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I guess I will break these up a bit. Yes the word is nonsense. Who do
you think pioneered adding high levels of Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids to diets? in *1962* - Hill's. But you're right that was only 41 years ago, not 50. There isn't a diet out there with more N3,6's than products made by Hill's. What is the percentage of omega 3 and omega 6 in Science Diet Adult Maintenance? What you fail to recognize, primarily becauaue you have followed down the path of totally UNPROVEN carbophobia is that once the state of metabolic acidosis is reached, it doesn't mater what the level of carbs are - not one bit. It doesn't matter for treating weight loss or for diabetes. Who said anything about metabolic acidosis? I´m talking about the Atkin´s diet. How did you go from the Atkin´s diet to metabolic acidosis? That's always the fall back isn't it. Play Chicken little and claim the sky *might* be falling. I would suggest that you need to look at a number of possible nutrients that are ONLY available when cooked. Be sure to tell me how you are planning for these unknown nutrients that are ONLY available in cooked foods. Oh dear, someone really needs to be a genious to figure this one out. For how long have cats (or humans) existed? And for how long have we been cooking our food? For how long have cats been cooking their food? If any essential nutrient were only available after cooking, we wouldn´t be here, don´t you think? Oh goodness. Now this is wild bs. Please state one. And let me remind you that cellulose or starch are *not* necessary at all in a cat´s diet. Can you spell lycopene? trypsin in native states? and of course the dreaded and evil carbohydrates, despite the myths and unsubstantiated hypothesis of the carbophobics. Lycopene. Red pigment only present in certain plants. Cats do not eat plants. Should we assume lycopene is essential to cats? Does cooking actually affect lycopene or does it rupture the cell wall of plants making its contents available to us or cats, both uncapable of breaking through the cell wall of plants? And a correction: lycopene is more available in cooked plants than raw plants, it´s not *only* available in cooked plants. Trypsin is an enzyme and all enzymes are proteins. Proteins are denatured by heat and the more denatured they are, the harder they become to digest until they become completely undigestible. Please give me the source of your information as I will *definitively* check this one. |
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Excessive levels of nutrients
are the biggest cause of disease death in pets today. Reference please. And don´t give me that old crap of the early stages of kidney disease. Phosphorus is only harmful to kidneys if it is in excess in *blood*, not in diet. Absolutely WRONG!!!!!!!! Phos levels above 0.4% in cats and dogs with early renal failure CAUSES early DEATH. No if's no ands, no buts. Reference please. Excess phosphorus in blood (hyperphosphataemia) can be detected at any time, all it takes is a blood panel. Again WRONG - You cannot detect early renal failure with a "blood panel". Not even close. I can't believe you are so damn stubborn about defending your mistakes your carbophobia you would willingly put other peoples animals at risk by making such a totally erroneous statement. DID I WRITE CRF OR HYPERPHOSPHATAEMIA? Hello!! Earth to LIZ - Purina's dry DM product has the same level of carbs. Hey, did I ever say I endorse Purina´s dry DM? But I don´t see any representative from Purina in this forum feeding us bull****. |
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Excessive levels of nutrients
are the biggest cause of disease death in pets today. Reference please. And don´t give me that old crap of the early stages of kidney disease. Phosphorus is only harmful to kidneys if it is in excess in *blood*, not in diet. Absolutely WRONG!!!!!!!! Phos levels above 0.4% in cats and dogs with early renal failure CAUSES early DEATH. No if's no ands, no buts. Reference please. Excess phosphorus in blood (hyperphosphataemia) can be detected at any time, all it takes is a blood panel. Again WRONG - You cannot detect early renal failure with a "blood panel". Not even close. I can't believe you are so damn stubborn about defending your mistakes your carbophobia you would willingly put other peoples animals at risk by making such a totally erroneous statement. DID I WRITE CRF OR HYPERPHOSPHATAEMIA? Hello!! Earth to LIZ - Purina's dry DM product has the same level of carbs. Hey, did I ever say I endorse Purina´s dry DM? But I don´t see any representative from Purina in this forum feeding us bull****. |
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Liz wrote:
Then I started feeding her a 75% California Natural & 25% Science Diet Nature's Best. Everything changed around mealtime... she now meows for me to fill up the dish. She now seems to try to ferret out the Science Diet chunks from the California Natural. If I have no treats on hand, she will happily consider the pure Science Diet Nature's Best chunks as a treat. Do you have kids? Get a bowl of icecream or some chocolate chip cookies and a bowl of steak and put both in front of the child. Most children will go for the icecream or cookies. Does that mean this is the best for them? Then I guess I was a weird kid... because I used to eat everything... steak, ice cream, cookies and anything else that got in the way. ;-) -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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Liz wrote:
Then I started feeding her a 75% California Natural & 25% Science Diet Nature's Best. Everything changed around mealtime... she now meows for me to fill up the dish. She now seems to try to ferret out the Science Diet chunks from the California Natural. If I have no treats on hand, she will happily consider the pure Science Diet Nature's Best chunks as a treat. Do you have kids? Get a bowl of icecream or some chocolate chip cookies and a bowl of steak and put both in front of the child. Most children will go for the icecream or cookies. Does that mean this is the best for them? Then I guess I was a weird kid... because I used to eat everything... steak, ice cream, cookies and anything else that got in the way. ;-) -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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"Steve Crane" wrote in message om... olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ... Lauren, I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful. Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL! In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of any *10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or *any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If 1/10 of her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago! If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular food, instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then again, she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it! Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can swap "horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read their nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave unchecked.... |
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"Steve Crane" wrote in message om... olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ... Lauren, I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful. Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL! In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of any *10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or *any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If 1/10 of her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago! If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular food, instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then again, she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it! Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can swap "horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read their nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave unchecked.... |
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted: Then I started feeding her a 75% California Natural & 25% Science Diet Nature's Best. Everything changed around mealtime... she now meows for me to fill up the dish. She now seems to try to ferret out the Science Diet chunks from the California Natural. If I have no treats on hand, she will happily consider the pure Science Diet Nature's Best chunks as a treat. Do you have kids? Get a bowl of icecream or some chocolate chip cookies and a bowl of steak and put both in front of the child. Most children will go for the icecream or cookies. Does that mean this is the best for them? Hahahhaha. Both our kids (35 yrs ago) would have asked for a soda or milk and eaten everything in sight! -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted: It should give a logically thinking grown-up some pause to wonder why 99.99% of all practicing veterinarians, EVERY board certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition, and every Board certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine refuses to endorse the BARF philosophy. I would say they are being responsible. Heck, people can´t even take care of themselves when it comes to eating and you expect them to do a good job with their pets? How many people would have the time and money to prepare a balanced raw diet? And how many of these would handle meat safely, both for them and for their pets? How many people are in fact hygienic? How many people wash their hands before they handle meat? How many lawsuits would they be against the veterinary community if they acquired toxo by handling meat for their pets? If I were a vet, I would definitively be hesitant to advocate raw without first giving a lecture about feeding raw. Afterall, a vet simply does not know what kind of a person (or pig) they´re dealing with. The fact that they don´t advocate raw does not necessarily mean raw is not the best for the animal. Hey.... there are two kinds of people: Those who wash there hands before having an elimination and those who wash their hands after. ;-) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted: Then I started feeding her a 75% California Natural & 25% Science Diet Nature's Best. Everything changed around mealtime... she now meows for me to fill up the dish. She now seems to try to ferret out the Science Diet chunks from the California Natural. If I have no treats on hand, she will happily consider the pure Science Diet Nature's Best chunks as a treat. Do you have kids? Get a bowl of icecream or some chocolate chip cookies and a bowl of steak and put both in front of the child. Most children will go for the icecream or cookies. Does that mean this is the best for them? Hahahhaha. Both our kids (35 yrs ago) would have asked for a soda or milk and eaten everything in sight! -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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