Name that bobcat: Sanctuary seeks name for blind bobcat

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Christina Websell wrote:

I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals,
aren't they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in
captivity just because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed

I suspect you don't have so many wild predators in the UK - here there
are quite a few sanctuaries for them. A sanctuary is not exactly
"captivity", and blind, deaf, and handicapped animals often do quite
well in them, where they are protected but allowed to roam free over a
fairly large area. (Of course, some end up there because people WILL
"adopt" them in states where it is not yet illegal, then discover that
cute, cuddly little critter grows into a not so cuddly and possibly
dangerous adult, but others have no place to go when human civilization
invades and destroys their habitat.) At the rate we're going, someday
the only place we may ever encounter them may be in the various wild
animal "parks".


Here's an example: We have a wild life sanctuary a few miles from my
home. The sanctuary has approximately 600 acres, and all animals are
free to roam within that area. In this case, they are all hooved
animals--no predators because predators like big cats cannot safely be
left with the types of animals in this sanctuary. In addition to the
"expected" rescue animals from the U.S., it is home to large numbers of
endangered animals from around the world. I have been to some big cat
sanctuaries. For obvious reasons, many species are separated (unlike
my first example), but they still have large amounts of space in which
to roam.

Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB,
FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.

Than you should not even comment than at all

I think I should.

No you should not Get some first hand experience than comment

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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can do.
He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls" up and
down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does that without
ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the pictures I posted of
Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of the Christmas tree
(again, without breaking anything)? I thought when I first got him that I
would have to be careful not to move anything, but that has not been true
at all. If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it five minutes
later. He can chase Holly to any location and will sometimes go around
one side of a chair while she goes the other way so he can "head her off."
I have had many visitors who did not even know he is blind until I told
them. He is an *active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a blind cat
would have virtually no chance of survival in the wild (just as Duffy
would have no chance if I just turned him outside), but a well-run
sanctuary is an entirely different matter.

There is a huge difference between a domestic blind cat and a wild one.

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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can
do. He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls" up
and down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does that
without ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the pictures I
posted of Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of the Christmas
tree (again, without breaking anything)? I thought when I first got him
that I would have to be careful not to move anything, but that has not
been true at all. If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it five
minutes later. He can chase Holly to any location and will sometimes go
around one side of a chair while she goes the other way so he can "head
her off." I have had many visitors who did not even know he is blind
until I told them. He is an *active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a
blind cat would have virtually no chance of survival in the wild (just as
Duffy would have no chance if I just turned him outside), but a well-run
sanctuary is an entirely different matter.

MaryL


Exactly
Have I missed something? Is (or was) that bobcat wild, or not?

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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can
do. He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls"
up and down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does that
without ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the pictures I
posted of Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of the Christmas
tree (again, without breaking anything)? I thought when I first got him
that I would have to be careful not to move anything, but that has not
been true at all. If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it five
minutes later. He can chase Holly to any location and will sometimes go
around one side of a chair while she goes the other way so he can "head
her off." I have had many visitors who did not even know he is blind
until I told them. He is an *active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a
blind cat would have virtually no chance of survival in the wild (just
as Duffy would have no chance if I just turned him outside), but a
well-run sanctuary is an entirely different matter.

MaryL


Exactly
Have I missed something? Is (or was) that bobcat wild, or not?

Again You should have some first hand experience dealing with these
beautiful creatures

Christina Websell wrote:
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Christina Websell wrote:
I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals, aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed

I suspect you don't have so many wild predators in the UK - here there
are quite a few sanctuaries for them. A sanctuary is not exactly
"captivity", and blind, deaf, and handicapped animals often do quite
well in them, where they are protected but allowed to roam free over a
fairly large area. (Of course, some end up there because people WILL
"adopt" them in states where it is not yet illegal, then discover that
cute, cuddly little critter grows into a not so cuddly and possibly
dangerous adult, but others have no place to go when human civilization
invades and destroys their habitat.) At the rate we're going, someday
the only place we may ever encounter them may be in the various wild
animal "parks".


Here's an example: We have a wild life sanctuary a few miles from my
home. The sanctuary has approximately 600 acres, and all animals are free
to roam within that area. In this case, they are all hooved animals--no
predators because predators like big cats cannot safely be left with the
types of animals in this sanctuary. In addition to the "expected" rescue
animals from the U.S., it is home to large numbers of endangered animals
from around the world. I have been to some big cat sanctuaries. For
obvious reasons, many species are separated (unlike my first example), but
they still have large amounts of space in which to roam.

Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.

Do you advocate putting down blind humans, too? Many people have blind
(or deaf) companion animals, who seem to adapt just fine to their
limitations. Some are born that way, some have sustained injuries, and
some are just OLD. (If they enjoy their lives - because they accept
life as it is for them - why should they not be allowed to live?)

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"MaryL" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can do.
He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls" up and
down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does that without
ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the pictures I posted of
Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of the Christmas tree
(again, without breaking anything)? I thought when I first got him that I
would have to be careful not to move anything, but that has not been true
at all. If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it five minutes
later. He can chase Holly to any location and will sometimes go around
one side of a chair while she goes the other way so he can "head her off."
I have had many visitors who did not even know he is blind until I told
them. He is an *active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a blind cat
would have virtually no chance of survival in the wild (just as Duffy
would have no chance if I just turned him outside), but a well-run
sanctuary is an entirely different matter.

There is a huge difference between a domestic blind cat and a wild one.




Granted. There are major differences between domestic cat and wild cats,
regardless of whether they are sighted or blind. My point was that
cats--domestic or wild--can certainly learn to find their way around
("roam"), and a good sanctuary will provide enough protected space that a
wild cat should be able to adjust in the same way that a blind domestic cat
adjusts.

MaryL

Christina Websell wrote:
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, but it will NOT be in a "cage" it will be in an outdoor
enclosure, of probably close to an acre in size, with hidey-holes
(shelter and lairs/dens) and climbey-things (perches, trees, and
lookouts), probably some toys to alleviate boredom, with little (or no)
contact with humans. Humans will provide the food & sanitation (gotta
scoop the poop), maintenance on the enclosure itself (to ensure not
only the safety of those that live inside the enclosure, but to keep
neighboring people and wildlife safe as well), and any necessary
veterinary care. Otherwise, it will probably be left to it's own
devices to live protected from other predators, starvation and parasites.


But it cannot see all these nice things and it is a wild cat and now blind
It can only be in prison now.

But it can smell and hear (and employ all the other senses - including
the "sixth" sense that all cats, big and small, seem to possess).
















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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can
do. He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls"
up and down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does
that without ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the
pictures I posted of Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of
the Christmas tree (again, without breaking anything)? I thought when
I first got him that I would have to be careful not to move anything,
but that has not been true at all. If I move a chair, I will find him
sitting on it five minutes later. He can chase Holly to any location
and will sometimes go around one side of a chair while she goes the
other way so he can "head her off." I have had many visitors who did
not even know he is blind until I told them. He is an *active* and
*happy* cat. It's true that a blind cat would have virtually no chance
of survival in the wild (just as Duffy would have no chance if I just
turned him outside), but a well-run sanctuary is an entirely different
matter.

MaryL


Exactly
Have I missed something? Is (or was) that bobcat wild, or not?

Again You should have some first hand experience dealing with these
beautiful creatures

And you do?

As I said, we get wild things back to the wild eventually or let them go to
RB if there is no chance of it. That's what we do here.
Maybe you should do it.
Last post on this subject.

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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because people WILL
"adopt" them in states where it is not yet illegal, then discover that
cute, cuddly little critter grows into a not so cuddly and possibly
dangerous adult, but others have no place to go when human civilization
invades and destroys their habitat.) At the rate we're going, someday
the only place we may ever encounter them may be in the various wild
animal "parks".


Here's an example: We have a wild life sanctuary a few miles from my
home. The sanctuary has approximately 600 acres, and all animals are
free to roam within that area. In this case, they are all hooved
animals--no predators because predators like big cats cannot safely be
left with the types of animals in this sanctuary. In addition to the
"expected" rescue animals from the U.S., it is home to large numbers of
endangered animals from around the world. I have been to some big cat
sanctuaries. For obvious reasons, many species are separated (unlike my
first example), but they still have large amounts of space in which to
roam.

Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB,
FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea

Do you advocate putting down blind humans, too? Many people have blind
(or deaf) companion animals, who seem to adapt just fine to their
limitations. Some are born that way, some have sustained injuries, and
some are just OLD. (If they enjoy their lives - because they accept life
as it is for them - why should they not be allowed to live?)

You know very well that it is not the same at all and you are a norty girl.

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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a
sanctuary. Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any
sighted cat can do. He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he
rapidly "swirls" up and down on cat trees and anything "climbable."
He somehow does that without ever breaking anything. Have you ever
looked at the pictures I posted of Duffy sitting out on the very end
of branches of the Christmas tree (again, without breaking anything)?
I thought when I first got him that I would have to be careful not to
move anything, but that has not been true at all. If I move a chair, I
will find him sitting on it five minutes later. He can chase Holly to
any location and will sometimes go around one side of a chair while
she goes the other way so he can "head her off." I have had many
visitors who did not even know he is blind until I told them. He is
an *active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a blind cat would have
virtually no chance of survival in the wild (just as Duffy would have
no chance if I just turned him outside), but a well-run sanctuary is
an entirely different matter.

MaryL


Exactly
Have I missed something? Is (or was) that bobcat wild, or not?

Again You should have some first hand experience dealing with these
beautiful creatures

And you do?

As I said, we get wild things back to the wild eventually or let them go
to RB if there is no chance of it. That's what we do here.
Maybe you should do it.
Last post on this subject.



HELL NO that is the most idiotic response I have seen. Ps that is not
what they do there check your local sanctuaries As I said you need to get
first hand experience till than that foot is going deeper down your throat
that you put in your mouth