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  #61  
Old October 8th 03, 10:16 PM
Philip ®
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted:
It should give a logically thinking grown-up some pause to
wonder why 99.99% of all practicing veterinarians, EVERY board
certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary
Nutrition, and every Board certified diplomate of the American
College of Veterinary Internal Medicine refuses to endorse the
BARF philosophy.


I would say they are being responsible. Heck, people can´t even
take care of themselves when it comes to eating and you expect
them to do a good job with their pets? How many people would have
the time and money to prepare a balanced raw diet? And how many of
these would handle meat safely, both for them and for their pets?
How many people are in fact hygienic? How many people wash their
hands before they handle meat? How many lawsuits would they be
against the veterinary community if they acquired toxo by handling
meat for their pets? If I were a vet, I would definitively be
hesitant to advocate raw without first giving a lecture about
feeding raw. Afterall, a vet simply does not know what kind of a
person (or pig) they´re dealing with. The fact that they don´t
advocate raw does not necessarily mean raw is not the best for the
animal.


Hey.... there are two kinds of people: Those who wash there hands
before having an elimination and those who wash their hands after.
;-)
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~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"




  #62  
Old October 8th 03, 10:16 PM
Philip ®
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted:
Excessive levels of nutrients
are the biggest cause of disease death in pets today.


Reference please.


Ummmm... anybody owning an overweight housecat? That would be an
case of excessive nutrition, no? ;-)
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~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"


  #63  
Old October 8th 03, 10:16 PM
Philip ®
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted:
Excessive levels of nutrients
are the biggest cause of disease death in pets today.


Reference please.


Ummmm... anybody owning an overweight housecat? That would be an
case of excessive nutrition, no? ;-)
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"


  #64  
Old October 8th 03, 10:48 PM
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In ,
Karen M. composed with style:


If you are honest with yourself you will agree that
under
those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have
disliked the food at all.


Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn
in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made
it. You can
tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't
like
it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and
that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life
all
responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different
foods
that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it.
Period.


I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no
matter what the situation they will spin it their way. I haven't
followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but
I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness
Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a
little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say,
chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I
might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch
it. What good is that?



  #65  
Old October 8th 03, 10:48 PM
Cheryl
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In ,
Karen M. composed with style:


If you are honest with yourself you will agree that
under
those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have
disliked the food at all.


Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn
in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made
it. You can
tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't
like
it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and
that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life
all
responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different
foods
that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it.
Period.


I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no
matter what the situation they will spin it their way. I haven't
followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but
I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness
Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a
little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say,
chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I
might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch
it. What good is that?



  #66  
Old October 8th 03, 11:33 PM
Karen M.
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Who are the other two, phil?

Phil P. wrote:

"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om...

(PawsForThought) wrote in message


...

Lauren,
I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful.



Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL!

In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of any
*10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or
*any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If 1/10 of
her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago!

If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete
idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after
their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular food,
instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then again,
she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her
built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the
dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it!

Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start
their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can swap
"horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read their
nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave unchecked....




  #67  
Old October 8th 03, 11:33 PM
Karen M.
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Who are the other two, phil?

Phil P. wrote:

"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om...

(PawsForThought) wrote in message


...

Lauren,
I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful.



Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL!

In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of any
*10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or
*any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If 1/10 of
her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago!

If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete
idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after
their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular food,
instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then again,
she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her
built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the
dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it!

Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start
their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can swap
"horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read their
nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave unchecked....




  #68  
Old October 9th 03, 12:20 AM
Karen M.
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Cheryl wrote:
In ,
Karen M. composed with style:


If you are honest with yourself you will agree that

under
those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have
disliked the food at all.


Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn
in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made
it. You can
tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't
like
it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and
that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life
all
responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different
foods
that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it.
Period.



I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no
matter what the situation they will spin it their way.


Oh, you're so right. I guess I've been in masochist mode. Time to stop
bitch-slapping myself.

I haven't
followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but
I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness
Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a
little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say,
chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I
might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch
it. What good is that?




Exactly. I think it's good when cats actually eat their food, right?
insert sarcasm here



P.S. Look for a link to my new foster kittens, coming soon!

xo,
K

  #69  
Old October 9th 03, 12:20 AM
Karen M.
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Cheryl wrote:
In ,
Karen M. composed with style:


If you are honest with yourself you will agree that

under
those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have
disliked the food at all.


Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn
in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made
it. You can
tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't
like
it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and
that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life
all
responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different
foods
that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it.
Period.



I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no
matter what the situation they will spin it their way.


Oh, you're so right. I guess I've been in masochist mode. Time to stop
bitch-slapping myself.

I haven't
followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but
I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness
Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a
little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say,
chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I
might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch
it. What good is that?




Exactly. I think it's good when cats actually eat their food, right?
insert sarcasm here



P.S. Look for a link to my new foster kittens, coming soon!

xo,
K

  #70  
Old October 9th 03, 01:01 AM
PawsForThought
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From: (Liz)

It should give a logically thinking grown-up some pause to wonder
why 99.99% of all practicing veterinarians, EVERY board certified
diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition, and every
Board certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary
Internal Medicine refuses to endorse the BARF philosophy.


I would say they are being responsible. Heck, people can´t even take
care of themselves when it comes to eating and you expect them to do a
good job with their pets? How many people would have the time and
money to prepare a balanced raw diet? And how many of these would
handle meat safely, both for them and for their pets? How many people
are in fact hygienic? How many people wash their hands before they
handle meat? How many lawsuits would they be against the veterinary
community if they acquired toxo by handling meat for their pets? If I
were a vet, I would definitively be hesitant to advocate raw without
first giving a lecture about feeding raw. Afterall, a vet simply does
not know what kind of a person (or pig) they´re dealing with. The fact
that they don´t advocate raw does not necessarily mean raw is not the
best for the animal.


Exactly. My vet believes in a raw diet but he will be the first to say it's
not for everyone, and I totally agree.
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