Accident update #2 -another long one

Very good news, and just about what I expected to hear from Tulane U.
hospital. - with the exception of the "non-wound-cleaning"; I would think
your local did the best they could with the wounds cleaning but obviously
there was stuff imbedded in there that could not be seen except by xrays -
oh, and BTW I'll bet your young relative has had tons of them and will for
sure have lots more xrays. Don't worry about the hip; ortho surgeons are
quite skilled in rebuilding such injuries (on very old, fragile bones: your
boy's bones will heal faster than the old people's!). I (alone?) will not be
surprised if he makes it home for the Xmas holidays, but yes, much rehab is
ahead for him. You and your relatives will be making the trek to the Big EZ
to visit with him and give him encouragement for the days ahead. God bless
all.



"Sam Nash" wrote in message
...
: "GracecatOnl" wrote in message
: ...
: He's out of surgery, the bleeding has stopped but he remains in critical
: condition at Tulane.
: snipped
: Purrs continuing from here for a complete recovery, Grace.
: Sam
:
:

Subject: Accident update #2 -another long one
From: "Hopitus2"
Date: 11/18/03 10:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Very good news, and just about what I expected to hear from Tulane U.
hospital. - with the exception of the "non-wound-cleaning"; I would think
your local did the best they could with the wounds cleaning but obviously
there was stuff imbedded in there that could not be seen except by xrays -

That's why I wondered about it Hop. They took CT scans even after they were
pretty sure there were no head/neck injuries. So I assumed they'd take an
MRI/CT of the main injuries and noticed this? And it could be they were
concerned only with stopping the bleeding long enough to get him either to LSU
med center or Tulane. If they continued to dig and pick at the debris, it might
further the damage and they couldn't stop it at all. I don't like to complain
about hospitals because you have the same caring staff everywhere. It's just..
frustrating when we don't have what we need in every ER.

I learned a bit about our two hospitals in the Alexandria, Louisian region. My
kidlet's daycare is owned operated and staffed by three RNs. One explained that
neither of our hospitals is adapt at trauma support. That's less than great
news no doubt and that it's very routine to send patients to other hospitals.
Makes a person wonder just how many hospitals are out there that can't handle
severe trauma.

I don't know how you can do it Hopitus. I honestly haven't a clue. I didn't
stay at the hospital long, his family was coming in in droves and my family is
just very close friends. But from the 20 minutes I was there, I determined
there's no way in hell I could watch the devastation on a daily basis. And I
think I'd have to turn in my little old badge after the first 2am parental
visit. You and Dave G, and everyone else has my prayers on a daily basis now.

On 18 Nov 2003 22:53:42 GMT, (GracecatOnl) wrote:

snip
first of the year and then there's rehab and physical therapy. But yay! They're
actually talking long term now.


Sounds like good news, indeed. Continuing prayers and purr for his
progress and recovery, and comforting purrs for his loved ones
--
Steve Touchstone,
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hugs and purrs to you and your friend and his family. They're in our
purrayers.
Christine
"GracecatOnl" wrote in message
...
He's out of surgery, the bleeding has stopped but he remains in critical
condition at Tulane.

So far, they have discovered that our local hospital did not clean his
wounds,
at all. I could say we're assuming that they didn't believe he'd live so
they
didn't try very hard. But I'm not familiar with trauma procedure so I'm
not
sure it's as negative as all that but *shrug* ya know.

So Tulane has spent today and part of the next couple days returning to
his
injuries and remove tree bark, leaves, grass, dirt, glass.

I'm strongly assuming they ran numerous x-rays around his midsection. I'm
assuming this because even though the first CT scan on his head came back
good,
they ran a second and *if* they did that then surely they x-rayed his
injuries
extensively... right? Anyway, Tulane said the pelvis is damaged much more
than
Rapides initially believed and that his leg was attached to his hip by
muscle.
In addition to arterial repair, next week they're planning on screws and a
plate. The drainage valves/bags (for his colon, kidney and bladder) is all
temporary to date. They've repaired it and long term is that they'll heal
fine.


The good news is that they've had a specialist on skin grafting in today,
they've scheduled next week surgeries and he's stable, not bleeding and
he's
come through over 32 hours. Our hopes are strong that he'll come out of
this.
Mom has spoken to his mother and she seems to be in better spirits. Tulane
has
truly done what Rapides would never have been able to do.

I appreciate your prayers and I'm sure everyone else does, he's such a
sweet
kidlet. (I thought he was 22, he's 20) and his sister is Mom's third (or
fourth) daughter by proxy. Until next week, after he's had the second
round of
surgeries, the news is going to stay the same. We'd like to see him come
home
for Christmas but unless he shocks 'em all, he'll be there until at least
the
first of the year and then there's rehab and physical therapy. But yay!
They're
actually talking long term now.

I believe your assumption re "stopping the bleeding" as #1 priority at the
time of crisis is correct. Interesting fact: the ER I work in "can't handle
heavy-duty trauma"! It's a "heart center" (which is what saved my life in
July when I had that heart attack while working there!).....we do get some
"fender benders" accident folks, but nothing like what rolled in in "the Big
Red Bus" at a Class 1 Trauma Center I worked at for several years, but
because it was a terribly long commute there, moved employment to my present
ER.
Did not mean to nag re the seatbelts; not your concern anyway; but one thing
about wearing them bums me terribly: young people seize on and remember the
few accidents where, like your young man, being "buckled in" would have
caused him to die instantly (or drown underwater, etc.).......when in
reality the vast majority of non-seatbelt-wearing accident victims are
thrown out or PARTLY (there is a reason for the capitals) thrown out by
forces in motion when vehicles overturn. These are the accidents that "don't
make it" to *any* ER -that we hear the paramedics talking about after they
had gone to the scene, only to be useless in saving anyone's life. Their
nerves are bad and they have to vent about it and because of that, we don't
mind their venting the gruesome details they saw..I've listened to this for
almost 30 years now. What bums me is young people don't have a clue that
they will be helpless *moving* objects without that belt in an accident!
Boring rpca friends - sorry -
if anyone has learned anything they might think about from the above, I'll
take your ire and annoyance happily. Purrs from south FL for all rpca
friends continued safety while driving.
As I said, Gracie, the young man AFAIK is under the best of care where he is
now.


"GracecatOnl" wrote in message
...
: Subject: Accident update #2 -another long one
: From: "Hopitus2"
: Date: 11/18/03 10:39 PM Central Standard Time
: Message-id:
:
: Very good news, and just about what I expected to hear from Tulane U.
: hospital. - with the exception of the "non-wound-cleaning"; I would think
: your local did the best they could with the wounds cleaning but obviously
: there was stuff imbedded in there that could not be seen except by
xrays -
:
: That's why I wondered about it Hop. They took CT scans even after they
were
: pretty sure there were no head/neck injuries. So I assumed they'd take an
: MRI/CT of the main injuries and noticed this? And it could be they were
: concerned only with stopping the bleeding long enough to get him either to
LSU
: med center or Tulane. If they continued to dig and pick at the debris, it
might
: further the damage and they couldn't stop it at all. I don't like to
complain
: about hospitals because you have the same caring staff everywhere. It's
just..
: frustrating when we don't have what we need in every ER.
:
: I learned a bit about our two hospitals in the Alexandria, Louisian
region. My
: kidlet's daycare is owned operated and staffed by three RNs. One explained
that
: neither of our hospitals is adapt at trauma support. That's less than
great
: news no doubt and that it's very routine to send patients to other
hospitals.
: Makes a person wonder just how many hospitals are out there that can't
handle
: severe trauma.
:
: I don't know how you can do it Hopitus. I honestly haven't a clue. I
didn't
: stay at the hospital long, his family was coming in in droves and my
family is
: just very close friends. But from the 20 minutes I was there, I determined
: there's no way in hell I could watch the devastation on a daily basis. And
I
: think I'd have to turn in my little old badge after the first 2am parental
: visit. You and Dave G, and everyone else has my prayers on a daily basis
now.
:
:

Did not mean to nag re the seatbelts; not your concern anyway; but one thing
about wearing them bums me terribly: young people seize on and remember the
few accidents where, like your young man, being "buckled in" would have
caused him to die instantly (or drown underwater, etc.).......when in
reality the vast majority of non-seatbelt-wearing accident victims are
thrown out or PARTLY (there is a reason for the capitals) thrown out by
forces in motion when vehicles overturn. These are the accidents that "don't
make it" to *any* ER

I think I'm following you. seatbelts . and yeah, you're right.

In this case, he wasn't seatbelted in and ended at the tailbed of his pick-up
with a puncture (or gash) through his thigh and artery. He could have died
(just talked to everybody, they've seemed to stop saying that, dr's included.
He's out of the extreme danger) very easily.

If he was seatbelted in, he may not have had that injury to his thigh, but may
have had his chest crushed in by a dashboard. It may have been less
traumatizing as this artery has been. And, as they say he could have died as
well.

In my opinion, the seatbelt was neutral either way. He could have died that way
and I think if they were given this scenario on paper, they would have said
he'd die this way. He almost did and frankly I wonder if the doctor wasn't
surprised that he didn't. So in my other opinion, no matter what they should
ever ever ever promote this non-seatbelt wearing idea is not safe and never
should be exercised. Wear it at all times because the few and far times that it
happens, it's rare and chances are it's not gonna be you.

Grace
who gets ****ed over kidlets using that argument as well.

You're preaching to the choir about seat belts when you talk to me. I
got into the habit of wearing one before they became mandatory here.
Now, when I ride on a bus or train, I feel slightly uncomfortable
because there is no seat belt.

--
Joy

"You can never do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it
will be too late." _Ralph Waldo Emerson


"Hopitus2" wrote in message
...
I believe your assumption re "stopping the bleeding" as #1 priority at
the
time of crisis is correct. Interesting fact: the ER I work in "can't
handle
heavy-duty trauma"! It's a "heart center" (which is what saved my life
in
July when I had that heart attack while working there!).....we do get
some
"fender benders" accident folks, but nothing like what rolled in in
"the Big
Red Bus" at a Class 1 Trauma Center I worked at for several years, but
because it was a terribly long commute there, moved employment to my
present
ER.
Did not mean to nag re the seatbelts; not your concern anyway; but one
thing
about wearing them bums me terribly: young people seize on and
remember the
few accidents where, like your young man, being "buckled in" would
have
caused him to die instantly (or drown underwater, etc.).......when in
reality the vast majority of non-seatbelt-wearing accident victims are
thrown out or PARTLY (there is a reason for the capitals) thrown out
by
forces in motion when vehicles overturn. These are the accidents that
"don't
make it" to *any* ER -that we hear the paramedics talking about after
they
had gone to the scene, only to be useless in saving anyone's life.
Their
nerves are bad and they have to vent about it and because of that, we
don't
mind their venting the gruesome details they saw..I've listened to
this for
almost 30 years now. What bums me is young people don't have a clue
that
they will be helpless *moving* objects without that belt in an
accident!
Boring rpca friends - sorry -
if anyone has learned anything they might think about from the above,
I'll
take your ire and annoyance happily. Purrs from south FL for all rpca
friends continued safety while driving.
As I said, Gracie, the young man AFAIK is under the best of care where
he is
now.


"GracecatOnl" wrote in message
...
: Subject: Accident update #2 -another long one
: From: "Hopitus2"
: Date: 11/18/03 10:39 PM Central Standard Time
: Message-id:
:
: Very good news, and just about what I expected to hear from Tulane
U.
: hospital. - with the exception of the "non-wound-cleaning"; I would
think
: your local did the best they could with the wounds cleaning but
obviously
: there was stuff imbedded in there that could not be seen except by
xrays -
:
: That's why I wondered about it Hop. They took CT scans even after
they
were
: pretty sure there were no head/neck injuries. So I assumed they'd
take an
: MRI/CT of the main injuries and noticed this? And it could be they
were
: concerned only with stopping the bleeding long enough to get him
either to
LSU
: med center or Tulane. If they continued to dig and pick at the
debris, it
might
: further the damage and they couldn't stop it at all. I don't like to
complain
: about hospitals because you have the same caring staff everywhere.
It's
just..
: frustrating when we don't have what we need in every ER.
:
: I learned a bit about our two hospitals in the Alexandria, Louisian
region. My
: kidlet's daycare is owned operated and staffed by three RNs. One
explained
that
: neither of our hospitals is adapt at trauma support. That's less
than
great
: news no doubt and that it's very routine to send patients to other
hospitals.
: Makes a person wonder just how many hospitals are out there that
can't
handle
: severe trauma.
:
: I don't know how you can do it Hopitus. I honestly haven't a clue. I
didn't
: stay at the hospital long, his family was coming in in droves and my
family is
: just very close friends. But from the 20 minutes I was there, I
determined
: there's no way in hell I could watch the devastation on a daily
basis. And
I
: think I'd have to turn in my little old badge after the first 2am
parental
: visit. You and Dave G, and everyone else has my prayers on a daily
basis
now.
:
:

Many many good vibes, prayers & purrs for a full and swift recovery

helen s
Waffles, Francis and Marble
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This sounds extremely promising, I'm so happy for him, his family and
friends.
Lots of extra-strong purrs and best wishes for things to continue to go
well,
--
Polonca & Soncek

"GracecatOnl" wrote in message
...
He's out of surgery, the bleeding has stopped but he remains in critical
condition at Tulane.
snip

A few months ago I rode on a bus that had seat belts and even though that
was the first and the only time that happened, maybe in future more buses
and trains will be having seat belts.
--
Polonca who believes in wearing seat belts & Soncek

"Yoj" wrote in message
news
You're preaching to the choir about seat belts when you talk to me. I
got into the habit of wearing one before they became mandatory here.
Now, when I ride on a bus or train, I feel slightly uncomfortable
because there is no seat belt.

--
Joy

"You can never do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it
will be too late." _Ralph Waldo Emerson


"Hopitus2" wrote in message
...
I believe your assumption re "stopping the bleeding" as #1 priority at
the
time of crisis is correct. Interesting fact: the ER I work in "can't
handle
heavy-duty trauma"! It's a "heart center" (which is what saved my life
in
July when I had that heart attack while working there!).....we do get
some
"fender benders" accident folks, but nothing like what rolled in in
"the Big
Red Bus" at a Class 1 Trauma Center I worked at for several years, but
because it was a terribly long commute there, moved employment to my
present
ER.
Did not mean to nag re the seatbelts; not your concern anyway; but one
thing
about wearing them bums me terribly: young people seize on and
remember the
few accidents where, like your young man, being "buckled in" would
have
caused him to die instantly (or drown underwater, etc.).......when in
reality the vast majority of non-seatbelt-wearing accident victims are
thrown out or PARTLY (there is a reason for the capitals) thrown out
by
forces in motion when vehicles overturn. These are the accidents that
"don't
make it" to *any* ER -that we hear the paramedics talking about after
they
had gone to the scene, only to be useless in saving anyone's life.
Their
nerves are bad and they have to vent about it and because of that, we
don't
mind their venting the gruesome details they saw..I've listened to
this for
almost 30 years now. What bums me is young people don't have a clue
that
they will be helpless *moving* objects without that belt in an
accident!
Boring rpca friends - sorry -
if anyone has learned anything they might think about from the above,
I'll
take your ire and annoyance happily. Purrs from south FL for all rpca
friends continued safety while driving.
As I said, Gracie, the young man AFAIK is under the best of care where
he is
now.


"GracecatOnl" wrote in message
...
: Subject: Accident update #2 -another long one
: From: "Hopitus2"
: Date: 11/18/03 10:39 PM Central Standard Time
: Message-id:
:
: Very good news, and just about what I expected to hear from Tulane
U.
: hospital. - with the exception of the "non-wound-cleaning"; I would
think
: your local did the best they could with the wounds cleaning but
obviously
: there was stuff imbedded in there that could not be seen except by
xrays -
:
: That's why I wondered about it Hop. They took CT scans even after
they
were
: pretty sure there were no head/neck injuries. So I assumed they'd
take an
: MRI/CT of the main injuries and noticed this? And it could be they
were
: concerned only with stopping the bleeding long enough to get him
either to
LSU
: med center or Tulane. If they continued to dig and pick at the
debris, it
might
: further the damage and they couldn't stop it at all. I don't like to
complain
: about hospitals because you have the same caring staff everywhere.
It's
just..
: frustrating when we don't have what we need in every ER.
:
: I learned a bit about our two hospitals in the Alexandria, Louisian
region. My
: kidlet's daycare is owned operated and staffed by three RNs. One
explained
that
: neither of our hospitals is adapt at trauma support. That's less
than
great
: news no doubt and that it's very routine to send patients to other
hospitals.
: Makes a person wonder just how many hospitals are out there that
can't
handle
: severe trauma.
:
: I don't know how you can do it Hopitus. I honestly haven't a clue. I
didn't
: stay at the hospital long, his family was coming in in droves and my
family is
: just very close friends. But from the 20 minutes I was there, I
determined
: there's no way in hell I could watch the devastation on a daily
basis. And
I
: think I'd have to turn in my little old badge after the first 2am
parental
: visit. You and Dave G, and everyone else has my prayers on a daily
basis
now.
:
: