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From: Joe Canuck
And if you haven't figured it out already, Science Diet does the same thing. So what's your point? Not quite, at least not in my own experience. I've dealt with Nutro, Science Diet and Iams/Eukanuba reps. They were all pleasant people to talk with and all seemed genuinely enthusiastic about their products. Not once did I hear any of them bash another companies product, instead they each promoted their own. It makes more sense to promote and talk about their own products that it does to spend the time bashing other companies products. I didn't say anything about bashing another company. I replied to a post where the person said Nutro reps will tell you anything to get you to buy their food. I said Science Diet does the same thing, which IME they do. I didn't say they bash another company. I said they will tell you anything to sell their product that they think you want to hear to buy their food. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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PawsForThought wrote:
From: Joe Canuck And if you haven't figured it out already, Science Diet does the same thing. So what's your point? Not quite, at least not in my own experience. I've dealt with Nutro, Science Diet and Iams/Eukanuba reps. They were all pleasant people to talk with and all seemed genuinely enthusiastic about their products. Not once did I hear any of them bash another companies product, instead they each promoted their own. It makes more sense to promote and talk about their own products that it does to spend the time bashing other companies products. I didn't say anything about bashing another company. I replied to a post where the person said Nutro reps will tell you anything to get you to buy their food. I said Science Diet does the same thing, which IME they do. I didn't say they bash another company. I said they will tell you anything to sell their product that they think you want to hear to buy their food. But, "...tell you anything..." can include bad-mouthing other companies products if that is what it takes to sell the food. With two exceptions, no representative of any pet food company has ever tried to hard sell me their products or "...tell me anything..." to get me to purchase their products. If I heard something from a rep that I thought wasn't quite right, I would be the first one to follow up with the company for clarification. The companies public reputation is at stake in these situations since the rep is essentially acting as a spokesperson for the company. Just as a companies reputation is at stake based on what is said at its website. BTW, one exception was an overly exuberant store owner who wanted to sell me one of every food item in her store. Fortunately I escaped with my wallet intact and only 1 bag of California Natural that I was feeding my cat at the time. The other exception was a clerk in a store wanting to sell me a bag of Science Diet that was past the expiry date, insisting that it was still good. I had two problems with this... the first being the bag was not very fresh and the other being that the bag, which was looking very long on the tooth, was sitting on the floor by the door when I entered the store. Perhaps it had been used as a door stop. I suggested they keep using it as a door stop. :-) I think I have said this before but we all need to pick products, including food, that suits our own needs and that we are comfortable with. I'm willing to discuss the merits or downside of foods anytime in a civil manner. My cat who is 3 years old has been on no less that 8 different food brands. If nothing else she will have had a variety and hopefully won't be a fussy eater. She is now on Science Diet and doing rather well on it. One indication is the stool volume has decreased dramatically which means most of the food is being digested. Now I know you feed raw. I've asked this question before and no one has stepped up to the plate to provide an answer so I will ask you directly: How do you ensure your cats get all the nutrients in the minimum amounts as suggested by the AAFCO standards? How do you ensure a delicate and important issue like the Calcium:Phosphorus ratio is correct or at least somewhat in the appropriate area for each batch you prepare? -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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PawsForThought wrote:
From: Joe Canuck And if you haven't figured it out already, Science Diet does the same thing. So what's your point? Not quite, at least not in my own experience. I've dealt with Nutro, Science Diet and Iams/Eukanuba reps. They were all pleasant people to talk with and all seemed genuinely enthusiastic about their products. Not once did I hear any of them bash another companies product, instead they each promoted their own. It makes more sense to promote and talk about their own products that it does to spend the time bashing other companies products. I didn't say anything about bashing another company. I replied to a post where the person said Nutro reps will tell you anything to get you to buy their food. I said Science Diet does the same thing, which IME they do. I didn't say they bash another company. I said they will tell you anything to sell their product that they think you want to hear to buy their food. But, "...tell you anything..." can include bad-mouthing other companies products if that is what it takes to sell the food. With two exceptions, no representative of any pet food company has ever tried to hard sell me their products or "...tell me anything..." to get me to purchase their products. If I heard something from a rep that I thought wasn't quite right, I would be the first one to follow up with the company for clarification. The companies public reputation is at stake in these situations since the rep is essentially acting as a spokesperson for the company. Just as a companies reputation is at stake based on what is said at its website. BTW, one exception was an overly exuberant store owner who wanted to sell me one of every food item in her store. Fortunately I escaped with my wallet intact and only 1 bag of California Natural that I was feeding my cat at the time. The other exception was a clerk in a store wanting to sell me a bag of Science Diet that was past the expiry date, insisting that it was still good. I had two problems with this... the first being the bag was not very fresh and the other being that the bag, which was looking very long on the tooth, was sitting on the floor by the door when I entered the store. Perhaps it had been used as a door stop. I suggested they keep using it as a door stop. :-) I think I have said this before but we all need to pick products, including food, that suits our own needs and that we are comfortable with. I'm willing to discuss the merits or downside of foods anytime in a civil manner. My cat who is 3 years old has been on no less that 8 different food brands. If nothing else she will have had a variety and hopefully won't be a fussy eater. She is now on Science Diet and doing rather well on it. One indication is the stool volume has decreased dramatically which means most of the food is being digested. Now I know you feed raw. I've asked this question before and no one has stepped up to the plate to provide an answer so I will ask you directly: How do you ensure your cats get all the nutrients in the minimum amounts as suggested by the AAFCO standards? How do you ensure a delicate and important issue like the Calcium:Phosphorus ratio is correct or at least somewhat in the appropriate area for each batch you prepare? -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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"Yngver" wrote in message ... Mary" wrote: Also, I must say, my 20-year-old stray, fed SD dry exclusively from age 4 on, had ALL of her teeth when she died. Her daughter who died at 19 and was fed mostly wet Friskies type food had lost most of her teeth. There may or may not be a correlation. The only specific foods demonstrated to benefit dental health are some of the new dental diets approved as such, but those weren't around twenty years ago. No, we have two cats, one mother and one daughter living in very similar environments except one was fed all wet the other all dry. The former lost most of her teeth by age 16 or so. The latter--eating regular SD, which was indeed on the market 15 years ago--ate that from age 4 on up and had ALL of her teeth. These cats were very genetically similar, they were mother and daughter. Of course there was a correlation. |
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"Yngver" wrote in message ... Mary" wrote: Also, I must say, my 20-year-old stray, fed SD dry exclusively from age 4 on, had ALL of her teeth when she died. Her daughter who died at 19 and was fed mostly wet Friskies type food had lost most of her teeth. There may or may not be a correlation. The only specific foods demonstrated to benefit dental health are some of the new dental diets approved as such, but those weren't around twenty years ago. No, we have two cats, one mother and one daughter living in very similar environments except one was fed all wet the other all dry. The former lost most of her teeth by age 16 or so. The latter--eating regular SD, which was indeed on the market 15 years ago--ate that from age 4 on up and had ALL of her teeth. These cats were very genetically similar, they were mother and daughter. Of course there was a correlation. |
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From: Joe Canuck
PawsForThought wrote: From: Joe Canuck And if you haven't figured it out already, Science Diet does the same thing. So what's your point? Not quite, at least not in my own experience. I've dealt with Nutro, Science Diet and Iams/Eukanuba reps. They were all pleasant people to talk with and all seemed genuinely enthusiastic about their products. Not once did I hear any of them bash another companies product, instead they each promoted their own. It makes more sense to promote and talk about their own products that it does to spend the time bashing other companies products. I didn't say anything about bashing another company. I replied to a post where the person said Nutro reps will tell you anything to get you to buy their food. I said Science Diet does the same thing, which IME they do. I didn't say they bash another company. I said they will tell you anything to sell their product that they think you want to hear to buy their food. But, "...tell you anything..." can include bad-mouthing other companies products if that is what it takes to sell the food. Yes, I suppose that's true. With two exceptions, no representative of any pet food company has ever tried to hard sell me their products or "...tell me anything..." to get me to purchase their products. If I heard something from a rep that I thought wasn't quite right, I would be the first one to follow up with the company for clarification. The companies public reputation is at stake in these situations since the rep is essentially acting as a spokesperson for the company. Just as a companies reputation is at stake based on what is said at its website. I've been in a store, I think it was a Petco, but can't remember for sure. Anyway, there was a rep from a petfood company who really was trying to sell me their food was the best. When I would bring up certain points, he told me things I knew weren't true. BTW, one exception was an overly exuberant store owner who wanted to sell me one of every food item in her store. Fortunately I escaped with my wallet intact and only 1 bag of California Natural that I was feeding my cat at the time. LOL, good for you The other exception was a clerk in a store wanting to sell me a bag of Science Diet that was past the expiry date, insisting that it was still good. I had two problems with this... the first being the bag was not very fresh and the other being that the bag, which was looking very long on the tooth, was sitting on the floor by the door when I entered the store. Perhaps it had been used as a door stop. I suggested they keep using it as a door stop. :-) I hope they didn't sell it to anyone else. Food past its date can surely make a cat sick. I think I have said this before but we all need to pick products, including food, that suits our own needs and that we are comfortable with. I'm willing to discuss the merits or downside of foods anytime in a civil manner. My cat who is 3 years old has been on no less that 8 different food brands. If nothing else she will have had a variety and hopefully won't be a fussy eater. She is now on Science Diet and doing rather well on it. One indication is the stool volume has decreased dramatically which means most of the food is being digested. I'm glad you found a food that works for your cat. I know it's not always easy to do. I think it is a good idea to feed a variety of food, especially in case the food or flavor stops being available. Unfortunately my experience with SD was a lot different. Now I know you feed raw. I've asked this question before and no one has stepped up to the plate to provide an answer so I will ask you directly: How do you ensure your cats get all the nutrients in the minimum amounts as suggested by the AAFCO standards? How do you ensure a delicate and important issue like the Calcium:Phosphorus ratio is correct or at least somewhat in the appropriate area for each batch you prepare? I originally got the diet I feed my cats from my vet, who did have the diet analyzed. I also feed another variation of the diet which has been fed to cats for almost 30 years, with wonderful effects. Since feeding a raw diet, I have had my cats' checked out every 6 months with a full blood panel. I'd never fed a homemade diet before and wanted to make sure all was well. Their blood test results have always come back with all numbers well within range. I always tell people who are interested in a homemade raw diet to do their research well. It's more involved than just throwing down a piece of meat. But it's not rocket science either. Lauren -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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PawsForThought wrote:
From: Joe Canuck PawsForThought wrote: From: Joe Canuck And if you haven't figured it out already, Science Diet does the same thing. So what's your point? Not quite, at least not in my own experience. I've dealt with Nutro, Science Diet and Iams/Eukanuba reps. They were all pleasant people to talk with and all seemed genuinely enthusiastic about their products. Not once did I hear any of them bash another companies product, instead they each promoted their own. It makes more sense to promote and talk about their own products that it does to spend the time bashing other companies products. I didn't say anything about bashing another company. I replied to a post where the person said Nutro reps will tell you anything to get you to buy their food. I said Science Diet does the same thing, which IME they do. I didn't say they bash another company. I said they will tell you anything to sell their product that they think you want to hear to buy their food. But, "...tell you anything..." can include bad-mouthing other companies products if that is what it takes to sell the food. Yes, I suppose that's true. With two exceptions, no representative of any pet food company has ever tried to hard sell me their products or "...tell me anything..." to get me to purchase their products. If I heard something from a rep that I thought wasn't quite right, I would be the first one to follow up with the company for clarification. The companies public reputation is at stake in these situations since the rep is essentially acting as a spokesperson for the company. Just as a companies reputation is at stake based on what is said at its website. I've been in a store, I think it was a Petco, but can't remember for sure. Anyway, there was a rep from a petfood company who really was trying to sell me their food was the best. When I would bring up certain points, he told me things I knew weren't true. BTW, one exception was an overly exuberant store owner who wanted to sell me one of every food item in her store. Fortunately I escaped with my wallet intact and only 1 bag of California Natural that I was feeding my cat at the time. LOL, good for you The other exception was a clerk in a store wanting to sell me a bag of Science Diet that was past the expiry date, insisting that it was still good. I had two problems with this... the first being the bag was not very fresh and the other being that the bag, which was looking very long on the tooth, was sitting on the floor by the door when I entered the store. Perhaps it had been used as a door stop. I suggested they keep using it as a door stop. :-) I hope they didn't sell it to anyone else. Food past its date can surely make a cat sick. I think I have said this before but we all need to pick products, including food, that suits our own needs and that we are comfortable with. I'm willing to discuss the merits or downside of foods anytime in a civil manner. My cat who is 3 years old has been on no less that 8 different food brands. If nothing else she will have had a variety and hopefully won't be a fussy eater. She is now on Science Diet and doing rather well on it. One indication is the stool volume has decreased dramatically which means most of the food is being digested. I'm glad you found a food that works for your cat. I know it's not always easy to do. I think it is a good idea to feed a variety of food, especially in case the food or flavor stops being available. Unfortunately my experience with SD was a lot different. Unfortunately SD is the best of what I have been able to find in my area so far... short of mail ordering. There is Walthams, but I have little experience with that food. From there the selection here slides downhill to basically the grocery store type brands. Mail ordering just doesn't make sense here considering it costs $15.00 to ship a $20.00 bag of food. Yikes! I was quite concerned for a while about the situation, particulary given my cats reaction to the SD Adult Turkey wet which just didn't go down well at the time. She is on the SD dry formula now and all is well. I may try the wet again, but I am very apprehensive about that given the results the last time. I really don't want to see her go through that grief again. I just knew something uncomfortable was going on inside her... I had that confirmed when she ran to the litter box and basically "exploded" a few times. Argh! She has been on kibble since weaning off mother's milk, so perhaps she may just be one of those kibble only cats. She loves the canned and I know over the long run it is likely better, but both she and I hate what happens as a result of it. Now I know you feed raw. I've asked this question before and no one has stepped up to the plate to provide an answer so I will ask you directly: How do you ensure your cats get all the nutrients in the minimum amounts as suggested by the AAFCO standards? How do you ensure a delicate and important issue like the Calcium:Phosphorus ratio is correct or at least somewhat in the appropriate area for each batch you prepare? I originally got the diet I feed my cats from my vet, who did have the diet analyzed. I also feed another variation of the diet which has been fed to cats for almost 30 years, with wonderful effects. Since feeding a raw diet, I have had my cats' checked out every 6 months with a full blood panel. I'd never fed a homemade diet before and wanted to make sure all was well. Their blood test results have always come back with all numbers well within range. I always tell people who are interested in a homemade raw diet to do their research well. It's more involved than just throwing down a piece of meat. But it's not rocket science either. Okay, thank you for that. I suppose that is the one best way to ensure everything is going well, check the end results. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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PawsForThought wrote:
From: Joe Canuck PawsForThought wrote: From: Joe Canuck And if you haven't figured it out already, Science Diet does the same thing. So what's your point? Not quite, at least not in my own experience. I've dealt with Nutro, Science Diet and Iams/Eukanuba reps. They were all pleasant people to talk with and all seemed genuinely enthusiastic about their products. Not once did I hear any of them bash another companies product, instead they each promoted their own. It makes more sense to promote and talk about their own products that it does to spend the time bashing other companies products. I didn't say anything about bashing another company. I replied to a post where the person said Nutro reps will tell you anything to get you to buy their food. I said Science Diet does the same thing, which IME they do. I didn't say they bash another company. I said they will tell you anything to sell their product that they think you want to hear to buy their food. But, "...tell you anything..." can include bad-mouthing other companies products if that is what it takes to sell the food. Yes, I suppose that's true. With two exceptions, no representative of any pet food company has ever tried to hard sell me their products or "...tell me anything..." to get me to purchase their products. If I heard something from a rep that I thought wasn't quite right, I would be the first one to follow up with the company for clarification. The companies public reputation is at stake in these situations since the rep is essentially acting as a spokesperson for the company. Just as a companies reputation is at stake based on what is said at its website. I've been in a store, I think it was a Petco, but can't remember for sure. Anyway, there was a rep from a petfood company who really was trying to sell me their food was the best. When I would bring up certain points, he told me things I knew weren't true. BTW, one exception was an overly exuberant store owner who wanted to sell me one of every food item in her store. Fortunately I escaped with my wallet intact and only 1 bag of California Natural that I was feeding my cat at the time. LOL, good for you The other exception was a clerk in a store wanting to sell me a bag of Science Diet that was past the expiry date, insisting that it was still good. I had two problems with this... the first being the bag was not very fresh and the other being that the bag, which was looking very long on the tooth, was sitting on the floor by the door when I entered the store. Perhaps it had been used as a door stop. I suggested they keep using it as a door stop. :-) I hope they didn't sell it to anyone else. Food past its date can surely make a cat sick. I think I have said this before but we all need to pick products, including food, that suits our own needs and that we are comfortable with. I'm willing to discuss the merits or downside of foods anytime in a civil manner. My cat who is 3 years old has been on no less that 8 different food brands. If nothing else she will have had a variety and hopefully won't be a fussy eater. She is now on Science Diet and doing rather well on it. One indication is the stool volume has decreased dramatically which means most of the food is being digested. I'm glad you found a food that works for your cat. I know it's not always easy to do. I think it is a good idea to feed a variety of food, especially in case the food or flavor stops being available. Unfortunately my experience with SD was a lot different. Unfortunately SD is the best of what I have been able to find in my area so far... short of mail ordering. There is Walthams, but I have little experience with that food. From there the selection here slides downhill to basically the grocery store type brands. Mail ordering just doesn't make sense here considering it costs $15.00 to ship a $20.00 bag of food. Yikes! I was quite concerned for a while about the situation, particulary given my cats reaction to the SD Adult Turkey wet which just didn't go down well at the time. She is on the SD dry formula now and all is well. I may try the wet again, but I am very apprehensive about that given the results the last time. I really don't want to see her go through that grief again. I just knew something uncomfortable was going on inside her... I had that confirmed when she ran to the litter box and basically "exploded" a few times. Argh! She has been on kibble since weaning off mother's milk, so perhaps she may just be one of those kibble only cats. She loves the canned and I know over the long run it is likely better, but both she and I hate what happens as a result of it. Now I know you feed raw. I've asked this question before and no one has stepped up to the plate to provide an answer so I will ask you directly: How do you ensure your cats get all the nutrients in the minimum amounts as suggested by the AAFCO standards? How do you ensure a delicate and important issue like the Calcium:Phosphorus ratio is correct or at least somewhat in the appropriate area for each batch you prepare? I originally got the diet I feed my cats from my vet, who did have the diet analyzed. I also feed another variation of the diet which has been fed to cats for almost 30 years, with wonderful effects. Since feeding a raw diet, I have had my cats' checked out every 6 months with a full blood panel. I'd never fed a homemade diet before and wanted to make sure all was well. Their blood test results have always come back with all numbers well within range. I always tell people who are interested in a homemade raw diet to do their research well. It's more involved than just throwing down a piece of meat. But it's not rocket science either. Okay, thank you for that. I suppose that is the one best way to ensure everything is going well, check the end results. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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