is this normal?

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

Goob, are you in love with Lauren? Cuz I'm pretty sure she's married so
maybe
you should direct your obsessions elsewhere.

Candace

Ack, bite your tongue, Candace, LOL. Yes, I'm married. Sorry, Goobie, I
know
it breaks your little heart

Don't flatter yourself, LIAR. I hope you get your pathological urge to lie and
call people names "out of your system" on the internet, for the sake of your
marriage. I know that if my wife lied about things, I wouldn't be able to
trust her.

From: (Liz)
Date: 2/22/04 8:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
Nope, I'm happily married. I just wonder why your little clique chooses to
ignore Lauren's bad behavior and chastise Christina for hers?

I have never seen Lauren be unpolite to anyone but those who attacked
her first. You cannot blame her for the actions of others. Actually, I
think she´s the friendliest and most supportive person in this
newsgroup.

That's a load of crap and you know it, Liz. You and her kiss each other's
posteriors so often, it's gross!

It is her right as it is my right to dislike SD and I don´t
see why you have to make such a big deal out of it.

Again, this has nothing to do with SD. Where do you come up with this stuff?
This has to do with Lauren lying and being nasty. Something you do when you're
confronted with the truth as well.

From: (Liz)
Date: 2/22/04 8:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
Nope, I'm happily married. I just wonder why your little clique chooses to
ignore Lauren's bad behavior and chastise Christina for hers?

I have never seen Lauren be unpolite to anyone but those who attacked
her first. You cannot blame her for the actions of others. Actually, I
think she´s the friendliest and most supportive person in this
newsgroup.

That's a load of crap and you know it, Liz. You and her kiss each other's
posteriors so often, it's gross!

It is her right as it is my right to dislike SD and I don´t
see why you have to make such a big deal out of it.

Again, this has nothing to do with SD. Where do you come up with this stuff?
This has to do with Lauren lying and being nasty. Something you do when you're
confronted with the truth as well.

"Cathy Friedmann" wrote in message
...

"Mary" wrote in message
. com...

"Laura R." wrote in
message .. .
circa 22 Feb 2004 22:13:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
PawsForThought ) said,
Hmmm, well, a) I don't think "eat ****" is all that awful
of a
thing
to say.

And besides sometimes it is just the most appropriate
response.


It *was* the most appropriate response. I remember Steve
Crane
was saying that
ingredients don't matter in pet food. I said something like
"why
don't you eat
**** then since ingredients don't matter."
It must have been too much for Goobie to handle, LOL

That's 'cause he only has one hand free...



oooooo

low five,



low



five!

Was that a pun? ;-Þ


Cathy

--

An unintentional one, but hey!

"Cathy Friedmann" wrote in message
...

"Mary" wrote in message
. com...

"Laura R." wrote in
message .. .
circa 22 Feb 2004 22:13:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
PawsForThought ) said,
Hmmm, well, a) I don't think "eat ****" is all that awful
of a
thing
to say.

And besides sometimes it is just the most appropriate
response.


It *was* the most appropriate response. I remember Steve
Crane
was saying that
ingredients don't matter in pet food. I said something like
"why
don't you eat
**** then since ingredients don't matter."
It must have been too much for Goobie to handle, LOL

That's 'cause he only has one hand free...



oooooo

low five,



low



five!

Was that a pun? ;-Þ


Cathy

--

An unintentional one, but hey!

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0500, "Phil P."
wrote:

Breeders claim that only 5-10% of the pet cats in the US are pedigrees.
That translates into about 3.5-7 million cats - The lower number is about
the number of cats killed each year in the nation's kill-shelters.

Actually, the figure is 6% of the population of OWNED cats,
which is approximately 3.8% of the cat population -- around 2.6
million. Purebred cats are more likely to be indoor only cats, and
more likely to be neutered or spayed. However, roaming, free-breeding
cats make up 35.7% of the entire cat population -- IMO, that is where
the problem lies.

cite: http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html

All the cat registry organizations combined don't register 3 mllion new
pedigrees a year so I don't know how many cats breeders actually contribute
to the cat overpopulation but its clear that they do contribute to the
problem - hobby breeders less so than commercial and backyard breeders
because many hobby breeders only "breed to order" rather than churn out
litters one after the other.

Remember that indoor-only cats tend to live longer than
free-roaming cats. For purebreds to continue to make up 6% of the
owned population, breeders could not churn out 2.6 million cats per
year. I'd be extremely surprised if breeders registered half a
million cats per year -- I'll send some emails out to the registries
and see if I can get some information regarding total number of cats
registered last year in each of the major registries.





Orchid
See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0500, "Phil P."
wrote:

Breeders claim that only 5-10% of the pet cats in the US are pedigrees.
That translates into about 3.5-7 million cats - The lower number is about
the number of cats killed each year in the nation's kill-shelters.

Actually, the figure is 6% of the population of OWNED cats,
which is approximately 3.8% of the cat population -- around 2.6
million. Purebred cats are more likely to be indoor only cats, and
more likely to be neutered or spayed. However, roaming, free-breeding
cats make up 35.7% of the entire cat population -- IMO, that is where
the problem lies.

cite: http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html

All the cat registry organizations combined don't register 3 mllion new
pedigrees a year so I don't know how many cats breeders actually contribute
to the cat overpopulation but its clear that they do contribute to the
problem - hobby breeders less so than commercial and backyard breeders
because many hobby breeders only "breed to order" rather than churn out
litters one after the other.

Remember that indoor-only cats tend to live longer than
free-roaming cats. For purebreds to continue to make up 6% of the
owned population, breeders could not churn out 2.6 million cats per
year. I'd be extremely surprised if breeders registered half a
million cats per year -- I'll send some emails out to the registries
and see if I can get some information regarding total number of cats
registered last year in each of the major registries.





Orchid
See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid

LOL you really ARE a mental case. I thought they were being a bit harsh on
you, Now I see they were right.
Of course I talk about what interests me, as you, and everyone else on the
lists do. It's WHY we're here, you moron. It's all I was doing.

To talk about the issues (cat or otherwise) someone posts about. Granted it
IS a cat group, but heck, people say some funny things Sometimes they mean
to, cus they have a great wit - you know who you are G_ and sometimes they
just say things cus they.. well... now that I think about it, I guess cus
well.. dang, I am stumped. Help me out, why DO you say things again?

LOL Oh yeah, it all goes back to Lauren and Science Diet.. I guess I should
pay attention. Or... ignore ya? Yeah.

Pull your head out. But whether you do or don't? Just leave me out of you
silly little fantasies. Just shut up Goober. You make me tired.

LOL you really ARE a mental case. I thought they were being a bit harsh on
you, Now I see they were right.
Of course I talk about what interests me, as you, and everyone else on the
lists do. It's WHY we're here, you moron. It's all I was doing.

To talk about the issues (cat or otherwise) someone posts about. Granted it
IS a cat group, but heck, people say some funny things Sometimes they mean
to, cus they have a great wit - you know who you are G_ and sometimes they
just say things cus they.. well... now that I think about it, I guess cus
well.. dang, I am stumped. Help me out, why DO you say things again?

LOL Oh yeah, it all goes back to Lauren and Science Diet.. I guess I should
pay attention. Or... ignore ya? Yeah.

Pull your head out. But whether you do or don't? Just leave me out of you
silly little fantasies. Just shut up Goober. You make me tired.

"Orchid" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0500, "Phil P."
wrote:

Breeders claim that only 5-10% of the pet cats in the US are pedigrees.
That translates into about 3.5-7 million cats - The lower number is about
the number of cats killed each year in the nation's kill-shelters.

Actually, the figure is 6% of the population of OWNED cats,
which is approximately 3.8% of the cat population -- around 2.6
million.

I've read a lot of conflicting data but I think the CFA is probably
reliable - although they do tend to put their own spin on things
occasionally. The there are a lot of studies about the pet population and
distribution as well as shelter studies and stastistics published in the
Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science that's very reliable. We
participated in a few.


Purebred cats are more likely to be indoor only cats, and
more likely to be neutered or spayed.

True. But each one that's bred still reduces the number of available homes
for cats already in shelters with the clock ticking.


However, roaming, free-breeding
cats make up 35.7% of the entire cat population -- IMO, that is where
the problem lies.

The biggesr part of the problem. Absolutely. The first step towards
reducing the overpopulation problem is dispelling the 6 month neuter policy.
Females can go into heat at *4* months. One study showed 50% of adopted
cats had a litter before they were spayed even though the owners intended to
spay their cats at the traditional 6 months. The "oops" litters are another
big part of the problem.

I'd like to see a mandatory neuter-before-adoption policy for shelters and
pet stores - we have one. With the safety of early age neutering well
established with over 30 years of studies and clinical experience, and vet
universites now teaching the procedure, an NBA policy should be mandatory.
This would eliminate the 'opps" litters (about 5 kittens/cat plus kittens
from their offspring) and litters caused by people who don't honor their
(unenforceable) contracts for one reason or another.

Unfortunately, EAN is still questioned by many "old school" vets because of
their unfamiliarity with surgery and anesthesia on young kittens despite all
the benefits.




cite: http://www.fanciers.com/npa/sdanalysis.html

All the cat registry organizations combined don't register 3 mllion new
pedigrees a year so I don't know how many cats breeders actually
contribute
to the cat overpopulation but its clear that they do contribute to the
problem - hobby breeders less so than commercial and backyard breeders
because many hobby breeders only "breed to order" rather than churn out
litters one after the other.

Remember that indoor-only cats tend to live longer than
free-roaming cats. For purebreds to continue to make up 6% of the
owned population, breeders could not churn out 2.6 million cats per
year. I'd be extremely surprised if breeders registered half a
million cats per year -- I'll send some emails out to the registries
and see if I can get some information regarding total number of cats
registered last year in each of the major registries.

I have all kinds of conflicting data - but I'd still like to know. Perhaps
I wouldn't be so hard on them.

Phil