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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 15, 1:51*am, chatnoir wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds It sounds like many of the speakers in this video are really advocating killing cats, though they aren't coming right out and saying it. There is very little compassion for cats expressed here. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 15, 3:43*pm, calvin wrote:
On Aug 15, 9:27*am, jmc wrote: Sadly, the only answer currently is humane euthanasia for unadoptable individuals. *It is a hard decision, but shelters are so very overloaded, I think it's the only humane thing we can do until the human population can be better educated to spay, neuter, and not breed cats indiscriminately. I know this is an unpopular thought, and I hate the necessity, but there truly isn't anything else that can be done currently. There are things that a rich person like, say, Steven Spielberg could do. *Donate a large tract of land into which neutered and spayed cats would be set free and given a chance to live, rather than be euthanized. *Make sure that the land has water running through it, and provide additional food and water at stations scattered throughout the area of, say, a hundred square miles. It could be surrounded by a cat proof fence, and maintained by only a very few people. *The grant would also provide for collection of neutered/spayed cats from shelters and transportation to the the site. This would cost very little for something like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to do. *I haven't covered all of the details, but you can see the general idea. *It would only require a moderate grant from some philanthropic organization to do it. One thing that has to be done if such a venture is undertaken is to make it impossible or *very* difficult for humans to dump their unwanted felines there. Otherwise, you're going to have a population explosion there. FirstHit |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"jmc" wrote in message ... Suddenly, without warning, cybercat exclaimed (8/15/2009 1:59 AM): "chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds So what is the answer? TNR Sadly, the only answer currently is humane euthanasia for unadoptable individuals. I'm surprised at you. I thought you had more sense than that. Ferals in well managed colonies live long and happy & healthy lives. I have 300 cats in 16 colonies to prove it. And that's just my colonies. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 15, 9:49*pm, "Phil P." wrote:
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. *The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. *Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." *IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. *What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html http://tinyurl.com/mmw7zu headline: Cats and wildlife - how you can protect both LW0025 Stephen Platt, August 1999 To view the Adobe Acrobat file, you will need the Adobe Acrobat reader. PDF 154 kb Where is your cat at the moment? Could it be attacking wildlife or crossing a road? Is it safe from dogs? Is it identified so it can be returned to you if it gets lost? The information in this Note will help you to better protect your cat and wildlife. Background Cats are present throughout Victoria, as domestic pets, free-living strays, or as truly feral animals. Estimates in all these categories suggest that there are well over one million cats in the State. Cats are obligate carnivores, that is, they must feed on animal protein. Each cat requires a minimum of 100-150g of protein each day, more if a female is nursing a litter. This means that an equivalent of at least seven small mammals, such as native Bush Rats, must be eaten each week by each cat. Even cats that are well fed, apparently contented pets, will instinctively hunt and kill living creatures. An average of 32 wild animals may be killed by each pet cat every year. Each feral cat can kill many more. The potential impact on wildlife is enormous. What impact do cats have on wildlife? Cats are known to kill and eat more than 100 native Australian species of birds, 50 mammals, 50 reptiles, three frogs and numerous invertebrate animals. As more knowledge is obtained more animals continue to be added to the list. Cats are a major threat to wildlife in the bush, where they are common and occur in most habitats, as well as in towns and cities. For example, in 1992, in response to a plague of native rats in south-west Queensland, where the endangered native Bilby survives, feral cat numbers were observed to be at high levels. The Australian Army was called in to assist with control and, to the amazement of wildlife managers, shot 417 cats in four days within 20 km of the Bilby site. Up to six cats were shot out of a single tree in one day! Of interest is that the high cat numbers were on a cattle station on which dingo control was rigourous. Neighbouring stations, with more dingos, had less cats. Cats can survive on water from prey in areas where drinking water is unavailable. In Australia, cats (and dogs) have no natural predators. The hunting methods of cats are different to native predators, such as quolls, and so native wildlife has few inbuilt defences against cats. Cats are most active at night, and especially at dusk and dawn. This coincides with the activity periods of much of our Australian wildlife, placing native animals at risk. Cats kill prey of up to their own body size; most of Australia’s endangered and vulnerable mammals are in this size category. Cats can significantly control bird populations. Studies in South Australia indicate that domestic cats probably kill the 'standing crop' of birds, (i.e. the same number are killed as are produced each year). Cats are significant predators on small mammals. In 15 months one wildlife shelter in Melbourne received 272 native mammals with injuries that resulted from cat attacks; 242 of these were Common Ringtail Possums. Almost all died as a result of the attacks. Cats have also been responsible for the death of at least 25% of all Sugar Gliders registered in the former Wildlife Management Branch (now DSE) collection. Cat’s mouths can carry bacteria to which wildlife has little resistance, and wildlife that has been injured by cats usually dies - if not from injuries, then from infection. Cats are the definitive host of the blood protozoan disease Toxoplasmosis which can affect wildlife, sheep and humans. It can cause unco-ordination, blindness, erratic movement and unnatural daytime activity. Toxoplasmosis is often fatal for infected wildlife. It can have effects on reproduction (the disease can cause abortion in sheep and humans). Endangered Eastern Barred Bandicoots are at threat not only through direct predation by cats but from infection with the disease. It probably predisposes affected bandicoots to predation by cats or dogs and to road trauma. Research into the reintroduction of rare mammals onto mainland Australia has found that, when foxes are controlled, cat numbers increase, continuing the attack on native species. Similarly, because rabbit is a significant part of feral cat diet in many (especially rural) areas, rabbit control without cat control may lead to increased predation on wildlife. Hence, an integrated pest animal control program is essential. Cats also have an indirect impact on plant pollination by reducing numbers of native birds. Although habitat alteration and hunting are also important factors, cats have been responsible for the extinction of over 30 species of birds around the world. Cats have been the cause of decline and extinction of many bird species on a large number of islands including New Zealand, Macquarie Island, Socorro Island (Mexico), Ascension Island, the Kermadec group, Marion Island and many others. There are also records of mammals and reptiles being similarly affected - for example the endemic rodents of the Galapagos are now only found on islands without cats, and in Western Australia at least two species of now-endangered species of marsupial (Banded Hare-wallaby and Golden Bandicoot) have become extinct on the Monte Bello Islands due to cats. Pet cats kill an average of 16 mammals, 8 birds and 8 reptiles every year. 900 000 pet cats by 32 wildlife each per year = 29 million wildlife. Feral cats each need to eat the equivalent of seven native bush rats or ten native birds each week. 200 000 feral cats by 10 wildlife by 52 weeks = 104 million wildlife. Stray cats in cities kill on average 5 wildlife each week. 300 000 cats by 5 wildlife by 52 weeks = 78 million wildlife. GRAND TOTAL = 211 million wildlife killed by cats in Victoria each year ... (cont) excerpt: Cats and wildlife - how you can protect both LW0025 Stephen Platt, August 1999 To view the Adobe Acrobat file, you will need the Adobe Acrobat reader. PDF 154 kb Where is your cat at the moment? Could it be attacking wildlife or crossing a road? Is it safe from dogs? Is it identified so it can be returned to you if it gets lost? The information in this Note will help you to better protect your cat and wildlife. Background Cats are present throughout Victoria, as domestic pets, free-living strays, or as truly feral animals. Estimates in all these categories suggest that there are well over one million cats in the State. Cats are obligate carnivores, that is, they must feed on animal protein. Each cat requires a minimum of 100-150g of protein each day, more if a female is nursing a litter. This means that an equivalent of at least seven small mammals, such as native Bush Rats, must be eaten each week by each cat. Even cats that are well fed, apparently contented pets, will instinctively hunt and kill living creatures. An average of 32 wild animals may be killed by each pet cat every year. Each feral cat can kill many more. The potential impact on wildlife is enormous. What impact do cats have on wildlife? Cats are known to kill and eat more than 100 native Australian species of birds, 50 mammals, 50 reptiles, three frogs and numerous invertebrate animals. As more knowledge is obtained more animals continue to be added to the list. Cats are a major threat to wildlife in the bush, where they are common and occur in most habitats, as well as in towns and cities. For example, in 1992, in response to a plague of native rats in south-west Queensland, where the endangered native Bilby survives, feral cat numbers were observed to be at high levels. The Australian Army was called in to assist with control and, to the amazement of wildlife managers, shot 417 cats in four days within 20 km of the Bilby site. Up to six cats were shot out of a single tree in one day! Of interest is that the high cat numbers were on a cattle station on which dingo control was rigourous. Neighbouring stations, with more dingos, had less cats. Cats can survive on water from prey in areas where drinking water is unavailable. In Australia, cats (and dogs) have no natural predators. The hunting methods of cats are different to native predators, such as quolls, and so native wildlife has few inbuilt defences against cats. Cats are most active at night, and especially at dusk and dawn. This coincides with the activity periods of much of our Australian wildlife, placing native animals at risk. Cats kill prey of up to their own body size; most of Australia’s endangered and vulnerable mammals are in this size category. Cats can significantly control bird populations. Studies in South Australia indicate that domestic cats probably kill the 'standing crop' of birds, (i.e. the same number are killed as are produced each year). Cats are significant predators on small mammals. In 15 months one wildlife shelter in Melbourne received 272 native mammals with injuries that resulted from cat attacks; 242 of these were Common Ringtail Possums. Almost all died as a result of the attacks. Cats have also been responsible for the death of at least 25% of all Sugar Gliders registered in the former Wildlife Management Branch (now DSE) collection. Cat’s mouths can carry bacteria to which wildlife has little resistance, and wildlife that has been injured by cats usually dies - if not from injuries, then from infection. Cats are the definitive host of the blood protozoan disease Toxoplasmosis which can affect wildlife, sheep and humans. It can cause unco-ordination, blindness, erratic movement and unnatural daytime activity. Toxoplasmosis is often fatal for infected wildlife. It can have effects on reproduction (the disease can cause abortion in sheep and humans). Endangered Eastern Barred Bandicoots are at threat not only through direct predation by cats but from infection with the disease. It probably predisposes affected bandicoots to predation by cats or dogs and to road trauma. Research into the reintroduction of rare mammals onto mainland Australia has found that, when foxes are controlled, cat numbers increase, continuing the attack on native species. Similarly, because rabbit is a significant part of feral cat diet in many (especially rural) areas, rabbit control without cat control may lead to increased predation on wildlife. Hence, an integrated pest animal control program is essential. Cats also have an indirect impact on plant pollination by reducing numbers of native birds. Although habitat alteration and hunting are also important factors, cats have been responsible for the extinction of over 30 species of birds around the world. Cats have been the cause of decline and extinction of many bird species on a large number of islands including New Zealand, Macquarie Island, Socorro Island (Mexico), Ascension Island, the Kermadec group, Marion Island and many others. There are also records of mammals and reptiles being similarly affected - for example the endemic rodents of the Galapagos are now only found on islands without cats, and in Western Australia at least two species of now-endangered species of marsupial (Banded Hare-wallaby and Golden Bandicoot) have become extinct on the Monte Bello Islands due to cats. Pet cats kill an average of 16 mammals, 8 birds and 8 reptiles every year. 900 000 pet cats by 32 wildlife each per year = 29 million wildlife. Feral cats each need to eat the equivalent of seven native bush rats or ten native birds each week. 200 000 feral cats by 10 wildlife by 52 weeks = 104 million wildlife. Stray cats in cities kill on average 5 wildlife each week. 300 000 cats by 5 wildlife by 52 weeks = 78 million wildlife. GRAND TOTAL = 211 million wildlife killed by cats in Victoria each year! On farms Toxoplasmosis in sheep, spread by cat faeces, can result in abortions, stillborn lambs, and a reduced lambing percentage. It is the most common cause of infectious abortions in sheep flocks in south-eastern Australia. Cats also carry the stock disease Sarcosporidiosis. Sarcocystis infection can result in carcase condemnation at the abattoir. Cats spread these diseases by contaminating pasture, hay and other animal foods with the parasite via their faeces. They in turn are contaminated by eating rodents, birds and wildlife which contain cysts of the parasite. Farmers who wish to avoid the risk to livestock of toxoplasmosis should not let cats near their pastures. Pet cats - what can I do to protect my cat and wildlife? Clearly, there is a need to act to reduce the impact of cats on wildlife and a range of measures are available that can also lead to safer living conditions for pet cats. It may seem like a major change to the way you have viewed the life and entitlements of your pet cat to consider placing restrictions on it. Improving the care of your cat by limiting its behaviour is comparable to placing restrictions on children for their safety and to teach them to live alongside others. The path to improved cat care can be direct or you may choose to improve control over time (see How else can I help protect wildlife?). You may choose not replace your cat when it dies or to change to a breed more suited to confinement at this time. Why keep your cat confined? By keeping your cat confined to your property at all times, and indoors or in a special enclosure or cattery between dusk and dawn, you will protect your cat and Victoria’s wildlife better. Confining your cat will ensure its safety and well-being. Cats not kept at home can be killed or injured - on roads, in fights, through disease or by acts of cruelty. They can catch feline AIDS from stray or feral cats. Wandering cats may mate and produce unwanted litters and are easily stolen. Why expose your cat to these dangers? Cats are wonderful companions - they are affectionate and intelligent and they enjoy your company. Yet, in Melbourne alone, over 45 000 cats end up in animal shelters each year. Few have identification and only 1% are reclaimed by their owners. Most are humanely euthanased. Is it cruel to confine my cat? No - because suburban and rural environments pose too many risks to allow pet cats complete freedom. The average life span of a cat kept inside is 12 years. That of a cat allowed to roam at will is just three years. If you provide all their needs, desexed cats are happy to live in a suitable enclosed area. Cats don’t have an ‘innate’ need to roam - they need exercise and play as well as around 19 hours of sleep each day. Many cats become better pets and live long, healthy and contented lives inside a house or flat, often for 24 hours a day. How can I confine my cat? Keep it inside (especially at night). Train your cat by feeding it inside before dusk and not letting it out before dawn. Build a cattery There are a great many options. Free-standing or attached enclosures can be constructed. Alternatively, use can be made of existing structures such as the garage or an unused aviary. Commercial cat enclosures are available. The diagram (above) provides some suggestions. If you wish to observe a cattery before building, contact a Land for Wildlife extension officer, local veterinarian or other contacts listed in this Note to see if they can assist you. What are my cat’s needs when enclosed? Overnight - food, water, a litter tray and a warm, dry, draught-free sleeping area. For longer periods - facilities for exercise, climbing, several resting places at various heights, and shelter from wind, sun, rain, cold and hot weather. A scratching and climbing pole is a must - up to 2.5m tall, with 2-3 perches. Provide cat toys (available at good pet shops) and help your cat to exercise daily by encouraging it to play, run and jump. Install window perches for your cat to sunbathe on, or a cat-door for access to an enclosed area outside. The RSPCA and Cat Protection Society can provide more advice on confining your cat. Why should I desex my cat? Desexing your cat is one way you can show you care for it and wildlife. There are numerous benefits including: A desexed pet is easier to own and care for. Desexed male and female animals are less stressed by reproductive or territorial demands and make better pets. Many people say a desexed pet is more pleasurable to own. Cats won’t wander or fight as much and are less noisy and odourous if desexed. A desexed pet does not tend to have the occasional unwelcome habits of entire animals, such as urinating on the carpet in the corner of the loungeroom. Desexing is better for your cat's health. Female cats can suffer physical and nutritional exhaustion if continually breeding. More desexed cats means fewer unwanted litters of kittens. Fewer strays also means more protection for humans, other companion animals, wildlife and the environment. Uncontrolled breeding results in large numbers of unwanted cats joining the stray and feral populations. Most suffer through disease and injury, and many prey on native wildlife to survive. Are some cat breeds better suited to indoors? Yes. The good old moggie, and many other long and short-haired breeds, like the Russian Blue, are happy being indoors at all times. The 'Selectapet' computer program (03-329 5438 or 008-33 1783) will help you choose the right cat, as can your local vet or an animal welfare agency. What can be done about feral cats? Cats that belong to someone are legally recognised as chattels. It is illegal to harm or damage another person's belongings under common law. Therefore, if you wish to take action against cats on your property that are presumed feral, you must advise your neighbours in advance of your intention to control cats so that they can prevent their cat wandering onto your property. A means of permanently identifying cats would obviously help solve this problem of ownership (see page 4). Spotlight shooting or cage trapping, (followed by humane euthanasia by a veterinarian), are the main methods used to control feral cats. Pet food can be used as a bait in the cage trap. Research into baiting techniques is continuing. Cats can legally be controlled in areas designated under the National Parks Act 1975. DPI undertakes target-specific control where there is an urgent problem (e.g. endangered species threatened). Because feral cats are continually being replenished by lost pets we need to effectively separate pet populations from unowned cats (by desexing and identification) to achieve control. How else can I help protect wildlife? Put bells on your cat's collar. One bell is not enough. Put three large bells on the collar, two under the cat's chin and the other opposite. Bells do not stop cats killing wildlife - they only make a difference in one out of three attacks. Keeping your cat inside stops all cat attacks on wildlife. Use a harness to walk your cat outside. Training your cat to walk with a cat harness (dog leashes are not suitable) is fun, easy and rewarding for you and your cat. Provide cat-free environments. If your cat uses the backyard because you have a cat-proof fence around the property, provide cat-free environments by enclosing shrubs and trees with ‘floppy wire’ fences. This provides a safe haven for native wildlife and you’ll find that lots of birds use the area, especially if you include nectar-producing plants and water. Choose to not replace your cat when it dies. This is a cheap option but has no effect in the short-term unless other control measures are adopted. Spread the message about better care for cats and protection for wildlife. Only increasing community awareness through education will change attitudes toward management of cats. You can play an important role by spreading the message and discussing the issues. Obtain free pamphlets or copies of this Note from major DSE/DPI offices.... |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"chatnoir" wrote **** off, asshole. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 15, 9:49*pm, "Phil P." wrote:
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. *The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. *Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." *IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. *What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html There are other studies from sources non-biased such as the Spray Pet Advocay, that indicates bird predation by cats is serious!: http://www.geocities.com/the_srco/Article.html DOMESTIC CAT (Felis catus ) PREDATION OF BIRDS IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT Carol A. Fiore and Karen Brown Sullivan 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ABSTRACT To quantify the effects of urban domestic cat predation on birds in Wichita, Kansas, a city of approximately 300,000 residents, we collected birds killed by study cats, analyzed fecal material, and tracked cats using radio collars to estimate mean numbers of birds killed per cat. A random survey and information from local veterinarians were used to calculate pet cat density. The results indicate that the average urban cat in Wichita kills 4.2 birds per year. Additionally, we found that the majority of cats (83%) kill birds, and the greatest risk to all birds occurred during the months of May and June (43%). House Wrens (Troglodytes aedon ) appear to be at increased risk (9%) when compared with other avian species in the Wichita area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Given the current climate of increasing concern over declining songbird populations (Franzreb and Phillips 1995), the need for better documentation of the impact of domestic cats on birds is warranted. Much of the information on the hunting abilities of domestic cats (Felis catus), an introduced predator in the United States, is anecdotal; few studies have been done to assess the impact that free- roaming domestic house cats have on native bird populations. The negative impact of cats on island birds has been well documented (Fitzgerald and Karl 1979; Ludwig 1994; Turner and Bateson 1988; Heidemann and Vauk 1970). Since the fauna on most islands did not evolve in the presence of mammals, many insular birds are ill-equipped to deal with the predatory domestic cat. Several different approaches have been taken to determine the relative contribution of birds to the diet of domestic cats. Hubbs (1951) examined stomach contents of feral cats and found birds in 74 of 184 stomachs examined; when present, bird remains comprised 25.2% of the total bulk. Nilsson (1940, cited in Fitzgerald and Karl 1979) recorded 26 birds in the stomachs of 86 house cats in Oregon. Liberg (1984), using scat analysis to study diets of domestic cats in southern Sweden, determined that birds were the fourth important prey item after rabbits, field voles, and hares. All of Liberg’s study cats were fed by their human caretakers yet continued to hunt prey year round. Fitzgerald and Karl (1979) examined scat of feral house cats and found evidence of bird consumption in 12% of cats. Davis (1957) indicated that 24-25% of scats from study farm cats near Baltimore contained feathers and argued this estimate is conservative as it did not reflect the vast quantity of pigeons the study cats were seen to consume. Patton compiled statistics on prey taken by cats in Australia by asking owners to fill out questionnaires (Potter 1991). Results indicated 50 - 60% of cats preyed on birds. Mitchell and Beck (1992) collected prey items from one rural cat and four urban cats in Virginia. During the period from January - November 1990, the rural cat captured 25 birds and the urban cats caught 12. It was noted that the rural cat preyed almost exclusively on songbirds during the winter. While much evidence exists to document that cats do prey on birds, few studies have quantified cats’ impact on wild bird populations. Those few that have measured impact have concentrated on rural or village cats. ... (cont) |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html There are other studies from sources non-biased such as the Spray Pet Advocay, that indicates bird predation by cats is serious!: http://www.geocities.com/the_srco/Article.html DOMESTIC CAT (Felis catus ) PREDATION OF BIRDS IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT That's not a scientic, peer-reviewed study, Einstein- its just a paper. The author used 3 of Temple & Coleman's bull**** papers for their guesstimated guesstimates of statistics. The authors have no credibility. Hey! Look at the upside- Cats are improving the avian species by removing slow and stupid birds from the gene pool. lol! |
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"cybercat" wrote in message ... "chatnoir" wrote **** off, asshole. My sentiments exactly. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html headline: Cats and wildlife - how you can protect both LW0025 Stephen Platt, August 1999 Where is your cat at the moment? News flash: We're talking about *feral* cats, Einstein- not pet cats. |
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