food...

(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

If you haven't figured it out already, Nutro reps will tell you anything to
get
you to buy their food.

Uh-oh, a Nutro basher!

Mary" wrote:


Also, I must say, my 20-year-old stray, fed SD dry exclusively from
age 4 on, had ALL
of her teeth when she died. Her daughter who died at 19 and was fed
mostly wet Friskies type food had lost most of her teeth.

There may or may not be a correlation. The only specific foods demonstrated to
benefit dental health are some of the new dental diets approved as such, but
those weren't around twenty years ago.

Mary" wrote:


Also, I must say, my 20-year-old stray, fed SD dry exclusively from
age 4 on, had ALL
of her teeth when she died. Her daughter who died at 19 and was fed
mostly wet Friskies type food had lost most of her teeth.

There may or may not be a correlation. The only specific foods demonstrated to
benefit dental health are some of the new dental diets approved as such, but
those weren't around twenty years ago.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

I don't know what's in their product but evidently has the VOHC approval, for
what it's worth. The problem with these kibble dental diets is the way cats
chew. Their teeth are meant for ripping and tearing and from my
understanding
cats don't always chew kibble in a beneficial way for a dental diet. Also,
SD
dental is a dry food and it's been proven that canned cat food is much
healthier for cats.

http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch4.php

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

Lauren

I can verify that with certain dental diets, my cat that needs them most does
not benefit, because when she barfs them up the kibble is still whole. So
clearly if they are intended to work by mechanical action, they are not working
at all for her because she avoids chewing them.

SD Oral Care is too big for her to swallow whole--thus she doesn't eat it. Our
two other cats do like it, however, and they chew it. Whether my vet will see
any improvement in dental health when they go in for their next exams remains
to be seen. I don't see any difference myself.

My one objection to SD Oral Care is that when the cats munch on it, they
dribble pieces back into the dish. Since I know that half crunched kibble
coated with saliva can be a breeding ground for bacteria, I disinfect the bowl
every day, but I still wonder if that aspect of the food may cause a problem
eventually.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

I don't know what's in their product but evidently has the VOHC approval, for
what it's worth. The problem with these kibble dental diets is the way cats
chew. Their teeth are meant for ripping and tearing and from my
understanding
cats don't always chew kibble in a beneficial way for a dental diet. Also,
SD
dental is a dry food and it's been proven that canned cat food is much
healthier for cats.

http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch4.php

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

Lauren

I can verify that with certain dental diets, my cat that needs them most does
not benefit, because when she barfs them up the kibble is still whole. So
clearly if they are intended to work by mechanical action, they are not working
at all for her because she avoids chewing them.

SD Oral Care is too big for her to swallow whole--thus she doesn't eat it. Our
two other cats do like it, however, and they chew it. Whether my vet will see
any improvement in dental health when they go in for their next exams remains
to be seen. I don't see any difference myself.

My one objection to SD Oral Care is that when the cats munch on it, they
dribble pieces back into the dish. Since I know that half crunched kibble
coated with saliva can be a breeding ground for bacteria, I disinfect the bowl
every day, but I still wonder if that aspect of the food may cause a problem
eventually.

In ,
GAUBSTER2 composed with style:

Because Steve would know and Lauren knows that as well.

And you are so in love with yourself that you felt you had to
interject and say that Steve Crane can answer it and you can't. Just
to see your nym in the thread. Okkkkkk. Why do you feel the need to
answer it if you can't and fully admit you can't?

In ,
GAUBSTER2 composed with style:

Because Steve would know and Lauren knows that as well.

And you are so in love with yourself that you felt you had to
interject and say that Steve Crane can answer it and you can't. Just
to see your nym in the thread. Okkkkkk. Why do you feel the need to
answer it if you can't and fully admit you can't?

In ,
GAUBSTER2 composed with style:
I wonder if he has that on a bumper sticker? LMAO! Gaubster
NEVER has anything to add.

Actually almost all of the points I've ever made have been backed
up by others on this list.

Nope, you just parrot Steve Crane's posts. I've yet to see you post
an original thought or fact. Anyone can repeat what they've read
someone else say. Especially if they think the one saying it has all
the facts.

In ,
GAUBSTER2 composed with style:
I wonder if he has that on a bumper sticker? LMAO! Gaubster
NEVER has anything to add.

Actually almost all of the points I've ever made have been backed
up by others on this list.

Nope, you just parrot Steve Crane's posts. I've yet to see you post
an original thought or fact. Anyone can repeat what they've read
someone else say. Especially if they think the one saying it has all
the facts.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Crane)

Most companies use various survey companies. Neilsen for instance in
grocery stores buys information from grocery stores. Companies like
Audits & Surveys tabulate sales from a wide variety of retailers,
including grocery, mass market (Wal-Mart), pet specialty,
veterinarians, independant pet retailers and farm and feed. They
conduct manual inventory measurements at several hundred retail
outlets and use the purchase history and inventory levels to determine
actual sales each quarter. They sell that information to companies
like Hill's who want to know what kind of market share they have.
Audits & Surveys data is not always dead on accurate, but it is the
most accurate of the available data.

So there are no numbers posted anywhere where a consumer can see the actual
figures? I just wonder because I've heard other companies, like Nutro for
example, that claim to be the best seller in the natural cat food market. I
called a company yesterday that gets the figures for natural foods. I asked
them what brand of natural cat food is the top seller and they told me I'd have to pay them $250 to get that information.

That is correct. I'm surprised they would sell it so cheap. I would
have to guess that it was outdated information that has been out in
the "public view" long enough to have little value. The cost of Audits
and Surveys data is vastly more expensive than $250. There is always a
small lag in the data, for instance the 3rd quarter data covering
July, August and September did not show up until November 10th. Pet
Food magazine publishes twice a year with data for the major
companies, giving market share for the US as percentage of the total
market. The November 2003 issue gives the following:

Nestle Purina 30%
All Other brands 14%
Hill's 12%
Iams 12%
Master Foods (Pedigree etc) 11%
Ol' Roy 10%
Del Monte 7%
Nutro 4%

You can't expect a company that pays hundreds of people to go into
stores and veterinary clinics, inventories the foods, and reviews
purchase and sales history to give you that information for free.
That's how they make a living and if they gave it to you for free, how
would they pay all those people who work for them?