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Old October 8th 03, 05:58 PM
Karen M.
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What country/state do you live in? Someone mentioned South Korea? If
you're here in the United States it is indeed a crime and this person
should be turned in immediately!

transient individual wrote:
I often go to the house of my friend where there are a lot of stray
cats. The super, or handyman of the building often sets up cages to
trap these stray cats and I think there is poison inside. He leaves
the cats locked inside the cages for 2 to 3 days after they ingested
the food, and then he lets them out. The cats are all wobbly when
released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
or are cats considered to be pests like rats?


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Old October 9th 03, 02:51 AM
Mary
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He leaves
the cats locked inside the cages for 2 to 3 days after they ingested
the food, and then he lets them out. The cats are all wobbly when
released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
or are cats considered to be pests like rats?


It's illegal to poison cats here in California. You can trap cats and take them
to the city shelter. If you trap a cat, you must check your traps twice a day
and remove the animal. You can't let them sit in there. I would report the
person to animal services.
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Old October 9th 03, 02:51 AM
Mary
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He leaves
the cats locked inside the cages for 2 to 3 days after they ingested
the food, and then he lets them out. The cats are all wobbly when
released and look like they're about to die. is this against the law,
or are cats considered to be pests like rats?


It's illegal to poison cats here in California. You can trap cats and take them
to the city shelter. If you trap a cat, you must check your traps twice a day
and remove the animal. You can't let them sit in there. I would report the
person to animal services.
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Old October 9th 03, 04:26 AM
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"Karen M." wrote in message ...
What country/state do you live in? Someone mentioned South Korea? If
you're here in the United States it is indeed a crime and this person
should be turned in immediately!



Yes, I'm in the United States. I called the ASPCA and it seems like
they're never there, but I'll try again tomorrow. This guy has killed
three kittens and two adult cats so far. One of the things I'm a
little skeptical about is how are they going to apprehend this person
without no evidence? I don't want to implicate me or my friend
personally, so I'm sort of left with the cage being the only evidence
of there being animal abuse; the corpses are probably gone.
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Old October 9th 03, 04:26 AM
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"Karen M." wrote in message ...
What country/state do you live in? Someone mentioned South Korea? If
you're here in the United States it is indeed a crime and this person
should be turned in immediately!



Yes, I'm in the United States. I called the ASPCA and it seems like
they're never there, but I'll try again tomorrow. This guy has killed
three kittens and two adult cats so far. One of the things I'm a
little skeptical about is how are they going to apprehend this person
without no evidence? I don't want to implicate me or my friend
personally, so I'm sort of left with the cage being the only evidence
of there being animal abuse; the corpses are probably gone.
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Old October 10th 03, 05:13 PM
Kalyahna
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"transient individual" wrote in message
om...
"Karen M." wrote in message

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Yes, I'm in the United States. I called the ASPCA and it seems like
they're never there, but I'll try again tomorrow. This guy has killed
three kittens and two adult cats so far. One of the things I'm a
little skeptical about is how are they going to apprehend this person
without no evidence? I don't want to implicate me or my friend
personally, so I'm sort of left with the cage being the only evidence
of there being animal abuse; the corpses are probably gone.


One would hope that the humane officers would have an answering machine for
calls that come in when they're not at a desk to answer it. You don't want
to implicate yourself or your friend, but I don't think they can give out
any information about the person who called and reported the activity. Just
leave your name and number (or your friend's, since it's his/her building
this is happening in or near) and a basic idea of what's going on that has
you concerned. They can call you back, and the evidence gathering is up to
them. If nothing else, the super may not be aware that he can take the
strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.


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Old October 10th 03, 05:13 PM
Kalyahna
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"transient individual" wrote in message
om...
"Karen M." wrote in message

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Yes, I'm in the United States. I called the ASPCA and it seems like
they're never there, but I'll try again tomorrow. This guy has killed
three kittens and two adult cats so far. One of the things I'm a
little skeptical about is how are they going to apprehend this person
without no evidence? I don't want to implicate me or my friend
personally, so I'm sort of left with the cage being the only evidence
of there being animal abuse; the corpses are probably gone.


One would hope that the humane officers would have an answering machine for
calls that come in when they're not at a desk to answer it. You don't want
to implicate yourself or your friend, but I don't think they can give out
any information about the person who called and reported the activity. Just
leave your name and number (or your friend's, since it's his/her building
this is happening in or near) and a basic idea of what's going on that has
you concerned. They can call you back, and the evidence gathering is up to
them. If nothing else, the super may not be aware that he can take the
strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.


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Old October 11th 03, 06:42 PM
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"Kalyahna" wrote in message ...
One would hope that the humane officers would have an answering machine for
calls that come in when they're not at a desk to answer it. You don't want
to implicate yourself or your friend, but I don't think they can give out
any information about the person who called and reported the activity. Just
leave your name and number (or your friend's, since it's his/her building
this is happening in or near) and a basic idea of what's going on that has
you concerned. They can call you back, and the evidence gathering is up to
them. If nothing else, the super may not be aware that he can take the
strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.


The ASPCA is a joke. I called up, and they tell me I have to sign
sworn statements from both me and my friend. Not only that, but they
can't show up at the building based on hearsay or anything that isn't
specific. If they did show up, they'd have to see if there is any
poisin in the cage, and see the corpses of the cat. And aside from
that, the people I spoke to on the phone don't even seem to give a
**** about the welfare of the animals. I asked her is there anything
else I can do besides get myself personally involved in this, and she
said NO. The guy who is doing this is a alcoholic who I would say has
the potential to get a bit violent if he could. So,I tried, but since
nobody cares, I guess he's going to continue doing what he's doing.
  #29  
Old October 11th 03, 06:42 PM
transient individual
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"Kalyahna" wrote in message ...
One would hope that the humane officers would have an answering machine for
calls that come in when they're not at a desk to answer it. You don't want
to implicate yourself or your friend, but I don't think they can give out
any information about the person who called and reported the activity. Just
leave your name and number (or your friend's, since it's his/her building
this is happening in or near) and a basic idea of what's going on that has
you concerned. They can call you back, and the evidence gathering is up to
them. If nothing else, the super may not be aware that he can take the
strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.


The ASPCA is a joke. I called up, and they tell me I have to sign
sworn statements from both me and my friend. Not only that, but they
can't show up at the building based on hearsay or anything that isn't
specific. If they did show up, they'd have to see if there is any
poisin in the cage, and see the corpses of the cat. And aside from
that, the people I spoke to on the phone don't even seem to give a
**** about the welfare of the animals. I asked her is there anything
else I can do besides get myself personally involved in this, and she
said NO. The guy who is doing this is a alcoholic who I would say has
the potential to get a bit violent if he could. So,I tried, but since
nobody cares, I guess he's going to continue doing what he's doing.
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Old October 12th 03, 02:23 AM
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In om,
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strays to the SPCA, or even have a humane officer pick them up.


The ASPCA is a joke. I called up, and they tell me I have to sign
sworn statements from both me and my friend. Not only that, but they
can't show up at the building based on hearsay or anything that
isn't
specific. If they did show up, they'd have to see if there is any
poisin in the cage, and see the corpses of the cat. And aside from
that, the people I spoke to on the phone don't even seem to give a
**** about the welfare of the animals. I asked her is there anything
else I can do besides get myself personally involved in this, and
she
said NO. The guy who is doing this is a alcoholic who I would say
has
the potential to get a bit violent if he could. So,I tried, but
since
nobody cares, I guess he's going to continue doing what he's doing.


That really sucks and I'd be suspicious of who exactly it was who took
your call. Because these groups are all volunteers (some are paid,
but the ones answering phone calls normally aren't), it is sometimes
discouraging the kind of response you get. If you're really concerned
about this and I think you are, can you try to escalate it and ask who
the groups Executive Director is and get in touch with them? In my
area the SPCA isn't animal control but they certainly investigate
reports of cruelty. Good luck.


 




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