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"Mary" wrote in message . com...
"Yngver" wrote in message ... "Mary" wrote: You have never had one, yet you refuse to believe what those who have them say about them. I find that a little strange. First off, I have a friend who has one and I've certainly been around Ragdolls at cat shows--enough to know what they are like. Secondly, the type of silly myth I'm talking about is the story that Ragdolls can't feel pain, for example. I'm sure you don't believe that, do you? Or that they are hypo-allergenic. Or that they are completely unable to defend themselves. No, you were not only talking about that. For every characteristic Soozy brought up, your answer was "big deal, lots of cats do this," or "not all Ragdolls do this." It is a recognized breed. So what? What does that mean? Not all ragdolls exhibit the behaviors you describe, so I guess it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot, does it? Just because you don't happen to like these characteristics, or this breed does not mean that they are not wonderful cats. Just like "L"'s rude comment about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have and love Ragdolls. Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the wondercats, IME, the ones I have met *are* stupid - they are a cat that would sit there and let itself be mauled, rather than defend itself. Not exactly survival of the fittest, IYKWIM... My anecdotal generalization and your anecdotal generalizations aren't much different from each other, other than the fact that yours are pro-ragdoll, and mine are not. Furthermore, the "traits" you claim are unique to ragdolls - that they supposedly have been bred for - certainly are not. There are many moggies, Persians, Egyptian Maus, Scottish folds, etc., etc., that exhibit the same characteristics. Someone who wants a docile, limp-going, mellow cat can walk into any shelter in the US, pick up kittens one at a time turn them over on their backs and assess them for these traits. There is no need to pay hundreds of dollars for something that is not unique. Unless, of course, you happen to like the look, but then again, the look is rather color-pointed moggie-like, in many regards. Again, not something you cannot find in a shelter. The point is, the organization in the UK cited in the article tried to prove that the ragdoll breed was unique in some *tangible* way. They could not. The ragdoll myth is just that - a myth. Like it or not, you've bought into the myth and have been duped. The woman who orginally bred the cats was a nutcase: "As time went on, Ann Baker’s statements and claims about the breed became strange, supernatural - and - very hard to believe. She publicized statements outlining how Ragdoll cats have human genes in them, that they are immune to pain & that they represent a link between us and space aliens." She set up her own registery club, in order to "control" the breeding and to be self-promoting: "In 1971, Baker created her own cat registry & association known as IRCA (International Ragdoll Cat Association). Since then, she has been in bitter debate about how only her Ragdolls are legitimate and the rest are fake. In December 1975 Ann Baker had the name "Ragdoll" patented for the first time. The patent is valid until the year 2005, and allows only IRCA breeders to use the name." Sources: http://www.ragdoll-cats.com/history.htm Not a whole lot of credibility... Like they say, "There is a sucker born every minute." -L. |
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"-L." Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the wondercats, IME, the ones I have met *are* stupid - they are a cat that would sit there and let itself be mauled, rather than defend itself. Not exactly survival of the fittest, IYKWIM... Okay, sunshine, get with the program, will you? *I* never claimed anything about Ragdolls. Others who have them have had a lot to say about them, as we all have a lot to say about our cats here. My anecdotal generalization and your anecdotal generalizations aren't much different from each other, other than the fact that yours are pro-ragdoll, and mine are not. I am pro- "all kinds of cats." Furthermore, the "traits" you claim are unique to ragdolls - that they supposedly have been bred for - certainly are not. There are many moggies, Persians, Egyptian Maus, Scottish folds, etc., etc., that exhibit the same characteristics. Someone who wants a docile, limp-going, mellow cat can walk into any shelter in the US, pick up kittens one at a time turn them over on their backs and assess them for these traits. There is no need to pay hundreds of dollars for something that is not unique. Unless, of course, you happen to like the look, but then again, the look is rather color-pointed moggie-like, in many regards. Again, not something you cannot find in a shelter. The point is, the organization in the UK cited in the article tried to prove that the ragdoll breed was unique in some *tangible* way. They could not. The ragdoll myth is just that - a myth. Like it or not, you've bought into the myth and have been duped. The woman who orginally bred the cats was a nutcase: Yes, well, I feel certain that you are ugly and that your mother dressed you funny when you were a child. Now that I have reduced the discourse to your level I'm sure you feel better. Now pop on over to rec.pets.dogs.health+behav and trash whatever breed you find "dumb as a rock." It's the weekend. Might as well live a little. |
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"-L." Just as you claim ragdolls are docile, "go limp" and are the wondercats, IME, the ones I have met *are* stupid - they are a cat that would sit there and let itself be mauled, rather than defend itself. Not exactly survival of the fittest, IYKWIM... Okay, sunshine, get with the program, will you? *I* never claimed anything about Ragdolls. Others who have them have had a lot to say about them, as we all have a lot to say about our cats here. My anecdotal generalization and your anecdotal generalizations aren't much different from each other, other than the fact that yours are pro-ragdoll, and mine are not. I am pro- "all kinds of cats." Furthermore, the "traits" you claim are unique to ragdolls - that they supposedly have been bred for - certainly are not. There are many moggies, Persians, Egyptian Maus, Scottish folds, etc., etc., that exhibit the same characteristics. Someone who wants a docile, limp-going, mellow cat can walk into any shelter in the US, pick up kittens one at a time turn them over on their backs and assess them for these traits. There is no need to pay hundreds of dollars for something that is not unique. Unless, of course, you happen to like the look, but then again, the look is rather color-pointed moggie-like, in many regards. Again, not something you cannot find in a shelter. The point is, the organization in the UK cited in the article tried to prove that the ragdoll breed was unique in some *tangible* way. They could not. The ragdoll myth is just that - a myth. Like it or not, you've bought into the myth and have been duped. The woman who orginally bred the cats was a nutcase: Yes, well, I feel certain that you are ugly and that your mother dressed you funny when you were a child. Now that I have reduced the discourse to your level I'm sure you feel better. Now pop on over to rec.pets.dogs.health+behav and trash whatever breed you find "dumb as a rock." It's the weekend. Might as well live a little. |
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My Georgie looked like that. He was one of two kittens we kept from a litter when I was about 11. He was the BEST cat! Oh no he wasn't. He sucked. |
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My Georgie looked like that. He was one of two kittens we kept from a litter when I was about 11. He was the BEST cat! Oh no he wasn't. He sucked. |
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"Mary" wrote in message om... I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming cut Mary did you see the pictures of Bebe my skinny tabby moggie, she is half Ragdoll believe it or not LOL she had 6 kittens, 4 Ragdoll look-a-likes and one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are beautiful 8 weeks old tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll. -- Luv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoors http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk |
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"Mary" wrote in message om... I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming cut Mary did you see the pictures of Bebe my skinny tabby moggie, she is half Ragdoll believe it or not LOL she had 6 kittens, 4 Ragdoll look-a-likes and one pure grey and one tabby grey, they all are beautiful 8 weeks old tomorrow. She was bred with a pure Ragdoll. -- Luv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* http://community.webshots.com/user/ragmoors http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk |
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"Yngver" wrote in message ... "Mary" wrote: No, you were not only talking about that. Sorry you misunderstood that point, but yes indeed, those were the silly myths I was referring to. For every characteristic Soozy brought up, your answer was "big deal, lots of cats do this," Well, your paraphrase puts a different tone on it. But yes, those traits are not unique to Ragdolls. or "not all Ragdolls do this." I don't recall that, but my point remains that most of those traits can be possessed by all sorts of cats. To think such traits are only found in Ragdolls is incorrect. It is a recognized breed. That's true, but most of those traits named were not specific breed characteristics. Just because you don't happen to like these characteristics, I didn't say that. In fact, I never said I don't like Ragdolls. or this breed does not mean that they are not wonderful cats. Never said they aren't, but I think to try to perpetuate such myths about them is silly. If it's such a wonderful breed, what's the point of dreaming up nonsense to try to distinguish them from other breeds? The cats should be appreciated for what they really are. Just like "L"'s rude comment about them being stupid, your post displayed ignorance and prejudice more than anything else. Unnecessarily antagonistic to those who have and love Ragdolls. Whatever. IMO it's a bit ignorant to fall for absurb myths and tales. Ragdolls and other breeds of cats are fine animals without the exaggerations and false claims. I prefer skinny, wiry, active and vocal little tabby cat mutts around my house, but that doesn't mean Ragdolls are not perfectly charming and certainly does not mean that they are not a recognized breed with a set of known characteristics. Yes, but those named were not their genuine characteristics. They appear to be perfect for small children, for example, because they can be dragged around and dressed up in doll clothes without removing any of the child's skin. If small children need to maul cats without being scratched, they should be given stuffed animals. No cat should be mistreated, even those who are willing to suffer in silence. I have a daughter of nearly 5 my Ragdolls keep well away from her, they don't like her rushing about. She is allowed to sit and stroke them but only if they come to her. |
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