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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
On Sep 18, 3:42*pm, hopitus wrote:
On Sep 18, 2:01*pm, Catlady wrote: On Sep 18, 12:28*pm, "Matthew" wrote: Limo who is 15 almost 16 has something wrong with her mouth it is not a tumor or lesion *the flesh under her tongue is staying inflamed. *The vet believe it is an auto immune disease. *He put her on antibiotics in the beginning they helped out a lot but are doing nothing now. Some possibilities include eosinophilic granuloma complex, glossitis, and the plague (yes really). Currently treating with corticoid shot every couple weeks she goes back this week again. *Probably put her on a permanent version of the drug. *She hates being pilled she runs and hides for hours if you miss getting her. Injectable steroids should not be used at all, and certainly not long term. It is very common for cats to develop diabtes from these injections that is often irreversible. A better option is to get prednisolone (NOT prednisone, which is ineffective in cats) in a compunded liquid form that can be easily given with an oral syringe or mixed with food. * This is obviously painful for her and she should also be getting pain meds. Has any testing been done? A biopsy and some bloodwork really should be done to get a handle on exactly what this is. Treating by "guessing" what it might be does not help her, as you are seeing. Well she has trouble chewing. *We have found she will still drink the gravy or juices. *So I have been squeezing various pouches out for her to eat. *WE have tried that liquid supplement ,chicken broth chicken stock gravy in the jars and cans she ignores it *, tried the senior vitamin supplement paste she ignores it. *I even tried the gravy for dogs she ignores it *while Rumble gobbles it. Done evaporated milk *she will drink when she is in the mood. *Kitten milk ignores it She will eat tuna and chicken from the can juices sometimes but really want to stay away from that too much processed junk in it a couple times I know is fine but need to find another source. *I did bake some chicken the other day *the juices from it *she gobbled. *I know how to make gravy but mine always have onions and some other non furball friendly stuff. *I do not know how flour effects cats since that is what I use to thicken the product Anyone have had the same experience with a gravy gobbler. *This probably would benefit Rumble also since he is a gravy gobbler. *There used to be a product called Just gravy but is no longer being produced in the US. My vet does not have any recommendations. *He is one of the ones that don't try and push products on people for ridiculous prices I have checked online *all I find is people asking the same question or sites that want you to buy some product Any help is greatly appreciated Use a hand blender like this one (http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-...-Watt-Immersio... ) and take any canned food she likes that is a pate and blend it with water into a more gravy like consistency. Your cat will not get the nutrition or calories she needs from gravy alone. If this is EGC you also must consider what she is eating. There could be an allergic component to this and eliminating all fish, beef and grains (Fancy Feast comtains wheat gluten which is a huge trigger as well) from her diet may be enough to turn things around. Wellness and Innove Evo 95 are good options that are grain and gluten free that blend up nicely. I was wondering about the nutritional value of just eating gravy/ juices exclusively; and yeah, not great idea for regular regime. Snaggly licks all the gravy off his gooshy food (which he only gets every few days) so I just don't give him any kibbles or treats till he comes back and finishes the actual food left from the can in his bowl. He would like to get just gravy but I outsmart his likes. So....pulverized allergy-free food inserted from a syringe with a large enough snout end to handle finished product would give much better nutrition value. Where could you buy syringe with business end that big? When I used to work, the "specials" xray room had all kinds of these for cath attachments, but like where now for public purchase? I can no longer raid medical supplies at work. Would vet supply places or online be a source for large-bore syringes? Snaggly eats like a pig and I am asking just in case for friends, or future need.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have always used 3 ml oral syringes (much easier to handle - especially with an uncooperative cat! ) and shoot no more than 2 mls at a time, which is equal to about one bite of food and is just about right where it all goes in and doesn't get spit out. In most cases, using a blender on foods I know are already soft and not chunky has worked well enough that I can draw it up in the syringe without getting it stuck. Plain meat baby food always works smoothly and is my go to for emergencies when a cat is off food. I also keep a couple of the empty glass jars around as they are perfect for putting the blended food in and drawing from, and a full jar (2.25 ounces) is a reasonable amount for one meal and is easier than trying to keep track of how many mls you can get into the cat. The last thing anyone needs is to have the cat develop fatty liver disease from not getting enough food! I have also at times taken the syringe, cut off the tip and then stuck the sharp end of a knife or scissors in the hole and twisted it around until the hole is wider. I then take an emery board and smooth out the rough edges and it works quite well. |
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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
On Sep 18, 3:42*pm, hopitus wrote:
Would vet supply places or online be a source for large-bore syringes? Snaggly eats like a pig and I am asking just in case for friends, or future need.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I forgot to add that I reaaly like the Baxa syringes. You want the kind with the small ring like the one at this link as it doesn't stick like the other type does: http://www.planetrx.com/p/baxa_exact...ea/163965.html |
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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
Matthew wrote:
Limo who is 15 almost 16 has something wrong with her mouth it is not a tumor or lesion the flesh under her tongue is staying inflamed. The vet believe it is an auto immune disease. He put her on antibiotics in the beginning they helped out a lot but are doing nothing now. Currently treating with corticoid shot every couple weeks she goes back this week again. Probably put her on a permanent version of the drug. She hates being pilled she runs and hides for hours if you miss getting her. Well she has trouble chewing. Matthew, when I had some foster kittens recently that became ill and wouldn't eat (they were about 8 weeks old so on solids by then) I got a kitten feeding kit and used the syringe without the teat from that to syringe-feed them. Like Catlady suggests, a wide-bore syringe would be perfect. I had to cut the end off the syringe to make it wide enough for the gloopy food. The food I used was Royal Canin 'Babycat Instinctive 10' wet food in trays, which is like a pate consistency, and watered down a little to allow it to flow better. I wonder if Limo is reluctant to eat because it is just too painful for her? It sounds to me like lapping or chewing would be very painful with an inflamed mouth or tongue so she doesn't really even want to try as she knows it will hurt. I'm not sure how easy it will be to try syringe-feeding her but it may be the only way to get some nutrition into her. Another thing I had to deal with a year or two ago was a rescue cat that had its jaw wired due to a RTA. Obviously he could not eat or drink so he had a gastric tube through which both liquid food and water had to be given at set intervals throughout the day. The area was covered by a tubular bandage and a dressing. It required a lot of careful nursing to make sure the tube and area was kept spotlessly clean and that he got the right amounts of food and water throughout the day. It is a drastic option but that way bypasses the painful mouth completely. However may not be suitable for an elderly cat or your circumstances. I'm sure your vet could advise. Deb. -- http://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield |
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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
"Matthew" wrote in message ng.com... Limo who is 15 almost 16 has something wrong with her mouth it is not a tumor or lesion the flesh under her tongue is staying inflamed. The vet believe it is an auto immune disease. He put her on antibiotics in the beginning they helped out a lot but are doing nothing now. Currently treating with corticoid shot every couple weeks she goes back this week again. Probably put her on a permanent version of the drug. She hates being pilled she runs and hides for hours if you miss getting her. Well she has trouble chewing. We have found she will still drink the gravy or juices. So I have been squeezing various pouches out for her to eat. WE have tried that liquid supplement ,chicken broth chicken stock gravy in the jars and cans she ignores it , tried the senior vitamin supplement paste she ignores it. I even tried the gravy for dogs she ignores it while Rumble gobbles it. Done evaporated milk she will drink when she is in the mood. Kitten milk ignores it She will eat tuna and chicken from the can juices sometimes but really want to stay away from that too much processed junk in it a couple times I know is fine but need to find another source. I did bake some chicken the other day the juices from it she gobbled. I know how to make gravy but mine always have onions and some other non furball friendly stuff. I do not know how flour effects cats since that is what I use to thicken the product Anyone have had the same experience with a gravy gobbler. This probably would benefit Rumble also since he is a gravy gobbler. There used to be a product called Just gravy but is no longer being produced in the US. My vet does not have any recommendations. He is one of the ones that don't try and push products on people for ridiculous prices I have checked online all I find is people asking the same question or sites that want you to buy some product Any help is greatly appreciated As others have said I'd use a blender to make her usual food into a paste that she can lap up. Tweed |
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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
"hopitus" wrote in message
... On Sep 18, 2:01 pm, Catlady wrote: On Sep 18, 12:28 pm, "Matthew" wrote: Well she has trouble chewing. We have found she will still drink the gravy or juices. So I have been squeezing various pouches out for her to eat. WE have tried that liquid supplement ,chicken broth chicken stock gravy in the jars and cans she ignores it , tried the senior vitamin supplement paste she ignores it. (snippage) Use a hand blender like this one (http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-...-Watt-Immersio... ) and take any canned food she likes that is a pate and blend it with water into a more gravy like consistency. Your cat will not get the nutrition or calories she needs from gravy alone. (snippage) I was wondering about the nutritional value of just eating gravy/ juices exclusively; and yeah, not great idea for regular regime. Snaggly licks all the gravy off his gooshy food (which he only gets every few days) so I just don't give him any kibbles or treats till he comes back and finishes the actual food left from the can in his bowl. He would like to get just gravy but I outsmart his likes. So....pulverized allergy-free food inserted from a syringe with a large enough snout end to handle finished product would give much better nutrition value. Where could you buy syringe with business end that big? No mystery - any drug store will have them. Jill |
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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
"Matthew" wrote in message ng.com... Limo who is 15 almost 16 has something wrong with her mouth it is not a tumor or lesion the flesh under her tongue is staying inflamed. The vet believe it is an auto immune disease. He put her on antibiotics in the beginning they helped out a lot but are doing nothing now. My vet does not have any recommendations. He is one of the ones that don't try and push products on people for ridiculous prices I have a problem with this statement. Vets don't have to push products in order to make recommendations. It's not like you're asking him to sell you something. You're asking him how to help you get Limo to eat! He should have *some* thoughts on the matter! Jill |
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Need a cat gracy recipe or a cat friendly gravy recipe
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... "Matthew" wrote in message ng.com... Limo who is 15 almost 16 has something wrong with her mouth it is not a tumor or lesion the flesh under her tongue is staying inflamed. The vet believe it is an auto immune disease. He put her on antibiotics in the beginning they helped out a lot but are doing nothing now. My vet does not have any recommendations. He is one of the ones that don't try and push products on people for ridiculous prices I have a problem with this statement. Vets don't have to push products in order to make recommendations. It's not like you're asking him to sell you something. You're asking him how to help you get Limo to eat! He should have *some* thoughts on the matter! Jill Your reading more into than it was ;-). In other words We already discussed it. He was not trying to push ridiculous high end priced products that we know would not work on me like a lot of vets do. This vet is a personal friend of mine for over 20 years I actually just got back from the vet less than an hour ago. HE gave her another shot. In 2 weeks we start the Presidone or however you spell it treatment to see if that helps. The only real option right now is to biopsy the material that has a problem. Big problem there is when limo was last under the knock out stuff when she got neutered 14 plus years ago she almost died from a reaction to it. So far she turns her nose up on the gravy types I make but the fresh chicken stock she will eat. I ordered some of that Vitagravy the local petsmart was out of it |
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