Liz's Food recommendations

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Gaubster2 wrote:
Again, Cheryl, you are ONLY looking at
the ingredient list. Why??

Hello??? Because, Einstein, her cat has IBD. Everyone on the group
knows this and the only excuse you have for not knowing this is
your pure, unfettered inability to comprehend the simplest things.
If the cat can't tolerate the ingredients it can't eat the food.
Everything else is secondary.

Can't you just picture ol' Gauby sitting there banging away at the
keyboard, blood vessels on his noggin ready to explode? lol

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GAUBSTER2 composed with style:
If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say,
chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn
meal, I
might try it again.

LOL! Hill's products are the only foods that ALWAYS keep the
phosphorus down. Again, Cheryl, you are ONLY looking at the
ingredient list. Why?? Surely by now, you know the games that are
played w/ ingredient lists. But I guess emotionalism is all that
matters for you and not efficacy or nutrition. You're more worried
about what words on a piece of paper say than the nutrient levels
going into your cats (managing risk factors).

Neura Wellness 'Lite' Formula
% protein 33.15
% phosphorus 0.751
% sodium 0.22
% fat 12.05

In ,
GAUBSTER2 composed with style:
If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say,
chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn
meal, I
might try it again.

LOL! Hill's products are the only foods that ALWAYS keep the
phosphorus down. Again, Cheryl, you are ONLY looking at the
ingredient list. Why?? Surely by now, you know the games that are
played w/ ingredient lists. But I guess emotionalism is all that
matters for you and not efficacy or nutrition. You're more worried
about what words on a piece of paper say than the nutrient levels
going into your cats (managing risk factors).

Neura Wellness 'Lite' Formula
% protein 33.15
% phosphorus 0.751
% sodium 0.22
% fat 12.05

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
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YES, THEY ARE! A food that is "all life stages" is a growth food...READ
KITTEN FOOD! We're talking nutrients here, please try to keep up.

Typing in caps doesn't add weight to your argument. 'All life stages'
foods are not 'kitten food', they are 'all life stages' food. If they
were 'kitten food', it would say 'kitten food' on the can. Note that
the AAFCO guidelines allow for a food that is 'appropriate' for all
life stages. Some questions for you to ponder:

- Would all 'maintenance'-labelled foods fail the 'growth' part of the
feed tests?
- Are all 'growth' and 'all life stages' foods significantly different
on key nutritional factors?
- Will feeding a food labelled 'all life stages' necessarily lead to
nutritional problems in adult cats?
- Once weaning is over, how are 'growth' and 'all life stages' foods
differentiated out there in nature?

Mull 'em over, and maybe get some WD40 on that caps key.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
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YES, THEY ARE! A food that is "all life stages" is a growth food...READ
KITTEN FOOD! We're talking nutrients here, please try to keep up.

Typing in caps doesn't add weight to your argument. 'All life stages'
foods are not 'kitten food', they are 'all life stages' food. If they
were 'kitten food', it would say 'kitten food' on the can. Note that
the AAFCO guidelines allow for a food that is 'appropriate' for all
life stages. Some questions for you to ponder:

- Would all 'maintenance'-labelled foods fail the 'growth' part of the
feed tests?
- Are all 'growth' and 'all life stages' foods significantly different
on key nutritional factors?
- Will feeding a food labelled 'all life stages' necessarily lead to
nutritional problems in adult cats?
- Once weaning is over, how are 'growth' and 'all life stages' foods
differentiated out there in nature?

Mull 'em over, and maybe get some WD40 on that caps key.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
How many people would have the time and
money to prepare a balanced raw diet?

I don't know of anybody who eats raw meat.

Er - how exactly does the above sentence fit with the question?

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Why would vets be responsible for people's actions? Oh that's right--in your
wacko socialist world, people don't have to take responsibility for their
actions--they can sue someone else!

You have a very odd view of socialism. Some irony in your opinion
here, too, considering the most 'sue happy' nation is the USA, which
ain't exactly socialism central!

Steve.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
How many people would have the time and
money to prepare a balanced raw diet?

I don't know of anybody who eats raw meat.

Er - how exactly does the above sentence fit with the question?

(...)

Why would vets be responsible for people's actions? Oh that's right--in your
wacko socialist world, people don't have to take responsibility for their
actions--they can sue someone else!

You have a very odd view of socialism. Some irony in your opinion
here, too, considering the most 'sue happy' nation is the USA, which
ain't exactly socialism central!

Steve.

We're NOT talking nutrients here, please DO try to keep up.

You claim a product that passes the AAFCO feed trial for growth has a
different nutrient profile than a product that passes the AAFCO feed
trial for maintenance.

AS STEVE HAS POSTED, there is no consideration of the nutrient profile
in a feed trial. The ONLY consideration is the biochemical and
physiologic effect on the test animals.

Wellness and Felidae FAIL to cause ANEMIA and STUNTING in kittens (among
other blood morphology and chemistry requirements). That is the ONLY
extrapolation to be made from the label claim.

-Alison in OH

I don't have a copy handy right now, but I've seen something in the past called
KNF's (Key Nutritional Factors). Those are minimums and maximums established
for the different lifestages of cats. The nutrient levels of those foods are
excessive for the adult and senior KNF's established. They are not excessive
for the growth lifestage. So, yes, those "all life stage" foods that are
"formulated" w/ higher nutrient levels to sustain kittens ARE excessive for
adult and senior cats. Unless you don't believe in that sort of thing, which
is your loss.

We're NOT talking nutrients here, please DO try to keep up.

You claim a product that passes the AAFCO feed trial for growth has a
different nutrient profile than a product that passes the AAFCO feed
trial for maintenance.

AS STEVE HAS POSTED, there is no consideration of the nutrient profile
in a feed trial. The ONLY consideration is the biochemical and
physiologic effect on the test animals.

Wellness and Felidae FAIL to cause ANEMIA and STUNTING in kittens (among
other blood morphology and chemistry requirements). That is the ONLY
extrapolation to be made from the label claim.

-Alison in OH

I don't have a copy handy right now, but I've seen something in the past called
KNF's (Key Nutritional Factors). Those are minimums and maximums established
for the different lifestages of cats. The nutrient levels of those foods are
excessive for the adult and senior KNF's established. They are not excessive
for the growth lifestage. So, yes, those "all life stage" foods that are
"formulated" w/ higher nutrient levels to sustain kittens ARE excessive for
adult and senior cats. Unless you don't believe in that sort of thing, which
is your loss.

Cheryl! Once again, you made me spit onto my monitor from laughing! Stop
that!! LOL!

Cheryl wrote:

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Gaubster2 wrote:

Again, Cheryl, you are ONLY looking at
the ingredient list. Why??

Hello??? Because, Einstein, her cat has IBD. Everyone on the group
knows this and the only excuse you have for not knowing this is
your pure, unfettered inability to comprehend the simplest things.
If the cat can't tolerate the ingredients it can't eat the food.
Everything else is secondary.


Can't you just picture ol' Gauby sitting there banging away at the
keyboard, blood vessels on his noggin ready to explode? lol