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wrote in message ... Sherry wrote: I haven't found this to be true of iBooks. The *do* offer the newest releases, and also a waiting list for the ones that aren't released yet. The problem comes in when you're wanting to read an older, more obscure book. Most classics are available, and most for free, but if you're wanting to re-read a book you read a long time ago that's *not* a classic, you'll have to find it elsewhere. That is exactly my concern. But there's no reason one couldn't use *both* an e-reader and hardcopy books. -- Joyce I can't help it, I just like books. Real books. I've made my living with computers. Heck, that's how I know all of you. But I love the feel of a book in my hand. I like putting a physical bookmark between pages to mark my place. I have bookshelves in my den filled with books. I'm sure the Kindle and ibooks or whatever are fine. But I don't want to see books go out of fashion. They've meant too much in my life. Jill |
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"jmcquown" wrote:
wrote in message ... I can't help it, I just like books. Real books. I've made my living with computers. Heck, that's how I know all of you. But I love the feel of a book in my hand. I like putting a physical bookmark between pages to mark my place. I have bookshelves in my den filled with books. I'm sure the Kindle and ibooks or whatever are fine. But I don't want to see books go out of fashion. They've meant too much in my life. Jill I don't think books will ever go out of fashion completely. They said television would kill radio, it never happened. -- Adrian |
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On Jan 23, 11:46*am, Adrian wrote:
I don't think books will ever go out of fashion completely. They said television would kill radio, it never happened. Now a lot of radio programmes stream online I probably listen to the radio more than I watch TV Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... Sherry wrote: I haven't found this to be true of iBooks. The *do* offer the newest releases, and also a waiting list for the ones that aren't released yet. The problem comes in when you're wanting to read an older, more obscure book. Most classics are available, and most for free, but if you're wanting to re-read a book you read a long time ago that's *not* a classic, you'll have to find it elsewhere. That is exactly my concern. But there's no reason one couldn't use *both* an e-reader and hardcopy books. -- Joyce I can't help it, I just like books. Real books. I've made my living with computers. Heck, that's how I know all of you. But I love the feel of a book in my hand. I like putting a physical bookmark between pages to mark my place. I have bookshelves in my den filled with books. I'm sure the Kindle and ibooks or whatever are fine. But I don't want to see books go out of fashion. They've meant too much in my life. Jill I like real books best too. However, I must admit that the book I'm currently reading would be much easier to handle on a Kindle. I had an especially hard time reading in bed last night (I just started it yesterday). It's 11/22/63 by Stephen King. It's a very good book, but it is humungous, and my hands aren't as strong as they used to be. Joy |
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"Adrian" wrote in message
... "jmcquown" wrote: wrote in message ... I can't help it, I just like books. Real books. I've made my living with computers. Heck, that's how I know all of you. But I love the feel of a book in my hand. I like putting a physical bookmark between pages to mark my place. I have bookshelves in my den filled with books. I'm sure the Kindle and ibooks or whatever are fine. But I don't want to see books go out of fashion. They've meant too much in my life. Jill I don't think books will ever go out of fashion completely. They said television would kill radio, it never happened. -- Adrian My sister and I were discussing something along those lines earlier. "They" said that movies would kill live theater, and that TV would kill movies. Instead, we have all three to enjoy. Joy |
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I like real books best too. However, I must admit that the book I'm
currently reading would be much easier to handle on a Kindle. I had an especially hard time reading in bed last night (I just started it yesterday). It's 11/22/63 by Stephen King. It's a very good book, but it is humungous, and my hands aren't as strong as they used to be. That suggests a truly grim possible development. Books (particularly popular genre fiction) started to bloat as soon as authors got their hands on word processors. If you had to write every word with a pen, or bang out every letter on a typewriter for every rewrite, you had a built-in incentive not to use any more words than necessary. But even with authors using word processors and outliners to keep track of all their superfluous characters, there was still a physical limit to how big a book you could expect to sell. Don DeLillo's "Underworld" pushed at it, Vikram Seth's "A Suitable Boy" went way over it in its hardback edition for a lot of readers. But now every book can weigh the same and there is no limit to logorrhoea. People have been softened up to tolerate garrulity by blogs that go on forever. A future where civilization winds down to a dead stop as people freeze into pupa-like immobility while reading interminable stories on their e-readers. Perhaps Stephen King could write a book about it... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- e m a i l : j a c k @ c a m p i n . m e . u k Jack Campin, 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU, Scotland mobile 07800 739 557 http://www.campin.me.uk Twitter: JackCampin |
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Jack Campin wrote:
I like real books best too. However, I must admit that the book I'm currently reading would be much easier to handle on a Kindle. I had an especially hard time reading in bed last night (I just started it yesterday). It's 11/22/63 by Stephen King. It's a very good book, but it is humungous, and my hands aren't as strong as they used to be. That suggests a truly grim possible development. Books (particularly popular genre fiction) started to bloat as soon as authors got their hands on word processors. If you had to write every word with a pen, or bang out every letter on a typewriter for every rewrite, you had a built-in incentive not to use any more words than necessary. But even with authors using word processors and outliners to keep track of all their superfluous characters, there was still a physical limit to how big a book you could expect to sell. Don DeLillo's "Underworld" pushed at it, Vikram Seth's "A Suitable Boy" went way over it in its hardback edition for a lot of readers. But now every book can weigh the same and there is no limit to logorrhoea. People have been softened up to tolerate garrulity by blogs that go on forever. A future where civilization winds down to a dead stop as people freeze into pupa-like immobility while reading interminable stories on their e-readers. Perhaps Stephen King could write a book about it... Actually, I don't agree that word processors are to blame. Publishers are pretty strict about the number of words per book, depending on ... (Oops, here's where I give away my lack of knowledge, because I don't remember what exactly it depends on. But a friend of mine is in the process of having a memoir published, and she had to cut it down to 90,000 words because of, um, *something*. Different categories of books have different maxiumum lengths, I just don't remember what the categories are.) My theory about Stephen King is that he's an exception, and can do whatever he wants. His books badly, *badly* need editing, but why would his publisher pay an editor? His books are going to be bestsellers no matter what's in them. -- Joyce audiophile, n: Someone who listens to the equipment instead of the music. |
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... Jack Campin wrote: I like real books best too. However, I must admit that the book I'm currently reading would be much easier to handle on a Kindle. I had an especially hard time reading in bed last night (I just started it yesterday). It's 11/22/63 by Stephen King. It's a very good book, but it is humungous, and my hands aren't as strong as they used to be. That suggests a truly grim possible development. Books (particularly popular genre fiction) started to bloat as soon as authors got their hands on word processors. If you had to write every word with a pen, or bang out every letter on a typewriter for every rewrite, you had a built-in incentive not to use any more words than necessary. But even with authors using word processors and outliners to keep track of all their superfluous characters, there was still a physical limit to how big a book you could expect to sell. Don DeLillo's "Underworld" pushed at it, Vikram Seth's "A Suitable Boy" went way over it in its hardback edition for a lot of readers. But now every book can weigh the same and there is no limit to logorrhoea. People have been softened up to tolerate garrulity by blogs that go on forever. A future where civilization winds down to a dead stop as people freeze into pupa-like immobility while reading interminable stories on their e-readers. Perhaps Stephen King could write a book about it... Actually, I don't agree that word processors are to blame. Publishers are pretty strict about the number of words per book, depending on ... (Oops, here's where I give away my lack of knowledge, because I don't remember what exactly it depends on. But a friend of mine is in the process of having a memoir published, and she had to cut it down to 90,000 words because of, um, *something*. Different categories of books have different maxiumum lengths, I just don't remember what the categories are.) My theory about Stephen King is that he's an exception, and can do whatever he wants. His books badly, *badly* need editing, but why would his publisher pay an editor? His books are going to be bestsellers no matter what's in them. -- Joyce Many of King's books have been big ones, although none as big as this one. I'm well into it now, and, while it isn't at all what I was expecting (at least not so far), it's holding my interest as most of his books do, and not grossing me out as much as many of them. Incidentally, a couple of Isaac Asimov's books were pretty large, and he refused to use a computer or word processor. Joy |
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Joy wrote:
My theory about Stephen King is that he's an exception, and can do whatever he wants. His books badly, *badly* need editing, but why would his publisher pay an editor? His books are going to be bestsellers no matter what's in them. Many of King's books have been big ones, although none as big as this one. I'm well into it now, and, while it isn't at all what I was expecting (at least not so far), it's holding my interest as most of his books do, and not grossing me out as much as many of them. I wasn't talking so much about the size, but rather the redundancy of his wording. He'll use 3 metaphors to describe something when one would do just fine. I know he likes to write in a conversational tone, which is one of the things that makes his books appealing, but that doesn't mean he has to ramble on. About 10 or 15 years ago there was a trend of celebrities getting gigs reading books for audio recordings. These weren't like Books On Tape, because they were abridged. This is usually objectionable, but not with Stephen King's books. I remember one book, "Desperation", from 1995 or so. The physical book was over 700 pages, but I had the audio book. The cuts they made for the audiobook made it into a reasonable-length story. Incidentally, a couple of Isaac Asimov's books were pretty large, and he refused to use a computer or word processor. I didn't know that. Asimov, one of the masters of "hard" science fiction, a Luddite? -- Joyce I prefer to live with Feline Sapiens, thank you very much. |
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wrote in message
... Joy wrote: My theory about Stephen King is that he's an exception, and can do whatever he wants. His books badly, *badly* need editing, but why would his publisher pay an editor? His books are going to be bestsellers no matter what's in them. Many of King's books have been big ones, although none as big as this one. I'm well into it now, and, while it isn't at all what I was expecting (at least not so far), it's holding my interest as most of his books do, and not grossing me out as much as many of them. I wasn't talking so much about the size, but rather the redundancy of his wording. He'll use 3 metaphors to describe something when one would do just fine. I know he likes to write in a conversational tone, which is one of the things that makes his books appealing, but that doesn't mean he has to ramble on. About 10 or 15 years ago there was a trend of celebrities getting gigs reading books for audio recordings. These weren't like Books On Tape, because they were abridged. This is usually objectionable, but not with Stephen King's books. I remember one book, "Desperation", from 1995 or so. The physical book was over 700 pages, but I had the audio book. The cuts they made for the audiobook made it into a reasonable-length story. Incidentally, a couple of Isaac Asimov's books were pretty large, and he refused to use a computer or word processor. I didn't know that. Asimov, one of the masters of "hard" science fiction, a Luddite? -- Joyce Yes, very much so. He even refused to fly. He wouldn't travel anywhere unless he could go by train and take his typewriter with him. He 'had' to spend at least six hours a day writing. Joy |
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