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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:vIf9b.4794$v%5.3329@fed1read02... Nobody mentioned slavery or the whole race issue but you seem to want to take things out of context and turn it into something about you. Are you offended by my having a black cat? The whole post was humorous and that was all it was. It seems to me you want to take something that isn't there and make a whole issue out of it. You need to learn to relax here and maybe laugh a little. As for discimination, I have faced it but I also know when some things were meant as a joke. The original posting that I made was meant for humor. It seems most here got that but you insist it was nothing more than a ruthless attempt to pick on Pagans (which were never even picked on nor brought up until you mentioned them). Nobody was picking on the Pagans here so you need to learn to lighten up. There is also a not anti-Pagan campaign here either but you seem to want fight something that isn't there. Personally, I got nothing against them. No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what? not funny? Of course here is something that may shock and upset you. I have a black cat and I consider all black cats as being a symbol of good luck. BTW, I have known those who practice both Paganism and Wicca and am well versed on what the pentagram symbolizes but satanists also seem to use it as a symbol. First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth. Secondly, you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the pentagram they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the same as the star of David either in case that alluded you. One thing I know for sure is that most of those practictioners have a sense of humor and have laughed at some of the jokes. Why? Because they are human and are quite confident in themselves and their practice. They also try to spread postive and not negative. Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't think you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination because some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky. And when faced with negative they try to turn it into positive. You can try to turn this into a flame war if you want to but no ill will was meant here. It was humor. Nothing more and nothing less. What does W.A.R.D. supposed mean anyway? Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task. BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and assumed that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol. The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes". If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm. AG |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:vIf9b.4794$v%5.3329@fed1read02... Nobody mentioned slavery or the whole race issue but you seem to want to take things out of context and turn it into something about you. Are you offended by my having a black cat? The whole post was humorous and that was all it was. It seems to me you want to take something that isn't there and make a whole issue out of it. You need to learn to relax here and maybe laugh a little. As for discimination, I have faced it but I also know when some things were meant as a joke. The original posting that I made was meant for humor. It seems most here got that but you insist it was nothing more than a ruthless attempt to pick on Pagans (which were never even picked on nor brought up until you mentioned them). Nobody was picking on the Pagans here so you need to learn to lighten up. There is also a not anti-Pagan campaign here either but you seem to want fight something that isn't there. Personally, I got nothing against them. No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what? not funny? Of course here is something that may shock and upset you. I have a black cat and I consider all black cats as being a symbol of good luck. BTW, I have known those who practice both Paganism and Wicca and am well versed on what the pentagram symbolizes but satanists also seem to use it as a symbol. First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth. Secondly, you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the pentagram they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the same as the star of David either in case that alluded you. One thing I know for sure is that most of those practictioners have a sense of humor and have laughed at some of the jokes. Why? Because they are human and are quite confident in themselves and their practice. They also try to spread postive and not negative. Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't think you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination because some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky. And when faced with negative they try to turn it into positive. You can try to turn this into a flame war if you want to but no ill will was meant here. It was humor. Nothing more and nothing less. What does W.A.R.D. supposed mean anyway? Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task. BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and assumed that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol. The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes". If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm. AG |
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Ok Agua Girl, I am under the impression you simply do not have a sense of
humor. I did not promote Pagans at all anyway. You seem to want to make more of this than is there. If any Pagans here were offended then I apologize but still it was meant as humor. As for buying a pentagram and wearing it around my neck, I am afraid it wouldn't look as good as a tattoo of one of my cats on me. As for losing a job and a landlord not renewing your lease simply because you are wearing a pentagram seems like nonsense to me. You can't blame life's misfortunes on that. When I was younger our house was toilet papered but you didn't see my cry about it. In my last apartment it was egged by kids who were trouble for the whole complex. I didn't cry about it then either. They ended up getting kicked out of their apartment. Typical life stuff that happens. You say I am not funny but of course you seem to be showing a lack of sense of humor and trying to lable me as ignorant or a bad person. Is it a part of your religion or practice to pass judgment on others? I bet if someone said they worshipped cats you'd find a problem with that, right? -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... You promoted it. Maybe you should re-read your post. Better yet, buy a pentagram and wear it around your neck for a week or two and watch the reactions. When you lose your job, when your landlord decides not to renew your lease, when your neighbors egg your house... then tell me how funny you find your comments. No..none of those things have happened to me but they are actual cases of religious discriminations all because someone was ignorant about what that symbol means...and your "humor" perpetuates that kind of ignorance. You can get all defensive and blame my lack of "humor" or you can get educated..your choice. BTW, I have a very good sense of humor...you just aren't funny. AG |
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Ok Agua Girl, I am under the impression you simply do not have a sense of
humor. I did not promote Pagans at all anyway. You seem to want to make more of this than is there. If any Pagans here were offended then I apologize but still it was meant as humor. As for buying a pentagram and wearing it around my neck, I am afraid it wouldn't look as good as a tattoo of one of my cats on me. As for losing a job and a landlord not renewing your lease simply because you are wearing a pentagram seems like nonsense to me. You can't blame life's misfortunes on that. When I was younger our house was toilet papered but you didn't see my cry about it. In my last apartment it was egged by kids who were trouble for the whole complex. I didn't cry about it then either. They ended up getting kicked out of their apartment. Typical life stuff that happens. You say I am not funny but of course you seem to be showing a lack of sense of humor and trying to lable me as ignorant or a bad person. Is it a part of your religion or practice to pass judgment on others? I bet if someone said they worshipped cats you'd find a problem with that, right? -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... You promoted it. Maybe you should re-read your post. Better yet, buy a pentagram and wear it around your neck for a week or two and watch the reactions. When you lose your job, when your landlord decides not to renew your lease, when your neighbors egg your house... then tell me how funny you find your comments. No..none of those things have happened to me but they are actual cases of religious discriminations all because someone was ignorant about what that symbol means...and your "humor" perpetuates that kind of ignorance. You can get all defensive and blame my lack of "humor" or you can get educated..your choice. BTW, I have a very good sense of humor...you just aren't funny. AG |
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Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel
that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what? not funny? First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth. Secondly, you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the pentagram they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the same as the star of David either in case that alluded you. Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't think you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination because some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky. Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task. BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and assumed that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol. The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes". If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm. AG |
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Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel
that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Agua Girl" wrote in message ... No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what? not funny? First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth. Secondly, you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the pentagram they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the same as the star of David either in case that alluded you. Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't think you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination because some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky. Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task. BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover and servent to two cats. Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and assumed that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol. The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes". If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm. AG |
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I am not a fan of Jehovah's Witnesses since they make it a point to come to your house to quote the bible when you clearly did not ask them to. Here are a some excuses or questions one can use to get rid of them. I have had problems with them also, and some (not all) of them just don't want to take no for an answer. My mother had one come to her door years ago and when she said "no thank you" and tried to close the door he stuck his foot in the door, and prevented her from closing it. Unfortunately for him the dog we had at the time didn't like that move and promptly grabbed hold of his shoe and held on! (60 lbs. of dog). As soon as my mother told him to let go he did and the man quickly withdrew his foot. LOL Also I had a male coworker who told me this story: A couple of them came to his door just after he got out of the shower, he was only wearing a towel. He told them that he was very interested in what they had to say and asked if they would please come back later so they could talk to both HIM and his HUSBAND!! They just started at him with open mouths and then turned and walked away quickly. Luckily we live well off the beaten path and have only had them show up here twice in 15 years. One group left with no problem, but the other bunch tried harder and didn't want to give it up and had to be "run" off with a threat of our dogs being let out of the house. (3 large ones that met them at the door that would have licked them to death but LOL they didn't know that). Nadine |
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CP wrote:
I am not a fan of Jehovah's Witnesses since they make it a point to come to your house to quote the bible when you clearly did not ask them to. Here are a some excuses or questions one can use to get rid of them. I have had problems with them also, and some (not all) of them just don't want to take no for an answer. My mother had one come to her door years ago and when she said "no thank you" and tried to close the door he stuck his foot in the door, and prevented her from closing it. Unfortunately for him the dog we had at the time didn't like that move and promptly grabbed hold of his shoe and held on! (60 lbs. of dog). As soon as my mother told him to let go he did and the man quickly withdrew his foot. LOL Also I had a male coworker who told me this story: A couple of them came to his door just after he got out of the shower, he was only wearing a towel. He told them that he was very interested in what they had to say and asked if they would please come back later so they could talk to both HIM and his HUSBAND!! They just started at him with open mouths and then turned and walked away quickly. Luckily we live well off the beaten path and have only had them show up here twice in 15 years. One group left with no problem, but the other bunch tried harder and didn't want to give it up and had to be "run" off with a threat of our dogs being let out of the house. (3 large ones that met them at the door that would have licked them to death but LOL they didn't know that). Nadine |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:fpg9b.4798$v%5.3384@fed1read02... Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant..we can't all know everything. The problem is with allowing ignorance to continue. I don't have a cross to bear....but you do. (btw..you missed the point of that completely) You seem to think that continuing to spread ignorance through what you see as harmless jokes should be fine. I offered you the chance to right a wrong..to stop spreading myths and you got offended. I suggested you get informed..and you got indignant. Go to a website on paganism and look at their pentacle or pentagram than go to a devil worship site and look at theirs. They aren't the same. The reason I brought up the star of David is because it also looks similar..but it isn't. You don't want to accept the truth of your ignorance or lack of knowledge and that shows more than ignorance.... I thought at first no harm was intended...and my response was to let you know that religious persecution does indeed exist. People really do lose their jobs and their apartments for NO REASON other than their religious leanings. That spreading myths does indeed harm no matter what the intent. When someone says "ow, your standing on my foot"..the proper response is to apologize and back up. Not explain how you didn't mean to...blame the person for lacking hard feet and then go on complaining about how everyone has big feet. (that was a metaphor for stepping on my religion in case you didn't get it). Whatever. You obviously don't care to correct your lack of knowledge or even accept that your "jokes" are spreading a myth that to this day is harmful. I shudder to think what else you find funny. To that end... I am done. You can't inform those that bask in their ignorance and wear stupidity like a cloak. plonk AG |
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message news:fpg9b.4798$v%5.3384@fed1read02... Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant..we can't all know everything. The problem is with allowing ignorance to continue. I don't have a cross to bear....but you do. (btw..you missed the point of that completely) You seem to think that continuing to spread ignorance through what you see as harmless jokes should be fine. I offered you the chance to right a wrong..to stop spreading myths and you got offended. I suggested you get informed..and you got indignant. Go to a website on paganism and look at their pentacle or pentagram than go to a devil worship site and look at theirs. They aren't the same. The reason I brought up the star of David is because it also looks similar..but it isn't. You don't want to accept the truth of your ignorance or lack of knowledge and that shows more than ignorance.... I thought at first no harm was intended...and my response was to let you know that religious persecution does indeed exist. People really do lose their jobs and their apartments for NO REASON other than their religious leanings. That spreading myths does indeed harm no matter what the intent. When someone says "ow, your standing on my foot"..the proper response is to apologize and back up. Not explain how you didn't mean to...blame the person for lacking hard feet and then go on complaining about how everyone has big feet. (that was a metaphor for stepping on my religion in case you didn't get it). Whatever. You obviously don't care to correct your lack of knowledge or even accept that your "jokes" are spreading a myth that to this day is harmful. I shudder to think what else you find funny. To that end... I am done. You can't inform those that bask in their ignorance and wear stupidity like a cloak. plonk AG |
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