Tom Cat won’t breed with in-season queen!??

"Robotech_Master" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:52:59 -0500, CatNipped
wrote:

Yes! Why else get a cat that very probably will have severe health
problems, pay a fortune for it, and allow a healthy moggie to die
in a shelter rather than adopt it instead? Cat shows are just a
chance snobs to show off those status symbols to other snobs and
then display their prizes to other snobs.

What about people who adopt purebreds *from* shelters?

Obviously, that's a different story altogether. Not only are you not
supporting breeders you are saving a cat from euthansia and helping reduce
the overpopulation of the shelter so they'll have room for another waif.


I'm rescuing this handsome fellow:

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/dis...petid=11130804

Oh wow, he's gorgeous!

Bengals are a fairly "new" breed (they're not even listed yet on the "Cat
Fanciers Association's" web page) so they have the fewest list of genetic
defects (but give breeders time and that will change - SIGH) - and the one
it is prone to, entropion, is not usually life threatening:

Entropion is an inward rolling of the eyelid edges. It is an uncommon
problem in the cat, but when it does occur it usually affects the lower
eyelids.

Unlike the dog, inherited entropion of a young animal is uncommon in the
cat. Occasionally inherited entropion of the lower lid is present in
purebred cats that have short, round faces, such as the Persian and Burmese.

Entropion in the cat is more likely to develop later in life secondary to
other changes around the eye. One of the more common causes is spasm of the
eyelid that occurs from the pain associated with corneal ulceration. In
adults cats that acquire entropion, infections and inflammation with feline
herpesvirus have been incriminated as a precipitating causes of this
problem.

Secondary entropion may also occur when the eye itself moves backwards into
the orbit (enophthalmos), or when the eye becomes shrunken following a
severe injury or infection.


who was left with the center after a breeder took ill and had to try
to place her cats in good homes. He's an F3 Bengal, so I couldn't
show him even if I wanted to. And the adoption center lady doesn't
even have his papers (though I'll admit I'm hoping she'll be able to
get them). (I'm heartened that the only health problem you could come
up with for them in your list was an eyelid condition. I'll be sure
to watch out for warning signs of that.) The adoption donation is a
little higher than the shelter moggie I'm simultaneously adopting to
keep him company, but it's going to help support other rescued cats
and dogs, and nowhere near what an equivalent animal might cost from a
breeder.

Always a good thing - bless you! There are so many breeders who routinely
euthanize kittens with "undesirable" characteristics. Breed rescues tries
to save kittens from that fate.


I'll admit to taking a certain amount of pride in his flashy
appearance, and I'll be happy to show him off to anyone who comes
over--not because he's "a purebred Bengal" but because he's such a
gorgeous creature. However the main reason I'm getting him is that I
just plain think Bengals are neat creatures. I wouldn't have a cat
with streamlined ears or a face that looks like it ran headlong into a
wall if *you* paid *me.* (Well, unless there were extenuating
circumstances like it being in serious need of a good home, and I had
space to offer and could afford the medical bills.)

I'm glad you're getting a companion for him (just make sure they're
introduced slowly - Bengals tend to be "bullies").

Bengals are *really* feisty, very intelligent, and more than willing to get
into all kinds of trouble*. Many, many Bengals are turned in to shelters
because of behavior problems (add that to the fact that, while they like to
interact with people, they're not a "lap cat" and that can be hard to
tolerate for a "casual" cat owner). They need lots of attention and lots
and lots of exercise. You also have to make sure your home is "bengal
proofed" - they've been known to learn how to open doors, cabinets,
refrigerators, and other seemingly "cat proofed" places - they turn lights
off and on, turn water taps on (they love water - they've been known to join
their owners in the shower), and a myriad of other mischevious behaviors.

* Caveat... cats' personalities are formed by many factors, including their
genetic heritage, their socialisation and living conditions when growing up,
and good old random individuality! As a result there is always much more
variation between individual cats than there is commonality within a given
breed.


Since there's no way I could seriously consider buying a Bengal at
breeder prices, I feel really lucky to be able to get him, and I'll be
loving both him and the moggie as members of my family, keeping me
company in my lonely apartment after my previous
rescued-from-the-street moggie died after five years, thank you very
much.

Good luck to all of you! Please keep us posted on your adventures with your
new family! ;

Hugs,

CatNipped


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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"CatNipped" wrote:

very
progbably contributing to that shelter population with his breeding
practices - all breeders do which is one of the reasons millions of
healthy
cats are put to death every year in the US alone.

Really? Shelters are full of responsibly bred dogs and cats? Your
"data" seems non-existent. That's AR for ya. So sorry that it's alive
and thriving on ignorance.

Creative snipping always gets you the text you need in order to respond in
your own defense, doesn't it? Well, go ahead - why don't you just type
something and make believe I said it, it's obvious truth and logic are
concepts you're not familiar with, sweetie!


To the OP - you need some closer mentors for advice. Public forums are
likely to bring some pretty harsh criticism.

Especially public forums dedicated to the health and welfare of cats - my,
my, imagine that!

I have no way of knowing
how responsible a breeder you are. I support responsible breeding of
cats and dogs, and shun irresponsible breeding.

Of course you do, what a surprise! I was wondering what that stench was I
was smelling - darling, you need to go take a bath in some common sense and
compassion, you reek of self-righteousness, irresponsibility, selfishness
and plain old bull**** (now see there, you've gone and reduced me to foul
language - that's it, I'm done).

I am confused by those
who actually support the irresponsible by not going after the real
problems, but bitch about purebred breeding instead.

And there really is no need to bitch about breeding painful and probably
fatal diseases, structural deformities, defects, and neurotic tendencies in
the animals we love, is there? It's all good as long as snobs like you can
show off your pretty (to others, grotesque to me) possessions. After all,
they're just animals without souls, without feelings, without worth other
than what we pay for them, right?

Hugs,

CatNipped


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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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"CatNipped" wrote:

It's all good as long as snobs like you can
show off your pretty (to others, grotesque to me) possessions. After all,
they're just animals without souls, without feelings, without worth other
than what we pay for them, right?

All of my animals are beautiful. From free to not free. How horrid of
you to decide that a carefully chosen animal is grotesque.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"cybercat" wrote in
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You're so full of ****. Your allergies "cannot be controlled" with
mere hecatombs to our alien overlords. An aluminum toque repells
medication simply because it suits your pro-breeding agenda.

You see animals as objects with which you imagine you may elevate
conjugate dessert plate pieces of eight. An apparatus for your
your social status. You should not even bother to try, because
resistance is futile. But hey nonny nonny I see that you see that
everyone can *see* what you are. Pathetic.
I am. It's true and that's not a lie.

IFYPFY. HTH BBQ and God bless!

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http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"CatNipped" wrote:

It's all good as long as snobs like you can
show off your pretty (to others, grotesque to me) possessions. After
all,
they're just animals without souls, without feelings, without worth other
than what we pay for them, right?

All of my animals are beautiful. From free to not free. How horrid of
you to decide that a carefully chosen animal is grotesque.


The point is, so many are dying and suffering for want of a good home.
Anyone who advocates creating *more* is seriously wrongheaded and just a
rotten piece of **** who is numb to the suffering of these creatures.

Pardon my scientific terminology.

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"cybercat" wrote:


Pardon my scientific terminology.

and AR agenda. No - I won't.

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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"CatNipped" wrote:

It's all good as long as snobs like you can
show off your pretty (to others, grotesque to me) possessions. After
all,
they're just animals without souls, without feelings, without worth other
than what we pay for them, right?

All of my animals are beautiful. From free to not free. How horrid of
you to decide that a carefully chosen animal is grotesque.

A caricature of what was once the perfect predator, but now sports a
smushed-in face that causes disgusting discharge to form in the eyes and
causes infections and breathing difficulties, has a deformed skeleton and
musculature, is disease-ridden in body and mind, is indeed grotesque - as in
the grotesquely warped, ethically lacking, money grubbing excuse for a human
being that deliberately caused those deformities for the sake of the
almighty dollar. Again, cats started out perfect, it's only the hubris of
people like you who think they can improve on nature and God's creation.

Go ahead, keep snipping to make your point, tell yourself you are a human
being and not pond scum... whatever lets you sleep at night and look at
yourself in the mirror in the morning, darlin'!

Hugs,

CatNipped


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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"cybercat"



Cyber kill file is your friend why are you wasting your time

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"cybercat" wrote:


Pardon my scientific terminology.

and AR agenda. No - I won't.

Of course not when your own agenda entails the suffering of animals for the
sake of your pocketbook! I never for a minute thought you would. It's
interesting, in a gross sort of way, what crawls out from under rocks these
days. If you don't have the ethical or moral standards of a hyena,
sweetums, you could at least keep your mouth shut and pretend you do! Now
do I have to start treating you like the puppy who pooped on the floor in
front of company (people are starting to turn their noses up at the stench)?
Are you that stupid that you would come into *this* particular forum with
your breeder "agenda"? Tsk, tsk. The depths that some so-called humans can
plumb never ceases to amaze me. Unfortunately, the stupidity of some has
become all too predictable. How sad.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:22:19 -0500, CatNipped
wrote:

They need lots of attention and lots and lots of exercise.

I look at this as a bonus. Getting a harness and lead and walking my
cat will be a good way to force *me* to get sufficient exercise
myself. And I'll be giving him lots of attention every moment I'm
at home. (This is also in part why I'm adopting a friendly, sociable
moggie along with him, to be around when I can't be--though the larger
part being that she's such a sweetie I can't leave her alone. I may
go down to the vet clinic where I'm adopting her after work today just
to spend a little time with her, even though it'll be Friday before my
apartment is ready to welcome her in.)

And I'm really looking forward to his feistiness. (Though the shelter
operator assures me that he's a really sweet-natured and friendly
beast.) It'll be fun having a cat who will interact with me rather
than just "tolerate" me.

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