Tom Cat won’t breed with in-season queen!??

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"CatNipped" wrote:

very
progbably contributing to that shelter population with his breeding
practices - all breeders do which is one of the reasons millions of healthy
cats are put to death every year in the US alone.

Really? Shelters are full of responsibly bred dogs and cats? Your
"data" seems non-existent. That's AR for ya. So sorry that it's alive
and thriving on ignorance.

To the OP - you need some closer mentors for advice. Public forums are
likely to bring some pretty harsh criticism. I have no way of knowing
how responsible a breeder you are. I support responsible breeding of
cats and dogs, and shun irresponsible breeding. I am confused by those
who actually support the irresponsible by not going after the real
problems, but bitch about purebred breeding instead.

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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Janet Boss wrote:

Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it does
for dogs.

It's a given that once they have their breeder pet they *won't* go to a shelter and save a
life.

-mhd

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-mhd wrote:


It's a given that once they have their breeder pet they *won't* go to a
shelter and save a
life.

What data is that?

First, you're assuming that someone who got a purebred cat intends to
breed it. There is not data to support that assumption.

Second, why wouldn't someone have a purebred animal and a
shelter/rescue/mixed breed animal? Why is that a "given"?

FTR - I currently have 1 cat (shelter mixed breed), 3 dogs - 1 shelter
mixed breed, 1 shelter/breed rescue poorly bred (pet shop) purebred, 1
purebred puppy (OMG - she's intact - run for the hills!). Apparently
your "given" isn't so given.

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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:59 -0500, CatNipped
wrote:

Yes! Why else get a cat that very probably will have severe health
problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a healthy moggie to die
in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows are just a
chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
then display their prizes to other snobs.

What about people who adopt purebreds *from* shelters?

I'm rescuing this handsome fellow:

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/dis...petid=11130804

who was left with the center after a breeder took ill and had to try
to place her cats in good homes. He's an F3 Bengal, so I couldn't
show him even if I wanted to. And the adoption center lady doesn't
even have his papers (though I'll admit I'm hoping she'll be able to
get them). (I'm heartened that the only health problem you could come
up with for them in your list was an eyelid condition. I'll be sure
to watch out for warning signs of that.) The adoption donation is a
little higher than the shelter moggie I'm simultaneously adopting to
keep him company, but it's going to help support other rescued cats
and dogs, and nowhere near what an equivalent animal might cost from a
breeder.

I'll admit to taking a certain amount of pride in his flashy
appearance, and I'll be happy to show him off to anyone who comes
over--not because he's "a purebred Bengal" but because he's such a
gorgeous creature. However the main reason I'm getting him is that I
just plain think Bengals are neat creatures. I wouldn't have a cat
with streamlined ears or a face that looks like it ran headlong into a
wall if *you* paid *me.* (Well, unless there were extenuating
circumstances like it being in serious need of a good home, and I had
space to offer and could afford the medical bills.)

Since there's no way I could seriously consider buying a Bengal at
breeder prices, I feel really lucky to be able to get him, and I'll be
loving both him and the moggie as members of my family, keeping me
company in my lonely apartment after my previous
rescued-from-the-street moggie died after five years, thank you very
much.

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"cybercat" wrote:


Do your own ****ing research.

Well, aren't you little Miss Sunshine?

I don't like breeders or people who defend breeding.
Asshole.

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Robotech_Master wrote:


Since there's no way I could seriously consider buying a Bengal at
breeder prices, I feel really lucky to be able to get him, and I'll be
loving both him and the moggie as members of my family, keeping me
company in my lonely apartment after my previous
rescued-from-the-street moggie died after five years, thank you very
much.

My cousin got a "second hand" Bengal and she's just a really cool cat.
I wish both your new additions the best of health and longevity!

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Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"CatNipped" wrote:


I don't buy it. My allergist told me I have the most severe allergies to
cats that he's ever seen. I love cats (all cats, not just somebody's
idea
of a "pretty" cat), so I take allergy pills every day.

You're a very small sample. How I wish that "allergy pills" did the
trick. I don't think you know enough about allergies and apparently you
wouldn't dream of being friendly to someone who chose a purebred cat, so
I guess any success stories with Siberians vs other cats wouldn't be
something you're ever likely to believe.



Lastly, where are the [actual] statistics that say that if someone
cannot purchases a purebred kitten, that they'll adopt a shelter cat
instead? That argument doesn't hold water for cats anymore than it
does
for dogs.

I really *hope* they don't. Someone who wants a pure-bred cat is not, in
my
opinion, fit to own the epitome of predatory perfect that is a moggie.

Ah yes - I called that right in my answer, above. Wow.

If
they are so worried that their cat doesn't match their furniture that
they
refuse to accept a moggie in their life, all moggies are better off
because
of it!

Nothing to do with matching furniture. You are fulfilling a horrid AR
agenda here. I find that so disappointing. Real facts, real concerns
and real action are so much better than hysteria and banning.

You're so full of ****. Your allergies "cannot be controlled" with
medication simply because it suits your pro-breeding agenda.

You see animals as objects with which you imagine you may elevate your
social status. You should not even bother to try, because everyone can *see*
what you are. Pathetic.

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

very
progbably contributing to that shelter population with his breeding
practices - all breeders do which is one of the reasons millions of
healthy
cats are put to death every year in the US alone.

Really? Shelters are full of responsibly bred dogs and cats? Your
"data" seems non-existent. That's AR for ya. So sorry that it's alive
and thriving on ignorance.

To the OP - you need some closer mentors for advice. Public forums are
likely to bring some pretty harsh criticism. I have no way of knowing
how responsible a breeder you are. I support responsible breeding of
cats and dogs, and shun irresponsible breeding. I am confused by those
who actually support the irresponsible by not going after the real
problems, but bitch about purebred breeding instead.

--
It is my understanding that there are a few folks who have problems with
the way you treat dogs, too.

"Robotech_Master" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:59 -0500, CatNipped
wrote:

Yes! Why else get a cat that very probably will have severe health
problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a healthy moggie to die
in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows are just a
chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
then display their prizes to other snobs.

What about people who adopt purebreds *from* shelters?

I'm rescuing this handsome fellow:

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/dis...petid=11130804


He's beautiful, and I'm glad you're giving him a home. They are really a
handful,
though, and there are plenty of people who are not sure they should ever
have
been bred for domestic pets. I'm sure you've done your research. There is
ample evidence of what can happen when you take on a Bengal, in the
google archives for this group.

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"cybercat" wrote:

They are really a
handful,
though, and there are plenty of people who are not sure they should ever
have
been bred for domestic pets. I'm sure you've done your research. There is
ample evidence of what can happen when you take on a Bengal, in the
google archives for this group.

On one hand, purebred cats are no different than mixed breed cats,
personality wise, but now all Bengals are difficult? Make up your mind!

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Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com