts of not bothering to edit quoted material. Both were being used by the lazy long before Microsoft Explorer or Outlook or whatever it is you think is a MS plot to encourage some particular style. --Tim May |
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In article , Ted Davis
wrote: Bottom quoting, to call it what it really is, is a Microsoft invention - pushed on users *because it is the opposite of common practice and common sense*. Nonsense. Both top- and bottom-posting are artifacts of not bothering to edit quoted material. Both were being used by the lazy long before Microsoft Explorer or Outlook or whatever it is you think is a MS plot to encourage some particular style. --Tim May |
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"Jacqueline" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:44:15 -0000, "AK" wrote: I tentatively add to this thread, just my opinion, hopefully I won't get flamed! There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. (snip) Cats don't have to be killed just by other animals. I live in an area of the U.S. where there is a HUGE foreigner population. If a cat crosses into a neighbor's yard, quite often it is killed and put into the neighbor's dinner. NOT KIDDING! Cats are missing all of the time. It's a local "joke" to say, oh, your neighbor ate it, but it's really not a joke. My last neighborhood was mostly caucasion so I didn't have a problem with letting my cats out. I currently live in a different area that is locally known for eating dogs and cats (I watched a dog get beaten to its death this last Christmas day for the family's Christmas dinner - again, I am NOT kidding). Thank god I live in an apartment setting where I can't let my cats out. kilikini |
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"Jacqueline" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:44:15 -0000, "AK" wrote: I tentatively add to this thread, just my opinion, hopefully I won't get flamed! There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. (snip) Cats don't have to be killed just by other animals. I live in an area of the U.S. where there is a HUGE foreigner population. If a cat crosses into a neighbor's yard, quite often it is killed and put into the neighbor's dinner. NOT KIDDING! Cats are missing all of the time. It's a local "joke" to say, oh, your neighbor ate it, but it's really not a joke. My last neighborhood was mostly caucasion so I didn't have a problem with letting my cats out. I currently live in a different area that is locally known for eating dogs and cats (I watched a dog get beaten to its death this last Christmas day for the family's Christmas dinner - again, I am NOT kidding). Thank god I live in an apartment setting where I can't let my cats out. kilikini |
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Quoth AK:
There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. In the UK it is the norm to allow cats out. My cat True enough; it's fairly normal to let dogs out too. However, cats do have one unnatural predator in the UK - humans; some humans simply don't know how to treat animals. If I know that the guy 5 doors down likes to take pot shots at animals, or I find one of my cats coming home with a lead pellet in his or her flank, I'm not going to be entirely encouraged to let my cats out in future.(However, I'll also be looking to move to a better area...) There is also the issue of feline overcrowding; simply put, there are so many pet cats in Britain that they're having serious knock-on effects on the native wildlife (small birds, rodents, etc), and they're also in far heavier competition for territory than they used to be. Catfights can get nasty - it's not unheard of for a cat to lose an eye in a fight - and you can't always hear your cats... plus if you do the responsible thing and have your cats neutered, they're at an automatic disadvantage to any intact cats that come along. Even in the UK, indoor or outdoor is not a cut-and-dried issue. has a cat flap and he comes and goes as he pleases, we are nowhere near road traffic, in fact we have a large lake and about 25 swans that he has made friends with. Ooh, I'm all envious! So is Firstborn... -- Gwenhwyfaer (sand and green really don't mix on a cat) some girls wander by themselves |
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Quoth AK:
There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. In the UK it is the norm to allow cats out. My cat True enough; it's fairly normal to let dogs out too. However, cats do have one unnatural predator in the UK - humans; some humans simply don't know how to treat animals. If I know that the guy 5 doors down likes to take pot shots at animals, or I find one of my cats coming home with a lead pellet in his or her flank, I'm not going to be entirely encouraged to let my cats out in future.(However, I'll also be looking to move to a better area...) There is also the issue of feline overcrowding; simply put, there are so many pet cats in Britain that they're having serious knock-on effects on the native wildlife (small birds, rodents, etc), and they're also in far heavier competition for territory than they used to be. Catfights can get nasty - it's not unheard of for a cat to lose an eye in a fight - and you can't always hear your cats... plus if you do the responsible thing and have your cats neutered, they're at an automatic disadvantage to any intact cats that come along. Even in the UK, indoor or outdoor is not a cut-and-dried issue. has a cat flap and he comes and goes as he pleases, we are nowhere near road traffic, in fact we have a large lake and about 25 swans that he has made friends with. Ooh, I'm all envious! So is Firstborn... -- Gwenhwyfaer (sand and green really don't mix on a cat) some girls wander by themselves |
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Please, if you're responding to a message generally, note that all you really need to quote of that message is enough context to let the rest of us know which message you're responding to! After that, whether you're responding at the top or the bottom is insignificant - it just Yes |
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Please, if you're responding to a message generally, note that all you really need to quote of that message is enough context to let the rest of us know which message you're responding to! After that, whether you're responding at the top or the bottom is insignificant - it just Yes |
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Tim has it exactly right. Though some writers are so good and other
readers so patient that the question does not arise, most of us appreciate the few seconds of editing that retain the gist of a discussion without filling the screen with excess characters. George Mostly I wish people would learn to use their editos instead of quoting a long article and adding some short comment at the top (or the bottom). --Tim May |
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