Update on Blocked Cat

On 17 May 2005 11:39:37 -0700, wrote:


John Ross Mc Master wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:55:33 -0400, "Phil P."
wrote:


"John Ross Mc Master" wrote in message

The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle
ash
(magnesium and the like) in food.

There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral
content-
not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed Analysis
and not
in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an aliquot
of the
diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is
actually all
the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of
the
mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash'
analysis
does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet.

Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine pH
of 6.1
or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium in
the
diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH rises
above
6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium
content
determines *how much* struvite will form.

Phil

My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food for
a
male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll
trust the vet and not you.

Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't
make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're
automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health.
Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets
are very knowledgeable livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some
don't know squat **** about nutrition.
Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my
cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow
vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat. I
actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another
vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit
than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before.
You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as
the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR
vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research
YOURSELF.
Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you
blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I
think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit.

Sherry

Sherry.....that would normally be pretty solid advice but maybe you
didn't notice you are talking about Fill here.....problem with Fill is
that he is the most close minded person I have ever had the pleasure
to meet.....its his way or no way.......I don't find a lot of
intelligent people as foul mouthed as he is.....which is a definite
lack of character signal for certain.......He has himself so high on
that pedestal he built for himself he will never be able to get
down.......

Brad

LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A
WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT,
SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"

"Brad" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:06:55 -0400, "Mary" wrote:





Just goes to show you that anyone, even a flaming asshole, can
have a decent sig.



Mary........Mary Mary........is that any way to treat someone you are
having a relationship with.......


Who the hell would want to have a relationship with a disgusting, filthy,
skid-row degenerate like you? Maybe only a woman who had no olfactory
bulb! ROTFL!

"Brad" wrote in message
...
On 17 May 2005 11:39:37 -0700, wrote:


John Ross Mc Master wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:55:33 -0400, "Phil P."
wrote:


"John Ross Mc Master" wrote in message

The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle
ash
(magnesium and the like) in food.

There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral
content-
not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed Analysis
and not
in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an aliquot
of the
diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is
actually all
the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of
the
mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash'
analysis
does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet.

Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine pH
of 6.1
or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium in
the
diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH rises
above
6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium
content
determines *how much* struvite will form.

Phil

My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food for
a
male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll
trust the vet and not you.

Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't
make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're
automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health.
Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets
are very knowledgeable livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some
don't know squat **** about nutrition.
Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my
cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow
vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat. I
actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another
vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit
than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before.
You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as
the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR
vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research
YOURSELF.
Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you
blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I
think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit.

Sherry

Sherry.....that would normally be pretty solid advice but maybe you
didn't notice you are talking about Fill here.....problem with Fill is
that he is the most close minded person I have ever had the pleasure
to meet.....its his way or no way.......

Awww- you're just saying that because you're a filthy moron. What happened,
Brat? You still have written that page about how much better dry food is
than canned food! LOL! What's the matter, moron, can't walk it like you
talk it?



I don't find a lot of
intelligent people

That's because most intelligent people avoid morons like you- unless they
want to have some fun! LOL! I'd bet you're the life of a party-- as long as
its outside and you're downwind.


as foul mouthed as he is.....which is a definite
lack of character


Oh yeah--- spraying your dirty clothes with Fabreeze instead of washing them
is a sure sign of character, you skid-row degenerate! I'd bet your breath
peels paint at 100 yards! ROTFL!

"Phil P." wrote in message
ink.net...

"Brad" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:06:55 -0400, "Mary" wrote:





Just goes to show you that anyone, even a flaming asshole, can
have a decent sig.



Mary........Mary Mary........is that any way to treat someone you are
having a relationship with.......


Who the hell would want to have a relationship with a disgusting, filthy,
skid-row degenerate like you? Maybe only a woman who had no olfactory
bulb! ROTFL!



Yet another excellent point, Phil.

"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Brad" wrote in message
...
On 17 May 2005 11:39:37 -0700, wrote:


John Ross Mc Master wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:55:33 -0400, "Phil P."
wrote:


"John Ross Mc Master" wrote in message

The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle
ash
(magnesium and the like) in food.

There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral
content-
not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed Analysis
and not
in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an aliquot
of the
diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is
actually all
the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of
the
mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash'
analysis
does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet.

Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine pH
of 6.1
or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium in
the
diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH rises
above
6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium
content
determines *how much* struvite will form.

Phil

My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food for
a
male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll
trust the vet and not you.

Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't
make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're
automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health.
Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets
are very knowledgeable livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some
don't know squat **** about nutrition.
Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my
cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow
vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat. I
actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another
vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit
than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before.
You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as
the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR
vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research
YOURSELF.
Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you
blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I
think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit.

Sherry

Sherry.....that would normally be pretty solid advice but maybe you
didn't notice you are talking about Fill here.....problem with Fill is
that he is the most close minded person I have ever had the pleasure
to meet.....its his way or no way.......

Awww- you're just saying that because you're a filthy moron. What
happened,
Brat? You still have written that page about how much better dry food is
than canned food! LOL! What's the matter, moron, can't walk it like you
talk it?



I don't find a lot of
intelligent people

That's because most intelligent people avoid morons like you- unless they
want to have some fun! LOL! I'd bet you're the life of a party-- as long
as
its outside and you're downwind.


as foul mouthed as he is.....which is a definite
lack of character


Oh yeah--- spraying your dirty clothes with Fabreeze instead of washing
them
is a sure sign of character, you skid-row degenerate! I'd bet your breath
peels paint at 100 yards! ROTFL!



And he is still waiting for his breeder cat.

"Mary" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Brad" wrote in message
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On 17 May 2005 11:39:37 -0700, wrote:


John Ross Mc Master wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:55:33 -0400, "Phil P."
wrote:


"John Ross Mc Master" wrote in message

The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle
ash
(magnesium and the like) in food.

There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral
content-
not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed
Analysis
and not
in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an
aliquot
of the
diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is
actually all
the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of
the
mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash'
analysis
does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet.

Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine
pH
of 6.1
or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium
in
the
diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH
rises
above
6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium
content
determines *how much* struvite will form.

Phil

My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food
for
a
male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll
trust the vet and not you.

Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't
make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're
automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health.
Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets
are very knowledgeable livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some
don't know squat **** about nutrition.
Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my
cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow
vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat.
I
actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another
vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit
than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before.
You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as
the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR
vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research
YOURSELF.
Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you
blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I
think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit.

Sherry

Sherry.....that would normally be pretty solid advice but maybe you
didn't notice you are talking about Fill here.....problem with Fill is
that he is the most close minded person I have ever had the pleasure
to meet.....its his way or no way.......

Awww- you're just saying that because you're a filthy moron. What
happened,
Brat? You still have written that page about how much better dry food
is
than canned food! LOL! What's the matter, moron, can't walk it like
you
talk it?



I don't find a lot of
intelligent people

That's because most intelligent people avoid morons like you- unless
they
want to have some fun! LOL! I'd bet you're the life of a party-- as
long
as
its outside and you're downwind.


as foul mouthed as he is.....which is a definite
lack of character


Oh yeah--- spraying your dirty clothes with Fabreeze instead of washing
them
is a sure sign of character, you skid-row degenerate! I'd bet your
breath
peels paint at 100 yards! ROTFL!



And he is still waiting for his breeder cat.


He thinks a purebred cat will enhance his social image... when in reality,
he'll diminish the cat's image!

The skid is paying for the cat with all the money he saved on soap, water
and electricity.

Cats have 10 million more cells in their olfactory bulbs than humans ... The
poor cat! ;-(

I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead.

wrote:
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:55:33 -0400, "Phil P."
wrote:


"John Ross Mc Master" wrote in message

The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle
ash
(magnesium and the like) in food.

There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral
content-
not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed
Analysis
and not
in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an
aliquot
of the
diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is
actually all
the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of
the
mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash'
analysis
does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet.

Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine
pH
of 6.1
or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium
in
the
diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH
rises
above
6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium
content
determines *how much* struvite will form.

Phil

My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food
for
a
male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll
trust the vet and not you.

Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't
make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're
automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health.
Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets
are very knowledgeable livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some
don't know squat **** about nutrition.
Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my
cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow
vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat.
I
actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another
vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit
than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before.
You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as
the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR
vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research
YOURSELF.
Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you
blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I
think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit.

Sherry

"Ray" wrote in message
ups.com...
I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead.

Lets have some specifics, Ray. Or direct us to the thread, then tell us what
happened when you followed Phil's advice. Are you saying, as you seem to be,
that you think it was Phil's advice that resulted in the death of your cat?

If this is true, you owe it to everyone here to tell us the specifics. Phil
would certainly want to know if he recommended the wrong thing to you, as
dedicated as he is to the welfare of cats.




wrote:
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 18:55:33 -0400, "Phil P."
wrote:


"John Ross Mc Master" wrote in message

The cause of the blockage is the cat's body's inabilty to handle
ash
(magnesium and the like) in food.

There is no 'ash' in cat food- 'ash' is an analysis of the mineral
content-
not an ingredient- that's why its listed in the Guaranteed
Analysis
and not
in the ingredients list. "Ash" is determined by burning an
aliquot
of the
diet for 2 hours at 600*C and weighing the residue. "Ash" is
actually all
the noncombustible components of the diet- which includes most of
the
mineral content- without regard to any specific element. The 'ash'
analysis
does not correlate to the magnesium content of the diet.

Also, struvite is a function of urine pH not magnesium. At urine
pH
of 6.1
or less struvite won't form regardless of the amount of magnesium
in
the
diet. Magnesium content becomes important only when urine pH
rises
above
6.2. Urine pH determines *if* struvite will form; the magnesium
content
determines *how much* struvite will form.

Phil

My vet once told me to get low ash magnesium restricted cat food
for
a
male cat who had a urinary tract blockage operation. I think I'll
trust the vet and not you.

Coming in late on this thread--but I just wanted to say, please don't
make the same mistake I did, in thinking "DVM" means they're
automatically the all-knowing, failproof savior of your cat's health.
Vets make mistakes. And there are good vets, and bad vets. Some vets
are very knowledgeable livestock, dogs, but not cats. And some
don't know squat **** about nutrition.
Cropping a long story short that I've told too many times already, my
cat would have died if it hadn't been for Phil convincing me the "cow
vet" (that's one of the nicer adjectives he used) was killing my cat.
I
actually printed out the e-mails Phil sent, and took them to another
vet to see what he'd say. I actually learned more in that vet visit
than I ever had. I was too passive about the cat's care before.
You don't have to take Phil's word, or Megan's, or anybody's here, as
the gospel either. But use it to arm yourself with questions for YOUR
vet. Take the knowledge you can glean here, and further research
YOURSELF.
Don't be so close-minded about anonymous laymen cat people that you
blow off what he's saying. Try to *prove* him wrong by research. I
think you'll be surprised, and your cat will benefit.

Sherry

"Ray" wrote in message
ups.com...
I took Phil's advice regarding my cat's diet and now she's dead.


I notice your IP resolves to a Lexington Mass. provider. Now who do we know
in Massachusetts?

Ray sounds like a troll to me.


---MIKE---
In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
(44=B0 15' N - Elevation 1580')