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Yeah, NS. It amazing how "honorable" all these people are who breed,
yet the shelters are full of purebreds... -L. |
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On 21 Dec 2004 16:45:31 -0800, "-L." wrote:
Yeah, NS. It amazing how "honorable" all these people are who breed, yet the shelters are full of purebreds... Full of? You have got to be joking. Or are you saying that anything that has points is a purebred Siamese? Or a long-haird brown tabby is a Maine Coon? Or a cat with a spot anywhere on it's body is a Bengal? If those are your requirements, then yes, the shelters are full of purebreds. If not, the purebred cat population makes up around six percent of the population of owned cats and only 3.8 percent of the entire known population of cats. Roaming, free breeding cats, on the other hand, make up well over a third of the known cat population. IMO, it's pretty easy to see where the problem is. Ob OP - Deliberately breeding mixed-breed cats (which a Himmie/Siamese cross would be, as neither breed has acceptable outcrosses at this time) is a bad idea. Not only would a responsible breeder refuse to have their cats involved in such a thing, but it's generally a bad idea. Unless you are willing to do all the prerequisite (and expensive) genetic health testing (FHD, PKD, and HCM on the Himmie side and pateller luxation, HCM, and nystigma on the Siamese side) you'd be extrordinarily irresponsible instead of merely irresponsible. And keep in mind that a Himmie/Siamese cross wouldn't necessarily have all the best qualties of both -- the genetics of temperament are exceedingly poorly understood at this point. People can say 'Siamese are talkative and loyal' and 'Persians (which Himmies are classified as) are gentle and docile' because these traits have been selected for over decades of controlled breeding. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid |
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Where are you getting your statistics? When I worked at the HS in
Indianapolis, the purebred animal rate ran around 12.5% Not all were papered, some were, but all were, for all intents and purposes, purebred. Not a pointed cat being a Siamese per your example, but a pointed cat with Siamese confirmation being a Siamese, especially if surrendered as a purebred. I hate to be the one to tell you but not all purebred kittens are S/N and not all stay in their "loving, forever homes". Breed rescue exists for a reason, and many times they are so overun with purebreds rescued from shelters that other purebreds in the shelters are euthanized along with the moggies. I don't believe for a minute that anyone can come up with meaningful statistics on feral cat populations and how they contribute to the overpopulation problem. Furthermore *every* cat that ends up at a shelter contributes to the problem. Random-bred, "purebred", all of them. It's exactly this "it's not my problem" attitude that breeders have which results in kittens and cats on the dead pile. I've called more than one "respected" breeder about one of their animals being surrendered and the answer has been on more than one occasion, to kill the cat if a home wasn't found. Bile-producing scum, they are. -L. |
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Honestly, it really saddens me to see people attributing the qualities
in a cat they admired to it's breed. They're all individual living creatures, and a great cat is just a great cat because THEY are - purebred or moggie (which is what Blue was, after all, part-siamese and part himalayan is simply not a purebred cat). There is absolutely no reason to believe that a similiar cross would have the same characteristics at all and most probably it wouldn't. We don't need to breed any more cats. What we need to do is find loving homes for all the other great moggies who don't have them. If you are interested in cats with these characteristics, then get involved in rescue. There's a literal armada of part-siamese and part-himalayan and part-persian cats, many of them beautiful and loving creatures, who need homes. Walk into any shelter and there they are. Help them! I'm sure that would be the best tribute to Blue you could possibly make and he'd definitely approve. |
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On 21 Dec 2004 22:25:52 -0800, "-L." wrote:
Where are you getting your statistics? http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html Fascinating read, btw. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid |
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Orchid wrote: On 21 Dec 2004 22:25:52 -0800, "-L." wrote: Where are you getting your statistics? http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html Fascinating read, btw. Fascinating bias. Nice plagiarism, btw, too. -L. |
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Possibly the best reply to this thread, yet.
-L. |
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"-L." wrote in message ps.com... Possibly the best reply to this thread, yet. -L. If anyone knew who you were replying to, I still wouldn't be interested in your opinion. |
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-L. wrote: Orchid wrote: On 21 Dec 2004 22:25:52 -0800, "-L." wrote: Where are you getting your statistics? http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html Fascinating read, btw. Fascinating bias. Nice plagiarism, btw, too. The site is operated by breeders, so they do have a vested interest in showing a certain picture of cat ownership. Then again, you aren't exactly being super-persuasive when your only rejoinder is 'nice bias'. What plagiarism? The article is referenced, although the citations are, for the most part, not complete. S. |
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Steve G wrote: -L. wrote: Orchid wrote: On 21 Dec 2004 22:25:52 -0800, "-L." wrote: Where are you getting your statistics? http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html Fascinating read, btw. Fascinating bias. Nice plagiarism, btw, too. The site is operated by breeders, so they do have a vested interest in showing a certain picture of cat ownership. Then again, you aren't exactly being super-persuasive when your only rejoinder is 'nice bias'. What plagiarism? Orchid took her statements almost word for word from the article including "it's pretty easy to see where the problem lies" or whatever bull**** line it was. If you're (generic) going to use a source so blatantly, cite it. Don't pass it off as your own unless someone asks. -L. |
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