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Bloody vomit - is it related to HCM/Atenolol?
Hello all,
I'm having trouble tracking down information online about my cat's symptoms, and I stumbled across this forum and thought somebody here might have some advice or information. My 3-yr. old female cat, Mya, was diagnosed with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) last December. Since then, she's been on a daily dose of 12.5 mg Atenolol. Her last visit to the cardiologist showed that the Atenolol has slowed her heart rate and prevented the HCM from progressing, at least for the time being. Last night, she vomited up blood. At first I thought it was a red string, but it turned out to be a thick stream of bloody mucus. It was bright red - it didn't look like coffee grounds. I took her to the emergency clinic, where they did blood work and x-rays. She continued to wretch, especially when the vet palpitated her throat, but only bile was coming up with a hint of blood. The vet said though that she saw fresh blood in her esophagus upon examination. The diagnosis is gastric ulcers and esophagitis. The vet said that Atenolol should not be causing these problems, since it's not supposed to have any GI related side effects. But I can't help but think that maybe this past year of daily pilling has done damage to her. The vet also said that it's possible that her heart condition could have created vessels in her stomach that could have burst. Before sending her home, she gave Mya an injection of subcutaneous fluids to prevent dehydration, an injection of Pepcid, and Pepcid and Reglan pills for me to give Mya at home. She's now getting six pills a day, spread across three different doses. I guess I'd like to hear from anyone who has had experience with HCM, Atenolol, gastric ulcers, or esophagitis. It's been a scary 24 hours for me (and Mya!) and I'd just like to arm myself with some more information. I have a follow-up appointment with the vet on Monday afternoon, but anything you all can add would be appreciated. Thanks to anyone who can help! Stacy |
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Bloody vomit - is it related to HCM/Atenolol?
She's now gettin six pills a day
Are you following the pills with a syringe (3 ml) or two of water? With that many pills it is especially important. You could also give her a tablespoon or two of canned or baby food immediately after to not only help the pills go down so they don't dissolve in her throat, but also to get her to associate the pills with something good. You could also try Pill Pockets, which are a treat you can stick the pill in. They are a bit expensive, but for small pills you can fit two pills in one treat. Here is an article about pilling cats and esophagitis: http://www.catinfo.org/pillingcats.htm Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Bloody vomit - is it related to HCM/Atenolol?
"Stacy" wrote in message ... Hello all, I'm having trouble tracking down information online about my cat's symptoms, and I stumbled across this forum and thought somebody here might have some advice or information. My 3-yr. old female cat, Mya, was diagnosed with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) last December. Since then, she's been on a daily dose of 12.5 mg Atenolol. Her last visit to the cardiologist showed that the Atenolol has slowed her heart rate and prevented the HCM from progressing, at least for the time being. Last night, she vomited up blood. At first I thought it was a red string, but it turned out to be a thick stream of bloody mucus. It was bright red - it didn't look like coffee grounds. I took her to the emergency clinic, where they did blood work and x-rays. She continued to wretch, especially when the vet palpitated her throat, but only bile was coming up with a hint of blood. The vet said though that she saw fresh blood in her esophagus upon examination. The diagnosis is gastric ulcers and esophagitis. The vet said that Atenolol should not be causing these problems, since it's not supposed to have any GI related side effects. But I can't help but think that maybe this past year of daily pilling has done damage to her. You are absolutely *right*. Your vet should have told you to follow the pills with a water bolus or canned cat food- even water-packed tuna if your cat won't canned cat food. Here's an abstract from a study on this exact problem that I posted 4 years ago when it was first published. Print this out and show it to your vet: Newsgroups: alt.cats From: "Phil P." - Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:56:35 -0500 Local: Sun, Dec 30 2001 6:56 am Subject: The Importance of water after pilling For the group: This is an abstract of very recent (2001) study that many vets may not yet have seen. It addresses a potentially serious problem associated with pilling cats that has only recently been discovered. We're all aware of the discomfort of swallowing a pill "dry", however, the problem can be more serious for a cat. The pill or capsule can become entrapped in the midcervical region of the cat's esophagus for as long *five minutes*. This can not only cause discomfort, esophageal entrapment can also cause esophagitis and esophageal stricture formation. "Evaluation of esophageal transit of tablets and capsules in 30 cats" Westfall DS, Twedt DC, Steyn PF, Oberhauser EB, VanCleave JW. Department of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523, USA. "We have reported tablet-induced focal esophagitis and esophageal stricture formation in cats. The proposed mechanism is thought to be abnormal esophageal tablet retention resulting in focal esophagitis with subsequent stricture formation. The objective of this study was to evaluate the passage of tablets and capsules when given alone (dry swallow) and when followed by a water bolus (wet swallow) to determine if this could, in part, explain the esophageal stricture formation we have observed in cats. Fluoroscopy was used to evaluate tablet or capsule passage after administration. The percentage of dry tablet swallows that successfully passed into the stomach was 0.0% at 30 and 60 seconds, 6.7% at 90 seconds, 13.3% at 120 seconds, 26.7% at 180 and 240 seconds, and 36.7% at 300 seconds. Wet tablet swallows successfully passed 90.0% of the time at 30 seconds, 93.3% of the time at 60 seconds, and 100.0% of the time thereafter. The percentage of dry capsule swallows that successfully passed was 16.7% at each time interval. Wet capsule swallows successfully passed 96.7% of the time at 30 seconds and 100% of the time thereafter. For each time interval, wet swallows achieved significantly greater percentage passage into the stomach when compared to dry swallows (P .05). This study shows that tablets or capsules given by dry swallow have prolonged retention in the esophagus compared to those given by wet swallow. On the basis of this study, we recommend the routine administration of a water bolus to cats receiving tablets or capsules PO to facilitate esophageal clearance. This practice may help prevent medication-associated esophagitis or stricture formation." (Excerpt from: The Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine; Vol 15; Issue 5; Pages 467-70; Sep-Oct 2001) The vet also said that it's possible that her heart condition could have created vessels in her stomach that could have burst. Ridiculous. Your vet just doesn't want to admit that he didn't know pills can become entrapped and retained in the esophagus for as long *5 minutes* where they can dissolve and induce medication-associated esophagitis or esophageal strictures. Before sending her home, she gave Mya an injection of subcutaneous fluids to prevent dehydration, an injection of Pepcid, and Pepcid and Reglan pills for me to give Mya at home. She's now getting six pills a day, spread across three different doses. Just be *absolutely* sure to follow each pilling with a water bolus from a medicine syringe or canned cat food. Give her the water slowly so she doesn't choke. There's a little gap (diastema) just behind her canine teeth where the tip of a medicine syringe fits perfectly- so you don't have to try to force open her mouth. http://www.maxshouse.com/Illustrations/liquid_meds.jpg http://www.maxshouse.com/anatomy/man...edial_view.jpg http://www.maxshouse.com/Medicating_Your_Cat.htm If your cat won't eat canned food, rub a dab of the food around her mouth and/or on her belly. She'll lick it off and swallow it whether she likes it or not. This will clear her esophagus. You can also offer her tuna water. I guess I'd like to hear from anyone who has had experience with HCM, Atenolol, gastric ulcers, or esophagitis. It's been a scary 24 hours for me (and Mya!) and I'd just like to arm myself with some more information. I have a follow-up appointment with the vet on Monday afternoon, but anything you all can add would be appreciated. Print out the above abstract and show it to your vet. Best of luck, Phil |
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Bloody vomit - is it related to HCM/Atenolol?
Suddenly, without warning, Phil P. exclaimed (06-Nov-05 9:02 AM):
You are absolutely *right*. Your vet should have told you to follow the pills with a water bolus or canned cat food- even water-packed tuna if your cat won't canned cat food. Phil: What's a water bolus? It sounds like some sort of water-filled capsule, but I'm betting it's not. Would a squirt of water from a syringe work? This is the first I've heard of following pilling a cat with water, but I heard a resounding "DUH!" when thinking about it: Of course! How many of us take pills dry? Don't we always follow a pill with water to make sure it goes down? Why *wouldn't* we do this for our cats? Whenever she'll take it, I'll usually follow a pill with a treat or hairball med, since she loves the stuff. Water seems better though. Would think we'd want to be careful though, wouldn't want the water to go down the wrong pipe, as it were. Would that normally be a problem with someone inexperienced? Learned something new today, thanks! jmc |
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Bloody vomit - is it related to HCM/Atenolol?
"jmc" wrote in message ... Suddenly, without warning, Phil P. exclaimed (06-Nov-05 9:02 AM): You are absolutely *right*. Your vet should have told you to follow the pills with a water bolus or canned cat food- even water-packed tuna if your cat won't canned cat food. Phil: What's a water bolus? It sounds like some sort of water-filled capsule, but I'm betting it's not. Would a squirt of water from a syringe work? Same thing. A water bolus is a basically a swallow of water. A bolus could be food, too. This is the first I've heard of following pilling a cat with water, but I heard a resounding "DUH!" when thinking about it: Of course! How many of us take pills dry? Don't we always follow a pill with water to make sure it goes down? Why *wouldn't* we do this for our cats? I know whatcha mean. I'm sure everyone had an aspirin stuck in their throat at one time or another and it started to dissolve- horrible taste that wouldn't go away. Why would anyone think dry swallowing a pill is any less dangerous and uncomfortable for a cat than it is for a human? Its even more dangerous because feline swallow physiology is more like a human infant's than an adult's. Cats are usually easy to pill the first time- but if the pill doesn't go right down and begins to dissolve in the esophagus-- its a struggle the second time. That's the main reason why cats are so hard to pill. I was actually a little surprised when I read the study- like 'who needs to be told to give their cats water or canned food after pilling? Isn't that second nature?". But if you think about it, how many vets tell their clients to give their cats water after pilling? I'm glad the study was done because at least there's a published reference now. Whenever she'll take it, I'll usually follow a pill with a treat or hairball med, since she loves the stuff. Water seems better though. If you have to pill your cat daily, you can also use a little Vita Gravy-Feline or Science Diet Mixit. They're both tasty liquids designed to pour over dry food to help the transition to canned food. Would think we'd want to be careful though, wouldn't want the water to go down the wrong pipe, as it were. Would that normally be a problem with someone inexperienced? If you use a medicine syringe, just inject the water slowly. There's less risk of choking or gagging if you inject the water between the teeth and the buccal wall rather than straight into her mouth. Learned something new today, thanks! Your welcome, Here're some tips on medicating a cat: http://www.maxshouse.com/Medicating_Your_Cat.htm Phil |
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Bloody vomit - is it related to HCM/Atenolol?
"jmc" wrote in message ... Suddenly, without warning, Phil P. exclaimed (06-Nov-05 9:02 AM): You are absolutely *right*. Your vet should have told you to follow the pills with a water bolus or canned cat food- even water-packed tuna if your cat won't canned cat food. Phil: What's a water bolus? A bolus is what moves through the digestive system when you swallow something. |
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Thanks again for your thorough and helpful response, Stacy |
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